How Does K&C Decide on Cost??? (2 Viewers)

I think we should have some sort of scale a "Heavyometer" that the moderators can put up to warn us that we are about to enter a "Heavy Thread" You know like a bad vibes warning. Then us peaceful Hippie dudes would know not to enter and mess up our cosmic grooves. You know what I mean like.....
Chill bro
Peace and Love
 
Dude,

I am picking up some very mellow vibes from you my brother. We should hang and do some cool stuff, if you get my drift l'il bro. It could be really heavy to hang out with a cat like you.
 
Thats much better Daddio
No like negativity draggin you down
 
Yowza, we need some good vibes goin' to all these cats here. Just ain't enough.
 
Did anyone else leave school with a qualification in woodwork, or is it just me?
Simon

I've got an "O-Level" in Metalwork Simon. Took 2 years at Clydebank Tech College to pass it.
BTW, at the time of the controversy, several people asked me if I was "Adolf from Austria" and also "Old (W)Tanker".....Not guilty....I bit back as much as anyone else. In common with CS, I strongly suspect now that I know exactly who both those characters were. :D:D
 
Well, Canadian Samarai, I'll give you kudos for a thoughtful response. I always respect an intellectually-based argument.

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Darn, you’ve got me pegged

Regards your appellation, I never said you were actually a Samarai. But you have to admit it does carry a different connotation than say, "Canadian Butterfly". Obviously it would be silly to read too much into the nicknames here. But you'll note the mine is pretty generic, and that was on purpose (it does have meaning to me)

but some do invest in them, and that's their choice to make

Indeed it is. Andy bears NO responsibility for those that choose to do so. He presents his products as toys, not investments. The only exception might be the "Limited Edition" sets, which are presented as having limited production runs, and thus a (presumed) after sale higher value. Nevertheless, "caveat emptor" still applies.

vast majority of the consuming populace for whom $100 is a lot of money to throw around lightly, not investors or lenders who already have plenty of money to spare on dubious investments like the housing bubble.

Im not sure what the point is of this. SMART investors or lenders do not waste money on "dubious investments", no matter how "plenty" of it they may have. The best ways treat every dime as its their only one. (PS: The housing "bubble" was mostly about speculation, not investing. The two concepts are quite different.)

the heads of companies listen directly to what you say rather than isolating themselves in ivory towers shielded by automated call-answering defences

Hmmm, I admire your idealism, I suppose. But have you really thought it through? With small companies, where the CEO is also chief promoter/salesperson, it MAY make sense. Most toy soldier companies are small, relatively speaking. However, do you think the head of Coca-Cola, Ford, Microsoft or GE would benefit from taking thousands of emails, phone calls and letters A DAY from customers? In fact with medium and larger companies, there are whole departments that do this. They are typically referred to as the "marketing department". :) They have responsibility for sifting through sales data, customer comments, market research, public opinion, etc. Then, through their prism, the CEO then makes the important decisions. Have you ever worked in the headquarters of a larger-sized company. I have.

I think K&C products are an excellent value for the money.

I am sure Andy would be delighted to hear this. It is not said enough -- except maybe via the sound of ringing cash registers...:D

overall I really don’t see a major problem in discussing the merits of a company’s pricing strategy, and Andy didn’t seem to mind either.

Andy was polite, as ususl. For that I commend him. But neither you nor I KNOW whether he minded. General discussions about pricing in the marketplace is done all the time. But HOW a company determines prices, I dont see many of those, frankly.

Therefore for a price-elastic, luxury good (certainly toy soldiers qualify here), consumers have as much role in setting prices as a business does and therefore they have the right to question and make judgments about prices wherever and whenever they choose. By trying to suppress the demand side of the business equation

Each of us "judges" the worthiness of a good every time we make a purchase via our "utility curve" (Just to throw in my own little economic theory reference). And yes, COLLECTIVELY, the market does drive prices, at least for non-essential items (like toy soldiers). But it was more the tone of the question that drove me to post for the first time. I found it rather accusatory in nature, and as I said, I was frankly a bit tired of hearing the moaning and griping about things that are really none of our business.

Now as to why Andy decided to respond personally, only he knows that. But I would submit it may have been at least PARTLY because of the insinuation in the question that there was something "predatory" or "unfair" in the price points. So he chose to defend himself and his business.

Discussions on this board about pricing are certainly fair game. But raising doubts about the “fairness” or justification for a manufacturer’s prices is, to me, beyond the pale. Ask yourself: Do you ever question your doctor, dentist, accountant, or lawyer as to HOW they determine what they charge. Of course they will all tell you what their hourly rate is, and how much time you require. But not HOW they determined the rate. If you ever did, they would probably respond “based on prevailing market rates, and our position in the market” or something like it. If you challenged them further, I doubt it would enhance the relationship.

Attempting to stifle dissent only makes it stronger.

There, you see, even you admit it – the original question was “dissenting”! Questioning how K&C prices compare to the competition is fine. Making insinuations about pricing practices, that is over the top -- IMO!

I would argue that top-down, “producer knows best” mass production is an anachronistic relic of the 20th century, slowly being usurped in the new internet/e-commerce age by product conceptualization and personalized consumption that is driven first and foremost by the preferences of consumers.

Of course every business has to make customers priority #1. Especially in the “global-ized” economy. Competition now comes from every corner of the world. Only a fool would argue otherwise. But I do not think it means that every business must now subject itself to the whims and comments of their more vocal or outspoken customers, whether or not they chose the internet as their method of communication.

Before the internet, there were letters and phones. So customer feedback is by no means new. What is different, I think, is that it has made the world so much smaller. Now, some feel they have the right to “get into” other people's “business”, kind of like a reality show, or a “live cam” run amuck.


Clearly CS, you see the internet as a tool for allowing the masses/people/customers to virtually “run” companies. I do not. In fact sometimes I think it permits “over-communication”. This is the symptom that I was drawing attention to initially. That, and the practice of making insinuations about a company’s business practices that, are to such a degree, that the company feels compelled to defend itself.

‘nuff said…. ?
 
'Nuff said. I appreciate your perspective. Thank you.

I agree, I am very much an idealist on this and many subjects. I guess my idealism concerning the power of the internet to bring together producers and consumers in the economy comes from having written an academic journal article on this subject. I have to defend my thesis after all.:D
 
Well, Canadian Samarai, I'll give you kudos for a thoughtful response. I always respect an intellectually-based argument.



Regards your appellation, I never said you were actually a Samarai. But you have to admit it does carry a different connotation than say, "Canadian Butterfly". Obviously it would be silly to read too much into the nicknames here. But you'll note the mine is pretty generic, and that was on purpose (it does have meaning to me)



Indeed it is. Andy bears NO responsibility for those that choose to do so. He presents his products as toys, not investments. The only exception might be the "Limited Edition" sets, which are presented as having limited production runs, and thus a (presumed) after sale higher value. Nevertheless, "caveat emptor" still applies.



Im not sure what the point is of this. SMART investors or lenders do not waste money on "dubious investments", no matter how "plenty" of it they may have. The best ways treat every dime as its their only one. (PS: The housing "bubble" was mostly about speculation, not investing. The two concepts are quite different.)



Hmmm, I admire your idealism, I suppose. But have you really thought it through? With small companies, where the CEO is also chief promoter/salesperson, it MAY make sense. Most toy soldier companies are small, relatively speaking. However, do you think the head of Coca-Cola, Ford, Microsoft or GE would benefit from taking thousands of emails, phone calls and letters A DAY from customers? In fact with medium and larger companies, there are whole departments that do this. They are typically referred to as the "marketing department". :) They have responsibility for sifting through sales data, customer comments, market research, public opinion, etc. Then, through their prism, the CEO then makes the important decisions. Have you ever worked in the headquarters of a larger-sized company. I have.



I am sure Andy would be delighted to hear this. It is not said enough -- except maybe via the sound of ringing cash registers...:D



Andy was polite, as ususl. For that I commend him. But neither you nor I KNOW whether he minded. General discussions about pricing in the marketplace is done all the time. But HOW a company determines prices, I dont see many of those, frankly.



Each of us "judges" the worthiness of a good every time we make a purchase via our "utility curve" (Just to throw in my own little economic theory reference). And yes, COLLECTIVELY, the market does drive prices, at least for non-essential items (like toy soldiers). But it was more the tone of the question that drove me to post for the first time. I found it rather accusatory in nature, and as I said, I was frankly a bit tired of hearing the moaning and griping about things that are really none of our business.

Now as to why Andy decided to respond personally, only he knows that. But I would submit it may have been at least PARTLY because of the insinuation in the question that there was something "predatory" or "unfair" in the price points. So he chose to defend himself and his business.

Discussions on this board about pricing are certainly fair game. But raising doubts about the “fairness” or justification for a manufacturer’s prices is, to me, beyond the pale. Ask yourself: Do you ever question your doctor, dentist, accountant, or lawyer as to HOW they determine what they charge. Of course they will all tell you what their hourly rate is, and how much time you require. But not HOW they determined the rate. If you ever did, they would probably respond “based on prevailing market rates, and our position in the market” or something like it. If you challenged them further, I doubt it would enhance the relationship.



There, you see, even you admit it – the original question was “dissenting”! Questioning how K&C prices compare to the competition is fine. Making insinuations about pricing practices, that is over the top -- IMO!



Of course every business has to make customers priority #1. Especially in the “global-ized” economy. Competition now comes from every corner of the world. Only a fool would argue otherwise. But I do not think it means that every business must now subject itself to the whims and comments of their more vocal or outspoken customers, whether or not they chose the internet as their method of communication.

Before the internet, there were letters and phones. So customer feedback is by no means new. What is different, I think, is that it has made the world so much smaller. Now, some feel they have the right to “get into” other people's “business”, kind of like a reality show, or a “live cam” run amuck.


Clearly CS, you see the internet as a tool for allowing the masses/people/customers to virtually “run” companies. I do not. In fact sometimes I think it permits “over-communication”. This is the symptom that I was drawing attention to initially. That, and the practice of making insinuations about a company’s business practices that, are to such a degree, that the company feels compelled to defend itself.

‘nuff said…. ?

Is anyone else as DUMBFOONERT as I am by the shear amount of psuedo-intellectual kr@p that this pair exhibit in these posts. Looks to me like its developed into a show-off pi$$ing contest as to who can write words with more than one syllable......:rolleyes::rolleyes::D:eek:
 
Is anyone else as DUMBFOONERT as I am by the shear amount of psuedo-intellectual kr@p that this pair exhibit in these posts. Looks to me like its a show-off pi$$ing contest as to who can write words with more than one syllable......

Gee Harr, seems I mistook you for a good guy. My bad. Simple enough for you? :rolleyes:
 
Gee Harr, seems I mistook you for a good guy. My bad. Simple enough for you? :rolleyes:

Me one of the good guy's??? Hmmm.....you were most evidently mistaken. I'm the Baaaaad Heid. I've even got "Bad To The Bone" by George Thorogood & The Destroyers on my mobile phone as my exclusive ringtone......:eek::eek::D......:):)
 
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Rutledge, if you stay here for a while you'll soon discover that Harry is a vampire that feeds on controversy. Since we're no longer arguing, he's getting thirsty so he's trying rile up the rest of the forum to argue with us so he can swoop down and feed again. ;) If you wanna keep your plasma, ya gotta learn to just ignore him most of the time.
 
Rutledge, if you stay here for a while you'll soon discover that Harry is a vampire that feeds on controversy. Since we're no longer arguing, he's getting thirsty so he's trying rile up the rest of the forum to argue with us so he can swoop down and feed again. ;)

What???? Little innocent me???? You cannot be serious.....:D:D
 
You are wise indeed, young Canadian Samarai. Perhaps there is room for you yet in my band of merry bloggers ;)

As for the vampire Heid, there are plenty of other blogs where controversy is their main meal. Arguing about toy soldiers is really wimpy stuff. Heid should visit the Angry Arab if he really wants a go at some nasty critters....
 
You are wise indeed, young Canadian Samarai. Perhaps there is room for you yet in my band of merry bloggers ;)

As for the vampire Heid, there are plenty of other blogs where controversy is their main meal. Arguing about toy soldiers is really wimpy stuff. Heid should visit the Angry Arab if he really wants a go at some nasty critters....

Yo Rut,
Seeing as I normally get stuck in the Middle East sandboxes when I'm working, making (certain types of) Arabs angry is my mission in life :eek::D:D. Can you give me a link to the site you mention - thanks. :cool:
 
Probably blocked where you are. Be careful in Dubai. Im sure the Homeland Security folks are all over it.

AA is lots of pro-OBL/pro-Saddam/anti-US/anti-the west/ anarachists/shia/sunnis/conspiracy theory nutbags, etc.. Favorite topic is how much they hate Israel (I am not jewish). Makes TT's controversies seem a walk in the park.
 
Probably blocked where you are. Be careful in Dubai. Im sure the Homeland Security folks are all over it.

AA is lots of pro-OBL/pro-Saddam/anti-US/anti-the west/ anarachists/shia/sunnis/conspiracy theory nutbags, etc.. Favorite topic is how much they hate Israel (I am not jewish). Makes TT's controversies seem a walk in the park.

Sounds like fun. :D Especially as although I do have a few Arab friends, I am VERY, VERY anti what you describe AA as standing for. As for the Dubai "Thought Police", what will they do to me??? Kick me out of the UAE.....Oh yes please Ahmed. Seriously though, I do expect that site to also be blocked in the UAE. If I get sent to Yemen as sounds likely, I ought to be able to access it though. We'll see.

BTW, controversies on TT are indeed a walk in the park. And just between you'n'me I do in fact enjoy the majority of CS's posts - just disagree vehemently with some (but not all) of the, hmmmm, points he raises.
As for Lil Ol Me stirring up the pot at times, well, I think if you got to know us, you would find that most Scots indeed do love a bit of verbal.....'specially those who've lived in the Greater Glasgow Area for any given length of time.....Hubble Bubble, Toil and Trouble - and all that stuff :):):cool::cool:
 
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