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How come the dollar is like one and a half times the pound, but King and Country UK sell sets of three figures for £97.82....

While kingandcountry.com sells them for $95.00.....

I mean, it just doesn't make sense!:mad::confused::(:eek::(:mad:
 
How come the dollar is like one and a half times the pound, but King and Country UK sell sets of three figures for £97.82....

While kingandcountry.com sells them for $95.00.....

I mean, it just doesn't make sense!:mad::confused::(:eek::(:mad:


Shhhh... dont rock the boat.

On a serious note I was just talking with some people about how the exchange rate for this hobby seems skewed sometimes. This being one of those.
 
How come the dollar is like one and a half times the pound, but King and Country UK sell sets of three figures for £97.82....

While kingandcountry.com sells them for $95.00.....

I mean, it just doesn't make sense!:mad::confused::(:eek::(:mad:

It's not Just K&C that are like that, WB is also the same, The UK has to be one of the most expensive places in the world to live. Remember also generally your prices also include tax where as ours is added to that price.
 
It is also linked with the exchange rate of Hong Kong currency. K&C UK have to pay in this currency and the Yankee dollar has a better rate. Well that's what Mike Neville told me when I asked him the very same question.

You are not alone as the continual increase in the UK price for K&C figures is fast putting them beyond my reach

Reb
 
How come the dollar is like one and a half times the pound, but King and Country UK sell sets of three figures for £97.82....

While kingandcountry.com sells them for $95.00.....

I mean, it just doesn't make sense!:mad::confused::(:eek::(:mad:

The exchange rate only has an effect if it changes over time, otherwise it has no effect. Here is how it works in Canada using today's exchange rates.

If we paid the UK price the item would cost
GBP97.82 = US$159.73 = CAD$185.50 plus 6% GST = CAD$196.63

We actually pay
US$95.00 = CAD$110.32 plus 6% GST = CAD$117.00 with free delivery. The difference between CAD$196.63 and CAD$117.00 is CAD$79.63 or GBP42.00 is caused by import duties (if any), the amount of VAT greater than the Canadian 6% GST and by dealer markup in UK greater than dealer markup in Canada (if any). Only if the UK currency fell against the US$ would the difference in price increase by the change in the exchange rate plus VAT on that change.

Now you know why. Feel better? :) No? :eek: I'm not surprised. If I had to pay UK prices I would probably never have gotten into the hobby or if I had, my collection would be much smaller.

Terry
 
Another thing i don't understand is why William Britain put the prices at not less than 19.99 £ for the matt figures..i remember the same figures were at 14.99 or 16.99..i can accept if the price is that from the beginning but i find it irritating if the seller change the price.Regarding KCUK i unfortunately reduced my purchases, for personal reasons, nonetheless i was always satisfied with the service , and the price i pay is good , i pay less buying from KingsX but i must wait 3/4 weeks , when buying from KCUK i wait 5/7 days before receiving the parcel so it's a price i'm happy to pay (on single figures) , different is my position on multi figure set, but if i buy over a certain value from the U.S.A. i must pay the custom fees(10 to 18 euros)..so we're from start..certainly i'll finish my Crimea Collection buying them from Tony!!!
 
When i got a couple of shermans in april, they were $20 more than what i would pay now as our $ went up against the us again. Roughly. Marry a canadian & leave :)
 
When i got a couple of shermans in april, they were $20 more than what i would pay now as our $ went up against the us again. Roughly. Marry a canadian & leave :)


I checked on the K&C UK website, but didn't see the Canadian Wife series. Is this a K&C UK exclusive? Where do we get them from? Are they any more expensive than UK Wives in the long term? :confused::rolleyes:
 
Was a canadian exclusive, she's one of a kind, there were 4 others in the batch, but i took this one :)
 
How come the dollar is like one and a half times the pound, but King and Country UK sell sets of three figures for £97.82....

While kingandcountry.com sells them for $95.00.....

I mean, it just doesn't make sense!:mad::confused::(:eek::(:mad:

Never got a K&C set from the UK as it cost top $$$$$$$$$$:D
 
Must admit the price difference is quite large, when I look at how much they cost elsewhere in the world, I can't bring myself to pay the UK Prices atm,
may save up for a treefrog purchace of $250 and get free delivery.

Anyone done that and been hit by import tax? im told its abit hit and miss.

Or I might just continue to look at all the pictures :)

Dave
 
Guys

its gets annoying trying to justify the prices on our site as if we are trying to rip people off! what i do appreciate is a direct question in private to Mike or myself about a subject like this and we will happily answer them..........Rob (UK Reb) did this and as such i hope as much as the cost was still an issue the explanation was satisfactory. This stops the small flurry of guys jumping on the thread saying yeah yeah dont buy from K&C UK. as if we are doing it on peurpose!

Although i directly do not do the pricing at K&C UK i will go some way.........not that i feel i should have to, to explain the prices.

1, USA dealer prices are as same as HK prices as they can pay in US $. One not having a flucuation in exchange rate and two no additional charges for changing money
2, The import cost to the US is far lower than to the UK if paid at all
3, The shipping costs to the US are only a little but are still lower
4, there is no taxation when the items land as there are in the UK.

So in the UK as we are a registered company, pay our VAT and other taxes. We have to take all these into account. first.

Giving maybe a few pounds over on some items........but again we have over heads and are a fulltime business.

What i do appreciate is that as i do we ALL have free choice and can buy from where you like. there are many pros and cons but thankfully one of the only cons about buying from K&C UK is the price. Funny when at a show you have a customer who has never bought from us but received a damaged figure and wants us to change it for them? our service is OK then?? of course we dont do this! if asked and the item is not purchased from us!!

We happily hold items for customers and work with their budgets so enabling customers to buy when they can afford opposed to feeling the need to buy when an item comes out.

We have over 4000 collectors that we service around the world (and speaking with a mass of dealers a lot of customers cross match on data bases)

On another point a figure that we still show on our site at the older price is being bought at a higher rate NOW but still shows the older rate so we only increase the price on a new item.

With regards personel importing.........your right it is hit or miss however i have been told by a lot of UK customers there has been a lot more hitting recently. I know for fact that Parcelforce (who deal with the majority of imports to the UK as part of RM) are targeting the smaller personel market as they have found an easy cash win there. i have been stung myself, onb my collecting habbits.

Guys long and short of it if HRH did not demand as much for me to operate my FULLTIME business in taxes then i would not have to price my items so high.

Hey but its a free world and you can buy K&C and any other product from where you like!

we have been a K&C dealer for 15 years and started in a bedroom we are now in 2 warehouses and run the largest Toy soldier show in Europe. we dont get there from priocing wrong. The core product price has gone up over those 15 years. But as i said before i used to pay 10p for a mars bar!

I know this does not satisfy all enquiries as i am sure there are collectors who have bought from the states other parts of europe etc and have not been stung by taxation........its easy for a dealer to put gift on a box and under price the invoice to avoid it and then think well that was easy!!

as i say buy where you are happy to buy
 
Tony,

I don't think people are griping so much about you -- after all if you and Mike had done such a bad job you wouldn't be around and we know that's not the case as you guys are first rate (my only peeve is that I haven't seen your father in three years!) -- but about the economy as you operate in. After all, your other competitors are in the same boat; there's a price differential for everybody.

BTW, you say that "if HRH did not demand as much for me to operate my FULLTIME business in taxes" etc. I didn't know that Shannon made you do that;):rolleyes::p
 
Tony,

I don't think people are griping so much about you -- after all if you and Mike had done such a bad job you wouldn't be around and we know that's not the case as you guys are first rate (my only peeve is that I haven't seen your father in three years!) -- but about the economy as you operate in. After all, your other competitors are in the same boat; there's a price differential for everybody.

BTW, you say that "if HRH did not demand as much for me to operate my FULLTIME business in taxes" etc. I didn't know that Shannon made you do that;):rolleyes::p

Brad i agree maybe not a direct hit but iam the UK dealer and they are my prices, just wish people would run a business for as many years as us and see what it takes in the UK economy, with staff, over heads, etc to pay for.

as for Mike Brad 67 enjoys holidays instead of busmen holidays now so i do all the running around as the face of K&C UK. so you will have to get over to one of our events to see him lol.

Also as a Royalist of course i ment the real HRH!!:)

Tony
 
Tony,

Most collectors will never unfortunately put themselves in your shoes.

Shannon is not the real HRH?:eek:
 
It is also linked with the exchange rate of Hong Kong currency. K&C UK have to pay in this currency and the Yankee dollar has a better rate. Well that's what Mike Neville told me when I asked him the very same question.

You are not alone as the continual increase in the UK price for K&C figures is fast putting them beyond my reach

Reb

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Its time for most people to "Wake Up" and begin to hold their leaders responsible! The amount of taxes people are paying today is unbelievable!

What exactly is a Value Added Tax? Value for who? I heard in europe it began at 5% and now has climbed to 20%! 20% extra going to the government on your purchases?.......For what reason?

We are little better off here we have no VAT tax yet......but the current administration is spending money like a drunken sailor 3 TRILLION in the first six months.......and they are now quietly talking about a Vat!:eek:
 
I agree John.Enough is enough,it's just one thing after another.As you well know John here in Jersey I've seen since I was a boy the sales tax,state income tax,casino money,lottery money and everything else taxed,taxed,and taxed and they still don't have enough money.Something has gotta give sooner or later.
Mark
 
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Its time for most people to "Wake Up" and begin to hold their leaders responsible! The amount of taxes people are paying today is unbelievable!

What exactly is a Value Added Tax? Value for who? I heard in europe it began at 5% and now has climbed to 20%! 20% extra going to the government on your purchases?.......For what reason?

We are little better off here we have no VAT tax yet......but the current administration is spending money like a drunken sailor 3 TRILLION in the first six months.......and they are now quietly talking about a Vat!:eek:

I agree John.Enough is enough,it's just one thing after another.As you well know John here in Jersey I've seen since I was a boy the sales tax,state income tax,casino money,lottery money and everything else taxed,taxed,and taxed and they still don't have enough money.Something has gotta give sooner or later.
Mark

Fellas,
Could not agree more with "taxation without reason". I have found that my buying experiences have, all in all, been cheaper and most pleasant from the UK. The guys from Ole' England tend to be top-notch, I don't have to pay VAT, and they tend to package my stuff much better than the folks over here! Plus the exchange rate is in our favor!
Mike
 
I'm clearly biased, because the Nevilles have been practically family to me for many years, but I think that anyone complaining about what the Nevillle's charge for K&C is barking up the wrong tree.

The first thing I ever bought from the Nevilles was the RAF Quonset Hut back in around 1998. I had called them long distance looking for retired pieces, and they had the hut in stock. I initially spoke with Sue Neville (and a nicer person would be hard to imagine), and then was put on the phone with Mike. I told Mike a few items I would love to have, and he told me he would keep me in mind if he came across them.

Over the next year or so I bought a couple of other pieces from the Nevilles, and was always completely satisfied with both the great service and careful packing. Then, out of the blue I got a call from Sue at my office - Mike had remembered that the piece I most wanted back then was the K&C Wood StuG IV (which I had foolishly passed on when the Toy Soldier Gallery had it in stock because I had already spent my Toy Soldier budget that month), and had bought one for me from a collector moving to take a job on an oil rig - can you imagine, when one came available over a year after I mentioned it during our first phone call, Mike not only remembered I wanted it, but sold it to me at the original retail price.

Since then I have bought at least half a dozen warbirds, literally dozens of retired sets, and many many other wonderful items from the Nevilles. I happily paid the British Pounds, even though at times the exchange rate was brutal, because I knew I was getting great service from a great old fashioned family business.

When I decided to propose to my lovely wife Meredith, I took her on a trip to London, and the morning after we got engaged we attended a Toy Show to meet the Nevilles in person. Mike and Sue were the first people to see Meredith and I as a couple after we got engaged. Since then, there has been a Neville at all but one NY Symposium. They, along with our hosts Pete and Shannon were instrumental and assisting Kevin, Larry, Hans and I in getting the K&C book published.

Because of the VAT and exchange rates, you pay more in pounds than the same set may sell for in dollars in the United States, but in return, you get great service, a fantastic website, a K&C "museum" type showroom which is at least the equal of mine, the Crimean War Series, and three fantastic London Shows a year. And, frankly, Mike and Sue became the UK Distributor for K&C back when K&C was just another small manufacturer - their vision, obviously along with Andy's, helped K&C remake the Toy Soldier industry and give birth to the "golden age" of the hobby we enjoy today.

Oh, and the last time I checked, all of my british buddies (and I have a few :)) consistently grouse about getting nailed with obscene import taxes when they purchase Toy Soldiers overseas and have them shipped to the UK, so between shipping costs and taxes, I figure it all balances out in the end.

I do feel for my British cousins, who get taxed to the point of no return, and I hope you get some relief from your government, but the Nevilles should not shoulder the blame for your rather expensive system. Just my two cents, as a long time customer and friend of some of the best people in a hobby full of really terrific people.;)
 
I'm clearly biased, because the Nevilles have been practically family to me for many years, but I think that anyone complaining about what the Nevillle's charge for K&C is barking up the wrong tree.

The first thing I ever bought from the Nevilles was the RAF Quonset Hut back in around 1998. I had called them long distance looking for retired pieces, and they had the hut in stock. I initially spoke with Sue Neville (and a nicer person would be hard to imagine), and then was put on the phone with Mike. I told Mike a few items I would love to have, and he told me he would keep me in mind if he came across them.

Over the next year or so I bought a couple of other pieces from the Nevilles, and was always completely satisfied with both the great service and careful packing. Then, out of the blue I got a call from Sue at my office - Mike had remembered that the piece I most wanted back then was the K&C Wood StuG IV (which I had foolishly passed on when the Toy Soldier Gallery had it in stock because I had already spent my Toy Soldier budget that month), and had bought one for me from a collector moving to take a job on an oil rig - can you imagine, when one came available over a year after I mentioned it during our first phone call, Mike not only remembered I wanted it, but sold it to me at the original retail price.

Since then I have bought at least half a dozen warbirds, literally dozens of retired sets, and many many other wonderful items from the Nevilles. I happily paid the British Pounds, even though at times the exchange rate was brutal, because I knew I was getting great service from a great old fashioned family business.

When I decided to propose to my lovely wife Meredith, I took her on a trip to London, and the morning after we got engaged we attended a Toy Show to meet the Nevilles in person. Mike and Sue were the first people to see Meredith and I as a couple after we got engaged. Since then, there has been a Neville at all but one NY Symposium. They, along with our hosts Pete and Shannon were instrumental and assisting Kevin, Larry, Hans and I in getting the K&C book published.

Because of the VAT and exchange rates, you pay more in pounds than the same set may sell for in dollars in the United States, but in return, you get great service, a fantastic website, a K&C "museum" type showroom which is at least the equal of mine, the Crimean War Series, and three fantastic London Shows a year. And, frankly, Mike and Sue became the UK Distributor for K&C back when K&C was just another small manufacturer - their vision, obviously along with Andy's, helped K&C remake the Toy Soldier industry and give birth to the "golden age" of the hobby we enjoy today.

Oh, and the last time I checked, all of my british buddies (and I have a few :)) consistently grouse about getting nailed with obscene import taxes when they purchase Toy Soldiers overseas and have them shipped to the UK, so between shipping costs and taxes, I figure it all balances out in the end.

I do feel for my British cousins, who get taxed to the point of no return, and I hope you get some relief from your government, but the Nevilles should not shoulder the blame for your rather expensive system. Just my two cents, as a long time customer and friend of some of the best people in a hobby full of really terrific people.;)

If you are in the UK and looking to buy a large quantity of King and Country items, you might as well just send to America for them, because even with the postage from America, and the handling fee, which can be over a hundred pounds, it is still cheaper than buying them in the UK;)
 

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