KC has fallen behind with value and quality (1 Viewer)

[thebritfarmer]

I do not collect K&C but I do have The Shannon Set. I was very pleased with the sculpt, detail and finish. How it compares to previous figures and sets I do not know. As for price we will always want items to be cheaper, but I do think K&C are pricey.

 

[zblang]

Most of you know I am not brand loyal, collecting what I like Brand, subject matter, etc just doesn't matter. If I like it, I buy it. That being said, I indeed have a lot of k&c, so that's saying something about how I feel!

 

[TomNT]

Respectfully, if you post criticism like this, you ought to post pics in support of your analysis. To be honest, your "Australian" isn't the best. If you intend to communicate effectively and gain assent for your views, it's incumbent on you to flesh out your ideas. I'm certainly open-minded in regard to your thoughts, as I'm confident are many of the other readers. You can consider the extra effort a sort of public service.

-Moe

It's a "new" kind of Aussie Moe, one that's hard to understand...^&grin

Tom

 

[makava]

At the beginning I was like to buy, this is my principle, and later found that I chose the basic are K & C, and then later found other brands (in addition to honor bound) style are not coordinated, so I only collect K & C or honor bound .

 

[Desertkiwi]

The older KC range were more dynamic, great battle poses, and value for money

now expensive, and pretty boring figures, I purchased the Greeks, no good, some had problem with shape and size like AG011, the bases are smaller, so fall over on even thing grass display mats

and shields are very shiny

Thomus Gunn has produced great quality and value for money items, shame KC does not go back to its roots even the new romans standard boring poses, no dynamic battle poses or unique

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but this thread starter is obviously designed to create trouble.

If Mr Tryfon loves TG so much then can I suggest you stick to collecting their stuff and leave those of us who enjoy K&C to carry-on collecting theirs.

For the record I'm really liking the smaller bases K&C are now producing and figures that have none.

 

[King & Country]

Hi Guys,

Many thanks for your generally positive responses ... As I’ve said elsewhere ... “You will never please everyone in this hobby” ... However, I honestly believe that most fair-minded collectors would and could see general improvements across a wide range of series that we produce.

Our friend “REKP” is upset because “The only K&C series he collects has, ” in his opinion, “turned into tourist fodder”.

I happen to disagree ... K&C sell most “Alamo” figures in our San Antonio store to tourists who request a modestly-priced figure (s) as a memory of Texas and San Antonio. That’s why we produced that limited range of less expensive pieces... as well as our regular ‘RTA’ figures.

His attitude and references to “Throwaway Ranges” such as “Robin Hood”, “Pike & Musket” and others only shows his own particular bias to what he personally prefers.

When the time is right we will add to our “Remember The Alamo” series however not at this particular time. We are working on other projects old and new and like other companies we have, to some extent, follow what the majority of collectors request ... and alas, there are still only 24 hours in a day.

Best wishes and happy collecting!

Andy​

 

[OzDigger]

The K&C Romans are very well done IMO. I find them more accurate than the TG Romans; where the Scutum is too wide, making it look square rather than rectangular. K&C got it right, even in the 2001 releases. The K&C Barbarians were also very well done and are worthy opponents for the Romans. The FL Romans are very good but very expensive. I think the ROI of K&C figures long term will be better than either FL or TG. K&C's best figures sell for 2 to 3X their selling price of 16 years ago. K&C also has great brand recognition; which Andy has built and maintained very well over 3 decades. Time will tell where TG and FL will be in 30+ years; perhaps with Figarti and Honor Bound!

A Scutum that's gone Square shaped....that can't be good {eek3}

 

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

A Scutum that's gone Square shaped....that can't be good {eek3}

I thought I read scrotum. I need to wear my glasses when I reading these posts.

 

[Guy]

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but this thread starter is obviously designed to create trouble.

If Mr Tryfon loves TG so much then can I suggest you stick to collecting their stuff and leave those of us who enjoy K&C to carry-on collecting theirs.

For the record I'm really liking the smaller bases K&C are now producing and figures that have none.

Hear, hear
guy

 

[Guest]

This is simple, either buy or do not buy, make a comment through your wallet.

 

[Guy]

The older KC range were more dynamic, great battle poses, and value for money

now expensive, and pretty boring figures, I purchased the Greeks, no good, some had problem with shape and size like AG011, the bases are smaller, so fall over on even thing grass display mats

and shields are very shiny

Thomus Gunn has produced great quality and value for money items, shame KC does not go back to its roots even the new romans standard boring poses, no dynamic battle poses or unique

Would it not be better to talk about our hobby, collecting toy soldiers and making dioramas ? Everybody has a favourite manufacturer and a favourite series. You buy what you like and what you can afford . If you prefer Thomas Gunn, then by all means buy Thomas Gunn and leave us K&C collectors alone . If you don't like K&C well, don't buy their figures, it is as simple as that.Don't tell me that TG and other manufacturers have not increased their prices . I can remember the days that a TG figure was at $32 and less and look where we are today !!!!!. You also talk about boring poses and that you prefer dynamic battle poses . We diorama makers love the boring poses . Please bear in mind that a soldier spents 90% of his time not fighting, but doing the daily tasks: shining boots, drinking a beer , eating, etc ...
We had this discussion many many times before and again today ..... that's BORING !!!!!!!!
guy

 

[wayne556517]

Would it not be better to talk about our hobby, collecting toy soldiers and making dioramas ? Everybody has a favourite manufacturer and a favourite series. You buy what you like and what you can afford . If you prefer Thomas Gunn, then by all means buy Thomas Gunn and leave us K&C collectors alone . If you don't like K&C well, don't buy their figures, it is as simple as that.Don't tell me that TG and other manufacturers have not increased their prices . I can remember the days that a TG figure was at $32 and less and look where we are today !!!!!. You also talk about boring poses and that you prefer dynamic battle poses . We diorama makers love the boring poses . Please bear in mind that a soldier spents 90% of his time not fighting, but doing the daily tasks: shining boots, drinking a beer , eating, etc ...
We had this discussion many many times before and again today ..... that's BORING !!!!!!!!
guy

Its called "Hurry up and wait" ^&grin

 

[theBaron]

Tryfon would make it harder for anyone to question his motivation to be a troll, if he'd post pictures to support his comment.

Prost!
Brad

 

[Patton]

I think it is unfair to complain about K&C quality and it has actually IMPROVED.

No more painted on windscreens........... no raised areas for tank markings ............. more sophisticated figure development.

I met Andy in Sydney TWICE at the shop and then at the dinner and he was very obliging in listening to MY complaints and observations. Unfortunately Andy is no doubt bound to HIS advisors BUT at least he makes himself available to the customers and he listens (I know as I gave him heaps).

ps Please leave Andy alone about the "succession". I have lost two parents in 4 years and I think that discussion is somewhat insensitive and definitely ghoulish.

Patton now wants to shoot some mules for stress relief (or maybe play Fallout 4)............

 

[Desertkiwi]

Tryfon would make it harder for anyone to question his motivation to be a troll, if he'd post pictures to support his comment.

Prost!
Brad

I believe Mr Tryfon has left the building..........

 

[nysoldiers]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we have the option to ignore as well as disagree.
After all its not like he insulted your wife, your father, your looks, your character or your size.....

 

[hotel3alpha]

Gents,

Well after reading all the TRYFON posts I am just glad my forum name is what it is. So, if you go to a show and you start talking about TFT to some random guy and you say "oh, are you on the forum? What's your handle?" and dude hesitates, looks at the ground and shuffles his shoes and say "...uh..." then YOU KNOW WHO IT IS...IT'S...IT'S...TRYFON

John from Texas

 

[Desertkiwi]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we have the option to ignore as well as disagree.
After all its not like he insulted your wife, your father, your looks, your character or your size.....

Very true.......but he has had a crack at a brand many of us spend a considerable amount of time and money to collect as part of a hobby we thoroughly enjoy.

The bloke rarely posts in this section and when he does it's almost always with a negative slant, as some members have already pointed out.

His original post and thread starter was designed to provoke a response, which he duly received and rightly so.

What I find particularly telling is his sudden absence from a thread he started.

 

[Grant1865]

Hi Guys,

Many thanks for your generally positive responses ... As I’ve said elsewhere ... “You will never please everyone in this hobby” ... However, I honestly believe that most fair-minded collectors would and could see general improvements across a wide range of series that we produce.

Our friend “REKP” is upset because “The only K&C series he collects has, ” in his opinion, “turned into tourist fodder”.

I happen to disagree ... K&C sell most “Alamo” figures in our San Antonio store to tourists who request a modestly-priced figure (s) as a memory of Texas and San Antonio. That’s why we produced that limited range of less expensive pieces... as well as our regular ‘RTA’ figures.

His attitude and references to “Throwaway Ranges” such as “Robin Hood”, “Pike & Musket” and others only shows his own particular bias to what he personally prefers.

When the time is right we will add to our “Remember The Alamo” series however not at this particular time. We are working on other projects old and new and like other companies we have, to some extent, follow what the majority of collectors request ... and alas, there are still only 24 hours in a day.

Best wishes and happy collecting!

Andy​

Andy,
I have been a collector of K&C for ten years. I enjoy your various lines of military miniatures, and Dicken's as well, even though I can only afford to collect five or so lines regularly. Over the years I have asked and encouraged you to consider a new line with the Israeli Defense Forces and needless to say am very happy you have given it a chance. I think K&C's creativity and quality have increased over the years considerably. I know most of us agree that you have set the bar very high for the industry. Keep of the great work. All the best,.
Brad R.

 

[Norman508a]

I believe Mr Tryfon has left the building..........

He always does, starts a thread replies to the thread two or three time's and is gone in the wind.

Our friend will be back in a month bagging out another company on cost/size/paint, it won't really matter because its whinging for the sake of whinging.

I reckon next month will be Jenkins for some obscure reason, so as a community of collectors lets not buy into his comments and he will just fade away.

My two cents worth.
Matt