KING & COUNTRY Dispatches -- June 2016 (1 Viewer)

they also carried the std M-1, don't know what the ratio was between the two weapons.



" missed this post the first time around. Please pass on my family's heartfelt gratitude to your son for his service.

Best,
Jason"



Many thanks Jason.

Chris
 
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Here is a D-Day Paratrooper photo showing the wooden stock version. From my perspective, there were just as many folding stock versions as there were wood stock versions used.

Wayne
 

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There were 150,000 M1A1's made, but like Thompson SMG's, by 1944 their image appeal was suffering to the realities of combat and the need for weapons that could reach out and touch the enemy at combat ranges and still have power in the round to stop an enemy soldier. After combat in Sicily and Italy, the 82nd would likely have turned its weapons in for refit, and many of the M1A1's would receive new, wooden stocks during the refit. Glider riders of the 325th (82nd) and 327th (101st) as a rule, didn't receive Paratrooper accoutrements like M1942 jump suits or M1A1's, though some no doubt acquired them. The 504th did not jump as a regiment with the 82nd during the "Boston" missions of "Operation Neptune," as they were still recovering from their late return from Anzio. As was said earlier, its anybody's guess as to how many M1A1's were carried in by the 501st, 502nd, 505th, 506th, 507th or 508th's paratroopers, but they were probably limited to people like headquarters types, Radio operators, and the like.

A few other tidbits I've found in research: tying the aid pouch to the helmet netting seems to be predominantly a 101st thing, while arm sleeve flags are an 82nd thing. Additional pockets sewn to the sleeves: almost exclusively done in the 506th PIR, while the 505th (the only veteran PIR of the operation) mandated that every man jump an antitank mine in their combat load.

There are no absolutes I've found in my research and personal combat experience, but general rules of thumb... best to just roll with it. Andy's sculpts do a good job of representing US paratroopers of that era.
 
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Scott,

Even if you're 100 percent correct, maybe you could have phrased it differently :wink2:

Brad
 
For someone that's allegedly selling his collection and moving away from collecting TS, this seems like a remarkable post, particularly when it was common practice for allied troops to mix uniform and weapons at this stage of the war.

Scott mate, try spending some time talking to WW2 vets and you'll be surprised with what many carried when it came to weapons and over all kit.
 
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I'd walk that statement back a little. True, there were 150,000 M1A1's made, but like Thompson SMG's, by 1944 their image appeal was suffering to the realities of combat and the need for weapons that could reach out and touch the enemy at combat ranges and still have power in the round to stop an enemy soldier. After combat in Sicily and Italy, the 82nd would likely have turned its weapons in for refit, and many of the M1A1's would receive new, wooden stocks during the refit. Glider riders of the 325th (82nd) and 327th (101st) as a rule, didn't receive Paratrooper accoutrements like M1942 jump suits or M1A1's, though some no doubt acquired them. The 504th did not jump as a regiment with the 82nd during the "Boston" missions of "Operation Neptune," as they were still recovering from their late return from Anzio. As was said earlier, its anybody's guess as to how many M1A1's were carried in by the 501st, 502nd, 505th, 506th, 507th or 508th's paratroopers, but they were probably limited to people like headquarters types, Radio operators, and the like.

A few other tidbits I've found in research: tying the aid pouch to the helmet netting seems to be predominantly a 101st thing, while arm sleeve flags are an 82nd thing. Additional pockets sewn to the sleeves: almost exclusively done in the 506th PIR, while the 505th (the only veteran PIR of the operation) mandated that every man jump an antitank mine in their combat load.

There are no absolutes I've found in my research and personal combat experience, but general rules of thumb... best to just roll with it. Andy's sculpts do a good job of representing US paratroopers of that era.

Good post. I would add to your comment regarding HQ types, ROs, etc that the M1 carbine was designed and fielded as a crew weapon for mortar, artillery, MG types. The std M1 would have been the weapon issued for the majority of the line infantry. Chris
 
As mentioned before, the M1A1 was not the only carbine used. The M1A1 was originally for the engineers and certain other units. They crept into more common use in the airborne units and also were acquired by other personnel in different branches. The folding stock carbines have shown up in photos of the 1st Special Service Force ("Devil's Brigade") and even in a photo of Marines in the Pacific. Wood-stock carbines were not uncommon in any of the airborne outfits. By the way, supply wasn't always the reason for having a wood stock carbine. The You Tube channel "InRange TV" commented that the folding stock on the M1A1 was "junk" compared with other folding stock designs. I haven't fired an M1A1 but I know that for my frame the wood stock carbine was a pleasure to fire.

Bottom line; Andy is NOT incorrect in showing a "regular" carbine in use with an airborne division.

Gary B.
Waverly, NE
 
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Good post. I would add to your comment regarding HQ types, ROs, etc that the M1 carbine was designed and fielded as a crew weapon for mortar, artillery, MG types. The std M1 would have been the weapon issued for the majority of the line infantry. Chris

Yep, who would want to be in the front with a carbine? The M1 Garand would be the weapon of choice. Shoot something with that and its going down. Shoot through a fence and brush and it will still hit what's behind it. Heavy, but well balanced. Extremely steady to aim. Beautiful rifle.
 
Scott,

As Wayne said it's not what you said but how you said it and in saying it you failed to display good manners or act civilly. We are all expected to act this way here (and in life in general). We don't always achieve this standard (present company included) but we need to try to do so. It has nothing to do with age but how one comports him or herself throughout their lives.

Brad
 
This is now getting a little silly. Can the thread not be locked or ALL posts that are not Dispatches be deleted?
 
Hi Gents,

So much for my nice quiet Saturday afternoon. Please refrain from insulting posts and replying to them. Just report the offending post and allow one of the Moderators to deal with it. Thanks and please feel free to get back to a discussion of the recent releases by K&C.

Dave
 
The more I look at them the more I realize that the new paratroopers can be used in many different dios and scenarios. Top marks for versatility, as usual.
 
I`ve been out of the forum for the last 3 months and apparently I`ve missed a lot of action going on according to the moderators post...{sm4}{sm4}{sm4} Anyway, just my comment about this month dispatches which I found fantastic, both the paras and the JagdPanzer Pz.Kpfw. IV L/70 A (great to see the A version being made!), not to mention the "land" Zero and crew. Congratulations again to Andy & Co. for these great releases! :salute::
 

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