K&C Goes Plastic or…“It’s a long way from Renfrew to the Alamo!” (2 Viewers)

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Hi Guys,

Although it’s not been a secret that we’ve been working on several major new projects it’s perhaps not so well known why…how…or what exactly is going on.

So let’s start at the beginning…About 18 months ago a gentleman in San Antonio visited Kings X and saw Gordon’s 24 square foot diorama of the Alamo which is the centerpiece of the store.

He explained that he wanted a similar model about double or three times as big. Both Gordon and yours truly realized P.D.Q. that we could not construct such a large dio in HK. Fortunately we had a contact in the States…Mr. Mike Harris of Oklahoma who could do what we required and could complete it in about 6 months. So, we sent Mike some of our Alamo figures in order for the scale to match up and between us worked out the layout and angle of the model. Unlike our store model this new diorama could accommodate a lot more of the surrounding landscape to be occupied by Santa Anna’s Mexicans.

That brought another potential problem to light…the number and the weight of the figures that would populate the dio. Our Kings X store has about 350 figures on board…This new dio could possibly require up to 1500!

We quickly realized that 1500 metal figures would create quite a weight problem. And so we opted to design and make a whole new Mexican Army in resin plastic which would weigh a fraction of the metal one. At the same time we had already been thinking about making soldiers in less expensive materials that both collectors and tourists might like to buy in our Kings X store. “Remember The Alamo” was and is our first venture into this new way.

However I’m getting ahead of the tale…Once we completed the model itself and Mike delivered it in 4 separate adjoining sections our client told us it was actually to be installed in a brand new museum in San Antonio…The Briscoe Western Art Museum. All of us were thrilled and delighted for the work to be shown there. The client further stated that originally he intended it to be the centerpiece of the Museum Gift Store. However now that other senior members of the Museum had seen it they were putting it into the “Conflict Gallery” which covers many if not all of the many wars and campaigns that have been fought throughout Texan history.

Anyway it was decided that the model would be installed in a special custom-made case and Gordon and myself would return to San Antonio after the 2013 Chicago Show to do the final landscaping and “fixing-on” of almost 1500 figures…approximately a month before the Museum opening.

On Wednesday 25 September at 7:30AM Gordon and myself arrived at the Museum with all our paints, glue, accessories and other bits ‘n’ bobs. Waiting for us on the 3rd floor, in the “Conflict Gallery” was the bare diorama on top of its case plus four giant boxes of model soldiers from Hong Kong…both resin and metal. At the time we reckoned it would take two to three days to complete the scene…Little did we know! Prior to arriving we had decided that the moment we wished to portray was when the Mexican Soldados had penetrated the North East corner of the defense wall and were spilling into the main interior compound. Most of the defenders were still manning the perimeter walls which were already being assaulted by advancing columns of Mexicans.

With the help and able assistance of Adam our new King’s X store manager we unpacked all the soldiers and began their distribution around the exterior of the old mission. It was a daunting spectacle to see this huge Mexican Army and the relatively small defending force of Tejanos, Texians and other volunteers. And so we got down to work…patiently placing and discussing the exact position of each figure before finally agreeing and gluing it into its place. Apart from a brief 45 minute break for lunch each day we kept working until 6PM every night. It was actually pretty exhausting but one of the most satisfying and enjoyable projects either of us and K&C has ever been involved in! Throughout the day visitors would come and go enjoying the growing display – constantly marveling at the quality of Mike’s work and Gordon’s additional diorama details. In addition the sight of hundreds and hundreds of little soldiers which few had ever seen before was a major WOW factor for many of the viewers…All seemed to agree that this would be a major “draw” for tourists and collectors alike. Believe me it made Gordon, myself and the whole Kings X and K&C team very proud.

On our final day as we fitted on the last Mesquite tree…the remaining Mexican soldiers and just one more Alamo defender Gordon turned to me and said, “No bad for two wee guys from Scotland eh?” I had to agree…”It’s a long way from Renfrew to the Alamo!” I replied.

All the best and happy collecting.

Andy C.

P.S. The new figures will be available in a couple of month’s time.
 
Ok after such a good yarn about this dio where are the pictures? :wink2: Mate it deserves to been shown as we know Gordon's and your work always is. :wink2:
Wayne.
 
Ok after such a good yarn about this dio where are the pictures? :wink2: Mate it deserves to been shown as we know Gordon's and your work always is. :wink2:
Wayne.

Yes Andy, pictures, pictures,...... and pictures( maybe a sneak peek)^&grin
 
Yeah Andy, some pic's of this massive dio would be awesome and it would also be great if you can put up some progression pic's of the dio while you blokes were sweating away setting it all up! That's if some were taken of course.

Tom
 
This is a great idea by K&C finally for those of us who collect marching figures hopefully they will be massed produced so that massive parade can be made,and yes some pics of this DIO would be appreciated.
 
WOW this sounds fantastic. I can't imagine be able to work on such a project. will have to visit this museum in the future. Congratulations!
 
Looking forward to seeing the pics Andy and to how these figs can be used to flesh out dio's. The Alamo set up sounds terrific.

Rob
 
Hi Guys,

Although it’s not been a secret that we’ve been working on several major new projects it’s perhaps not so well known why…how…or what exactly is going on.

So let’s start at the beginning…About 18 months ago a gentleman in San Antonio visited Kings X and saw Gordon’s 24 square foot diorama of the Alamo which is the centerpiece of the store.

He explained that he wanted a similar model about double or three times as big. Both Gordon and yours truly realized P.D.Q. that we could not construct such a large dio in HK. Fortunately we had a contact in the States…Mr. Mike Harris of Oklahoma who could do what we required and could complete it in about 6 months. So, we sent Mike some of our Alamo figures in order for the scale to match up and between us worked out the layout and angle of the model. Unlike our store model this new diorama could accommodate a lot more of the surrounding landscape to be occupied by Santa Anna’s Mexicans.

That brought another potential problem to light…the number and the weight of the figures that would populate the dio. Our Kings X store has about 350 figures on board…This new dio could possibly require up to 1500!

We quickly realized that 1500 metal figures would create quite a weight problem. And so we opted to design and make a whole new Mexican Army in resin plastic which would weigh a fraction of the metal one. At the same time we had already been thinking about making soldiers in less expensive materials that both collectors and tourists might like to buy in our Kings X store. “Remember The Alamo” was and is our first venture into this new way.

However I’m getting ahead of the tale…Once we completed the model itself and Mike delivered it in 4 separate adjoining sections our client told us it was actually to be installed in a brand new museum in San Antonio…The Briscoe Western Art Museum. All of us were thrilled and delighted for the work to be shown there. The client further stated that originally he intended it to be the centerpiece of the Museum Gift Store. However now that other senior members of the Museum had seen it they were putting it into the “Conflict Gallery” which covers many if not all of the many wars and campaigns that have been fought throughout Texan history.

Anyway it was decided that the model would be installed in a special custom-made case and Gordon and myself would return to San Antonio after the 2013 Chicago Show to do the final landscaping and “fixing-on” of almost 1500 figures…approximately a month before the Museum opening.

On Wednesday 25 September at 7:30AM Gordon and myself arrived at the Museum with all our paints, glue, accessories and other bits ‘n’ bobs. Waiting for us on the 3rd floor, in the “Conflict Gallery” was the bare diorama on top of its case plus four giant boxes of model soldiers from Hong Kong…both resin and metal. At the time we reckoned it would take two to three days to complete the scene…Little did we know! Prior to arriving we had decided that the moment we wished to portray was when the Mexican Soldados had penetrated the North East corner of the defense wall and were spilling into the main interior compound. Most of the defenders were still manning the perimeter walls which were already being assaulted by advancing columns of Mexicans.

With the help and able assistance of Adam our new King’s X store manager we unpacked all the soldiers and began their distribution around the exterior of the old mission. It was a daunting spectacle to see this huge Mexican Army and the relatively small defending force of Tejanos, Texians and other volunteers. And so we got down to work…patiently placing and discussing the exact position of each figure before finally agreeing and gluing it into its place. Apart from a brief 45 minute break for lunch each day we kept working until 6PM every night. It was actually pretty exhausting but one of the most satisfying and enjoyable projects either of us and K&C has ever been involved in! Throughout the day visitors would come and go enjoying the growing display – constantly marveling at the quality of Mike’s work and Gordon’s additional diorama details. In addition the sight of hundreds and hundreds of little soldiers which few had ever seen before was a major WOW factor for many of the viewers…All seemed to agree that this would be a major “draw” for tourists and collectors alike. Believe me it made Gordon, myself and the whole Kings X and K&C team very proud.

On our final day as we fitted on the last Mesquite tree…the remaining Mexican soldiers and just one more Alamo defender Gordon turned to me and said, “No bad for two wee guys from Scotland eh?” I had to agree…”It’s a long way from Renfrew to the Alamo!” I replied.

All the best and happy collecting.

Andy C.

P.S. The new figures will be available in a couple of month’s time.

Andy,
Great story and great pictures on the other thread on the subject. I love those massed ranks of infantry.^&cool

Now how about doing the same with a model of Hougoumont and/or Le Haye Sainte at Waterloo?
I understand they are turning part of the Hougoumont building into a museum for the 200th anniversary of the battle in 2015.{sm3}
If the organisers could see your Alamo diorama I bet they would jump at the chance.
Great place to set-up your K&C "stall" as well. Imagine how many visitors that place will get over the next few years.
Great place to introduce some K&C resin/plastic Napoleonics. Lot of families with kids to introduce into the hobby.......go on you know it makes sense.
By the way if it does happen and it makes you a millionaire please remember who suggested it.:wink2:
Cheers
Paul
 
How did this EXCITING information not leak out at the Chicago show?

Walt
 
This sounds interesting. A few questions.
Will K&C be doing WW2 figures in plastic?
Are the figures going to be all resin, or will some be injection molded plastic?
Being that most of us WW2 plastic figure collectors have invested a lot in TSSD and Conte figures, how do the K&C figures match up with those companies figures scale wise, and would K&C consider downsizing their plastic WW2 figures to match up with Conte and TSSD figures?
Thanks
BOBBYGMOORE
 
I believe that the plan is for these new resin figures to match up well with existing K&C metal offerings, not with other plastic lines. The goal is to have them seamlessly be a part of a mixed resin/metal dio.

There has been some concern that these resin figures would bring an end to metal production. Resin figures will be made when masses of figures in the same pose (marching, standing firing, etc) are in order. You can't be very unique with poses when you need to make the quantity that resin production requires. Metal figures can still be made in small production runs and can have very interesting poses.

My thoughts...
 
Goes down to pricing - how much would these second-tier (resin/plastic) figures would they be priced ?

Metal is now ~ $45

So resin/plastic half of this or could it even go to $10 ?

Not so long ago Metal pieces are only $32 ^&grin
 
I have metal and resin kits that I have had painted and you can't tell them apart.I do like the lightness of resin and you can also get more detail in resin.One drawback with resin is that they are more fragile but they also don't deteroriate like some think.I do have to admit that the resin kits costs as much as the metal kits,maybe because of small quanities being made but I'm not sure about that.
Mark
 
I believe that the plan is for these new resin figures to match up well with existing K&C metal offerings, not with other plastic lines. The goal is to have them seamlessly be a part of a mixed resin/metal dio.

There has been some concern that these resin figures would bring an end to metal production. Resin figures will be made when masses of figures in the same pose (marching, standing firing, etc) are in order. You can't be very unique with poses when you need to make the quantity that resin production requires. Metal figures can still be made in small production runs and can have very interesting poses.

My thoughts...
A question if I may ...if K$C deciede to go Resin with "Bulk up Diorama figures" ...do you think they would be boxed sets of x amounts of soldiers...to assemle and paint yourself.....aka the usual resin kits......or will they give you the choice of either fully assembled ,,,,unpainted...or painted...or only completed induvidual figures?.....I got the impression that K&C outsourced the risen figures...in that case...there is no reason why they cannot produce a resin range....which....depending on what figures they choose to do...in my opinion would prove very popular.....just a thought...regards TomB
 
Oh my, resign seems to be right on the button and many people new it was coming but tried to wash it over. I think that I for one am very interested in the price and look. Great going K&C if you can pull it off with price and painting and I think it will be a winner. Chris.{sm4}
 
A question if I may ...if K$C deciede to go Resin with "Bulk up Diorama figures" ...do you think they would be boxed sets of x amounts of soldiers...to assemle and paint yourself.....aka the usual resin kits......or will they give you the choice of either fully assembled ,,,,unpainted...or painted...or only completed induvidual figures?.....I got the impression that K&C outsourced the risen figures...in that case...there is no reason why they cannot produce a resin range....which....depending on what figures they choose to do...in my opinion would prove very popular.....just a thought...regards TomB

Tom,
The number of collectors I know who would actually want to paint a resin figure would be very low. Simply a different hobby to collecting.

Then there is the point that even amongst those who might want to paint there may not be many, particularly outside USA, that would want to paint Alamo Mexicans. However I believe the price will be sufficiently attractive that a modeller might still be happy to buy painted ones and paint over or modify them how they want (perhaps converted to Naps ?). Having a different line for modellers would be quite difficult logistically.

Just my own thoughts on this.

Regards
Brett
 
Tom,
The number of collectors I know who would actually want to paint a resin figure would be very low. Simply a different hobby to collecting.

Then there is the point that even amongst those who might want to paint there may not be many, particularly outside USA, that would want to paint Alamo Mexicans. However I believe the price will be sufficiently attractive that a modeller might still be happy to buy painted ones and paint over or modify them how they want (perhaps converted to Naps ?). Having a different line for modellers would be quite difficult logistically.

Just my own thoughts on this.

Regards
Brett
I see your point Brett.....Naps and ACW ?......these two would be the popular choice I think most collectors would like to be able to "Bulk Buy" at a reasonable price....how they market them would be up to the more wiser people at K&C.....it must have been worth their while to out source the Mexican bulk figures,,,certainly cheaper than doing them ..themselves.......Marching figures....some post's reckon these would be the ants pants........I guess it is easy to have idea's ...reality is a lot different.....Whatever...I am really interested is seeing what K&C will eventfully do......thanks for your insight...regards TomB
 
I don't see why not there are many people who paint, convert etc. FL have released resin kits of their metal figures so, K&C could easily follow what they have done and offer them for painters etc to build.

Its also interesting how we have seemingly forgotten that a while back these sets were to entice ''Kids'' into the hobby. I see and I mentioned it then that these would be fillers for the drop in purchasing by mature collectors of multiple figures that K&C like to release. Saluting at attention et al. I think and I don't see any reason to change my opinion that this is a way to attract those collectors who cant afford the metal line to buy multiples.

I would hope though that as much focus is on reducing the prices of figures and AFV's to keep the group that have money at the moment but are being priced out of the hobby involved. Figarti have shown AFV's can be reduced in price without a loss in detail so, turning the hobby on its head for me is this venture not releasing plastic
Mitch

A question if I may ...if K$C deciede to go Resin with "Bulk up Diorama figures" ...do you think they would be boxed sets of x amounts of soldiers...to assemle and paint yourself.....aka the usual resin kits......or will they give you the choice of either fully assembled ,,,,unpainted...or painted...or only completed induvidual figures?.....I got the impression that K&C outsourced the risen figures...in that case...there is no reason why they cannot produce a resin range....which....depending on what figures they choose to do...in my opinion would prove very popular.....just a thought...regards TomB
 
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I don't see why not there are many people who paint, convert etc. FL have released resin kits of their metal figures so, K&C could easily follow what they have done and offer them for painters etc to build.
Mitch
Thank you for that...what I love about this forum is the fact you will always have views for both side's of an idea...discussion......there is always something to learn from both views......the TS manufacturers have a great source here for ..likes...dislikes....idea.s ...etc.....it is a great forum for everyone to have a say and air idea,s etc...regards TomB
 

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