Impressive New Jagdpanther (7 Viewers)

Gentle Friends,

One of the definitions of the word "stir" is "to provoke." I think it it time to allow the topic to cool. After all, I would not want to throw out the pot ingredients due to excessive stirring.

Neil has a right to his opinion and he has the right to decide not to sell an item for whatever reason he desires. Unless one has a legitimate question of clarification, let's allow the pot to to return to room temperature.

Thanks for your understanding.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat
 
Gentle Friends,

One of the definitions of the word "stir" is "to provoke." I think it it time to allow the topic to cool. After all, I would not want to throw out the pot ingredients due to excessive stirring.

Neil has a right to his opinion and he has the right to decide not to sell an item for whatever reason he desires. Unless one has a legitimate question of clarification, let's allow the pot to to return to room temperature.

Thanks for your understanding.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat

Cheer for that Pat .
 
So I take it you not seen the photos I've already posted then of my tank ? Make me wonder what your game is mate!?

No game Neil, just trying to work out what all the fuss is about. Yes noticed your original photo, but as members have mentioned it is a bit blurred, so can't make out the wheels very well. You offered to post another pic, so I thought great please do.

Cheers!
 
No game Neil, just trying to work out what all the fuss is about. Yes noticed your original photo, but as members have mentioned it is a bit blurred, so can't make out the wheels very well. You offered to post another pic, so I thought great please do.

Cheers!

I've finished with this thread . :salute::
 
Neil...

You have it and I have it and we both know that the wheels are much lighter than the rest of the body colour. Your pics show this. I thought about taking some but, I don't need pics to be able to see and note the difference. Frank has noticed it also as a few others have.
Mitch

I've finished with this thread . :salute::
 
I think what UKsubs is trying to say is that the wheels were not done in 3 colour camo as is normally done on a factory painted tank. As in the factory applied the zimmerit and camo paint before the tank was sent to a combat unit. So the not cammo wheels look odd to people familiar with WWII camo. See Frank's post in this thread noting the odd look of the wheels and at his photo of the museum Jagdpanther where the 2 tone camo patten is also applied to the wheels.


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Terry
 
look of the wheels and at his photo of the museum Jagdpanther where the 2 tone camo patten is also applied to the wheels.

I've seen camo on wheels, but I thought it was the exception, not the rule. I thought the rule was not to camo wheels, or to make wheels different solid colors (but not pattern painted).

Also, your average museum staff knows even less than the hobbyist about this stuff.
 
I've seen camo on wheels, but I thought it was the exception, not the rule. I thought the rule was not to camo wheels, or to make wheels different solid colors (but not pattern painted).

Also, your average museum staff knows even less than the hobbyist about this stuff.

There was a lot of variation - especially where the disruptive colours were field applied. But even then, the tank left the factory with a minimum of a base coat including on the wheels. Tank colour schemes in books tend to focus on the pretty ones where the paint was well applied. K&C often paints the wheels on the large wheels. Frequently the disruptive colours were just slapped on in the field and not on the wheels. But at least the wheels should be the same base colour as the rest of the tank. It doesen't look like it is in the K&C photos but it is difficult to tell. But several people have commented on it.

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The wheels should be the same dark yellow base coat as the rest of the tank. But the variation, if any, would not stop me from buying the model.
 
To me the color difference on the road wheels represents wear and tear/road grime which would discolor the basic color. Just my 2 cents, 3 nickels, .....
 
The wheels, (different colour as they clearly are) are not a show stopper its the gun toting lone ranger that is hideous for me. The worst posed assault gun commander I have ever seen. He has stayed in the box!! I can live with the wheels but, the JP is really very good and spoilt only by the figure mentioned. I would have preferred the one other which is present as it is a great pose and good figure
Mitch
 
To me the color difference on the road wheels represents wear and tear/road grime which would discolor the basic color. Just my 2 cents, 3 nickels, .....

Sure, I'm game for that. Let me add on to this...and I'm not trying to be argumentative or disrespectful of people's taste, but trying to remove any psychological blocks which may be preventing people from enjoying this model. I haven't studied German camo as much as US colors, but knowing now what I know, I do feel that a lot of WW2 field vehicles couldn't even be marketed as a model today because people just wouldn't believe something could be so disordered or ugly.

On color, there is what PA44 said, but there could other situations. What if the wheels weren't pattern painted at the factory, but just left as yellow, and the rest of the vehicle was pattern painted. When it got to the unit, they decided to repaint the superstructure a new pattern? New painter, new shades of paint. What if the whole tank was just left in solid yellow until it got to the end destination, but had all kind of routing markings on the superstructure that had to be repainted over with yellow. New painter, new shades of paint.

On the cowboy, to continue on the story I recently posted on the Figarti board about the JS2 vs King Tiger, let me finish the story here: So after the JS2 tanks were knocked out, the King Tigers & Stugs proceeded on to the next village, Klein Silber, where they camped on the southern outskirts for the night. The paras were left in Ziegenhagen to mop up. In the morning, the order came in for the armor to get going through Klein Silber. The reply was "what about infantry escort?" The return reply was: "we're losing WW2; get going!" (OK, I'm embellishing). The author of the article & leader of the battlegroup is in the lead KT, followed by another KT, followed by a StuG. As you might expect, Russian infantry pounce on the 2nd KT, knock it out, stranding the leader in the middle of the town. They then hear the Russians climbing on their tank. Two loud explosions follow, and two crew are dead. Their hatches fly open & the remaining crew jump into a sea of Russians. The Russians are now engaged with the StuG, so two functional crew run back to their people. The leader hobbles out of the tank with pistol in hand, falls on the ground, and starts crawling around all these Russians running for cover. He manages to survive, but my point is, Germans were desperately short of infantry going back to even 1943. Forget 1945. It's not unusual for panzers to be seen going unescorted into villages. Didn't some famous guy in Normandy get toasted in a village?

Anyway, could it be that this panzer is going through a village either without or with a meager infantry escort, feels safer with his sidearm drawn, and is communicating to them or another lead panzer on point?

Here's some grapics to the story:

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I've seen camo on wheels, but I thought it was the exception, not the rule. I thought the rule was not to camo wheels, or to make wheels different solid colors (but not pattern painted).

Also, your average museum staff knows even less than the hobbyist about this stuff.

Yes, camo on wheels is bad practice because it becomes highly visible when the wheels rotate.

I definitely agree regarding Museum repaints. The majority are simply brutal.

Frank
 
To me the Jagdpanther looks perfect and that includes the crew. I've studied the pic's and read most of the posts now and although I appreciate that everyone has a different expectation of what it should look like, I have no problem with it at all.

I like my vehicles looking banged up and war worn and that includes the paint work. For me K&C does a great job from this aspect and is creative with their figures. The tank commander is awesome and its great seeing an action figure that is different from the usual 'earphones & binoculars' type of pose.

Agreed it's a bit pricey, but this is one monster I'm willing to stretch the wallet for.{sm2}{sm4}
 
I wasn't a big fan of the first JP figure with the MG,BUT he was useful else where and i don't like the figure with the Luger BUT he will be useful else where im sure.
I like how on the first model a bit of cam and sandbags where added,it was my first and is still my favorite K&C AFV (popped my K&C cherry) its the beast that got me started in this great hobby of ours.
My point is the bloke with the Luger no biggie in my books,cam wheels or whatever i don't care im sure it will be great once i get it in my hands can't wait.

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Here is my JP,s commander.

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just goes to show everyone is different. I thought both crew on this version excellent and the wheel clarity was for K&C excellent. The camo was a disappointment as were the sandbags on the hull front (not seen many German AFV's using the US protection method!!!) so I would have liked them not to have been added
Mitch

I wasn't a big fan of the first JP figure with the MG,BUT he was useful else where and i don't like the figure with the Luger BUT he will be useful else where im sure.
I like how on the first model a bit of cam and sandbags where added,it was my first and is still my favorite K&C AFV (popped my K&C cherry) its the beast that got me started in this great hobby of ours.
My point is the bloke with the Luger no biggie in my books,cam wheels or whatever i don't care im sure it will be great once i get it in my hands can't wait.

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Here is my JP,s commander.

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as were the sandbags on the hull front (not seen many German AFV's using the US protection method!!!) so I would have liked them not to have been added
Mitch

maybe he was getting sent to the Eastern Front (heh heh) where they do not take Panteri so seriously comrade

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I saw this for the first time tonight and I have to say it was fantastic! The painting in particular was exquisite. Good to see the wheels left relatively plain too. Just like the ones on the M113s I used to drive. Love the 'tally-ho' officer with the pistol too!
 

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