KING & COUNTRY Dispatches -- March 2022 (1 Viewer)

Andy,

I certainly appreciate everything you do, and I applaud your effort and determination. While some find fault, many enjoy the magnificent pieces you and your team create. In my opinion your creations are consistently on-point, and they certainly hold their value over time. In today's world, I think this is a true testament of your work and a positive indicator that you are doing it right. So, keep up the good fight because my inner child demands it.

Mark


Hi Guys,
Here are a few more thoughts on this thread from Texas…

The last three years have been ‘challenging’ to say the least in Hong Kong. Back in2019 we had major civil disturbances on the streets of the city that lasted for almost an entire year… More than a few of these humongous demos took place right on the doorstep of Pacific Place where our store is and our Head Office in nearby Wanchai.

As 2020 dawned ourselves and the whole world woke up to the Pandemic and all the upheavals and crisis that has caused all of us everywhere.
For K&C the dreaded Covid and the restrictions that have been put into place have prevented myself and our team from going into mainland China to meet and work on projects face-to-face with our sculpting team and factories… for over two whole years. Previously we went into China every 2 or 3 weeks!

Presently I am in San Antonio, initially for three weeks, but now considerably longer because of the restrictions of flying back into HK. Fortunately that has given me the opportunity of working directly with our great team at ‘King & Country Texas’…Laura, Amber and Gil while I wait to find out when I can return to Hong Kong.

On the even more ‘positive’ side, this trip to Texas has been a ‘breat of fresh air’ providing me with a huge wealth of inspiration and ideas that will be showing up in all kinds of K&C figures, fighting vehicles and many other items in the coming months and beyond.

Add to that the friendship and continued support from K&C Collectors and Dealers both here in the ‘States and around the World has been truly heartening and helpful!
That goes a long way to explaining why I still love to do what I do and why I look forward to going to work every day at King & Country designing and making these little toy soldiers and all the things that go with them.

It also goes a long way to explain what I often say to myself at the end of the day…
”Just how lucky can one wee boy from Scotland be!”

Adios Amigos for the moment,
Andy
 
Did you even read what i wrote or just saw a bandwagon to jump on? I wrote in my post 'Quality level are roughly the same for me'. I did not mention poor quality, K & C, in my opinon are the same quality as others i buy, namely T Gunn and J Jenkins, where did you get the leap from my comments to yours on 'blacklines on figures' of did you just fancy a quick moan on what was upsetting you? The 'blacklines' is not something that has crossed my mind and i have never commented on them.

On another but connected point, i have that figure, i use it with and like the whole WW2 German field hospital sub series, i am a couple missing but will buy, i wish there could be a few more figures and vehicles.

For me, across all TS manufacturers, there is a lack of damaged and/or destroyed vehilces and tanks. To use figures like this.


Wow..just like ol times!! 🤣🤣🤣
 
I think any critique is valid if it was meant to be constructive.
I think Andy gets the most critiques because he is on top now.
I think we can be both critical-of and grateful-for K&C.

Personally, I like all of this months releases, which were impressive in that Andy made anything while travelling to boost the TS/MF Hobby. As far as heads go, a big (Irish{sm2}) head has been a thing since Trophy and probably far before: bigger heads give better facial expressions, period. But it is better to do those expressions in a "scale" noggin.

Anyway Best Wishes to All,
Please don't mind my occasional rant because I wish our Community only the Best,
Paddy (for Pat Sr. & Jr.(Paddy)).

To reply, I think my opinions are valid,
The number of monthly releases by K & C have been reduced and the ranges are more targeted at the US market, the second was not a critique, just a statement on where K & C appear to be targeting resources, at the most lucrative market, Andy is in business to make money, if he does not then his company goes under and we have no more K & C toy soldiers. Therefore, creating stuff for the US is the correct decision.

On my comments on UK and Europe becoming a backwater, K & C has become harder to buy here and as important, to actually see anywhere, especially at the London Show, there has been little representation at the London show for years, pre-covid. Seeing the stuff, want to write ‘In the Flesh’ but really should be ‘In the Metal’ is vital for me. I do not think there is a fellow Treefrogger who has not gone to a show or even a shop with an idea in their mind what they are going to buy, but has come away with numerous impulse buys, just because we saw it and liked it.

I bought my first K & C in the late 90s and still have it, it is a Nelson Navy standing figure, I can remember when K & C first launched their Napoleonic range, there was a flood of figures, along with masses of WW2 Germans, Americans and British on a monthly basis. Numerous vehicles and tanks on a monthly cycle, yet now the amount released, in comparison, has reduced greatly. Once again not a criticism, just stating we used to get more releases and a wider range of releases, not single figure releases in a range per month.

Quality, I did not criticize quality, my comments were on style,
The Romans do have big heads [the figures, not real actual people], whereas I think T Gunn Spartans have small narrow heads, plus their Zulus figures, same thing with K & C US Indian figures, are all have six packs stomachs. Seeing the old grainy B/W photos makes me think they were not ‘ripped’.

On the RAF fighters paint jobs, I only have five, 3 Hurricanes and 2 Spitfires, but the camos are the same and checking out the K& C websites, the others look the same. That WAS a criticism, but I think justified, i cannot figure out why this has slipped through K & C quality control.

Thats enough as this has turned into a book, got to go put the car away and check the chickens are locked up safe, as living in the ‘Debateable Land’ those thieving Border Reivers might be raiding.

On books - a great read is the Debateable Lands by Graham Robb. The story of the family rivalry here made the Hatfield–McCoy look like picnic. Which my neighbours think i am keeping alive by having a flagpole where i occasionally run up the Flag of St George.........but they let it go as i am the nearest Doctor [semi-retired] for 10s of miles.

Robert Low has also written a great fiction series of books about the period of the English Scottish borders.
 
Well who sucked the cream out of your donut mate...??

Seriously, what's tickled you? "Wet smelly sticky stuff'......Given the present world economic climate and all the covid BS you really have ants in your pants.

I'm all for constructive criticism but there's no need to be rude about it.

Dude you do yourself no favours....

Hello

I think I need to explain something to you, see below,

Firstly, the Treefrog Forum is a discussion place for TOY SOLDIERS. Not about the environment, economics, COVID, politics or the crisis in Ukraine, none of these are its reason for existing. It is a forum where discussion, both positive and negative, takes place on our common interest. That is why I post things on this forum about toy soldiers. In the same way I would not have discussed whether or not K & C and T Gunn WW2 figures could be used in the same diorama in the Obstetrics forum I used to belong too prior to semi-retirement. I have a character flaw, as do many of us, in that I tend to mainly post when I feel something negative, there are some positive posts from me, but there are a number of negative ones. That is because when everything is good and as expected I am fine, no comment, my only comment made on the great sets is by spending my money on those pieces.

Secondly, I have the ability to hold numerous concepts, ideas, thoughts and opinions, both positive and negative, at all different levels of importance. I can have a point of view on toy soldiers and the environment, COVID, as well as many other things. Plus I know and can recognise the place/forum to bring them up and not mix the different things, which have a tenuous link at best. What I am trying to ask is what has those things such as COVID, the environment etc that you mentioned got to do, or would actually be affected, by my comments on toy soldiers. I know you live relatively far from any other country, but that is not as far away from reality your mind seems to be living.
Your comment “Dude you do yourself no favours....”, using the word ‘Dude’, what are you 12? Also “do yourself no favours....”, an irrelevant statement, as with my comments I am not trying to get any help or trying to gain any advantage. I am actually not trying to ‘help myself’, I am merely giving my point of view on the merits or lack of on toy soldiers. Look what stock phrases mean before posting comments.

The comment about brown sticky stuff was not being rude, using the words *hit or *r*p would have been and that’s why I did not use them. While my use of non-conform words or phrases was used to add a certain ‘shock’ to my point of view, as to emphasise my point and it has obviously worked. I feel that Andy is sitting on his laurels and taking advantage of his brand and reputation, taking advantage of collectors. Repeated repainted figures and tanks, obvious historical errors [D Day Brits for example], churning out the same planes just with different marking, RAF figures with post war uniforms. Simpler figures for the same price, am I the only one to notice that the Napoleonic figures come with very little equipment on them as compared to the previous releases. I am not talking about the repaints.

Others have a different viewpoint, based on their collecting, people in the US market who collect series connected to their history, such as US Civil War, Pacific, Vietnam, Cowboys, may have a different point of view, as they are seeing an increase in what to collect. While some of us who collect series like the Medieval Warriors, WW2 European, Napoleonic, English Civil War, that final series has just fell off a cliff. We have different feelings.
 
Hello

I think I need to explain something to you, see below,

Firstly, the Treefrog Forum is a discussion place for TOY SOLDIERS. Not about the environment, economics, COVID, politics or the crisis in Ukraine, none of these are its reason for existing. It is a forum where discussion, both positive and negative, takes place on our common interest. That is why I post things on this forum about toy soldiers. In the same way I would not have discussed whether or not K & C and T Gunn WW2 figures could be used in the same diorama in the Obstetrics forum I used to belong too prior to semi-retirement. I have a character flaw, as do many of us, in that I tend to mainly post when I feel something negative, there are some positive posts from me, but there are a number of negative ones. That is because when everything is good and as expected I am fine, no comment, my only comment made on the great sets is by spending my money on those pieces.

Secondly, I have the ability to hold numerous concepts, ideas, thoughts and opinions, both positive and negative, at all different levels of importance. I can have a point of view on toy soldiers and the environment, COVID, as well as many other things. Plus I know and can recognise the place/forum to bring them up and not mix the different things, which have a tenuous link at best. What I am trying to ask is what has those things such as COVID, the environment etc that you mentioned got to do, or would actually be affected, by my comments on toy soldiers. I know you live relatively far from any other country, but that is not as far away from reality your mind seems to be living.
Your comment “Dude you do yourself no favours....”, using the word ‘Dude’, what are you 12? Also “do yourself no favours....”, an irrelevant statement, as with my comments I am not trying to get any help or trying to gain any advantage. I am actually not trying to ‘help myself’, I am merely giving my point of view on the merits or lack of on toy soldiers. Look what stock phrases mean before posting comments.

The comment about brown sticky stuff was not being rude, using the words *hit or *r*p would have been and that’s why I did not use them. While my use of non-conform words or phrases was used to add a certain ‘shock’ to my point of view, as to emphasise my point and it has obviously worked. I feel that Andy is sitting on his laurels and taking advantage of his brand and reputation, taking advantage of collectors. Repeated repainted figures and tanks, obvious historical errors [D Day Brits for example], churning out the same planes just with different marking, RAF figures with post war uniforms. Simpler figures for the same price, am I the only one to notice that the Napoleonic figures come with very little equipment on them as compared to the previous releases. I am not talking about the repaints.

Others have a different viewpoint, based on their collecting, people in the US market who collect series connected to their history, such as US Civil War, Pacific, Vietnam, Cowboys, may have a different point of view, as they are seeing an increase in what to collect. While some of us who collect series like the Medieval Warriors, WW2 European, Napoleonic, English Civil War, that final series has just fell off a cliff. We have different feelings.


Hi Goldman, whoever you are…
Whatever I’m sittin’ on …it sure ain’t my ‘laurels’!!!
On one of your many ‘complaints’…What exactly are K&Cs’s ‘obvious historical errors’ in relation io our ‘D.Day British troops’ and if I’m also really ‘taking advantage of collectors’…Myself and K&C would have been out of business a long, long time ago!
Adios for now,
Andy.
 
Andy,

Sometimes it's best to ignore, nothing achieved giving them air.

From a small collector always appreciate the monthly releases even if not in the areas I collect just brightens the day.

Placed my order for the AE figures, TF002 and the Aussie VN.

Enjoy your enforced break in Texas and can't wait to see what you have dreamed up for future releases.

Lastly have only just recently discovered K&C AR range , put your mind to restarting

Mark
 
Hello

I think I need to explain something to you, see below,

Firstly, the Treefrog Forum is a discussion place for TOY SOLDIERS. Not about the environment, economics, COVID, politics or the crisis in Ukraine, none of these are its reason for existing. It is a forum where discussion, both positive and negative, takes place on our common interest. That is why I post things on this forum about toy soldiers. In the same way I would not have discussed whether or not K & C and T Gunn WW2 figures could be used in the same diorama in the Obstetrics forum I used to belong too prior to semi-retirement. I have a character flaw, as do many of us, in that I tend to mainly post when I feel something negative, there are some positive posts from me, but there are a number of negative ones. That is because when everything is good and as expected I am fine, no comment, my only comment made on the great sets is by spending my money on those pieces.

Secondly, I have the ability to hold numerous concepts, ideas, thoughts and opinions, both positive and negative, at all different levels of importance. I can have a point of view on toy soldiers and the environment, COVID, as well as many other things. Plus I know and can recognise the place/forum to bring them up and not mix the different things, which have a tenuous link at best. What I am trying to ask is what has those things such as COVID, the environment etc that you mentioned got to do, or would actually be affected, by my comments on toy soldiers. I know you live relatively far from any other country, but that is not as far away from reality your mind seems to be living.
Your comment “Dude you do yourself no favours....”, using the word ‘Dude’, what are you 12? Also “do yourself no favours....”, an irrelevant statement, as with my comments I am not trying to get any help or trying to gain any advantage. I am actually not trying to ‘help myself’, I am merely giving my point of view on the merits or lack of on toy soldiers. Look what stock phrases mean before posting comments.

The comment about brown sticky stuff was not being rude, using the words *hit or *r*p would have been and that’s why I did not use them. While my use of non-conform words or phrases was used to add a certain ‘shock’ to my point of view, as to emphasise my point and it has obviously worked. I feel that Andy is sitting on his laurels and taking advantage of his brand and reputation, taking advantage of collectors. Repeated repainted figures and tanks, obvious historical errors [D Day Brits for example], churning out the same planes just with different marking, RAF figures with post war uniforms. Simpler figures for the same price, am I the only one to notice that the Napoleonic figures come with very little equipment on them as compared to the previous releases. I am not talking about the repaints.

Others have a different viewpoint, based on their collecting, people in the US market who collect series connected to their history, such as US Civil War, Pacific, Vietnam, Cowboys, may have a different point of view, as they are seeing an increase in what to collect. While some of us who collect series like the Medieval Warriors, WW2 European, Napoleonic, English Civil War, that final series has just fell off a cliff. We have different feelings.

.........You clearly stated you were having a 'whinge'. Good for you, you're intitled to have a wee moan, however being rude and obnoxious is where I draw the line.

Constructed criticism is always welcome on TF despite what Scott may allude too.

Not sure you nailed it with your 'shock' phrases other than to cause a few ripples maybe, I wouldn't flatter yourself too much in that regard.

If all your concerned about is a few 'repaints' at the moment you're clearly doing better than many.

And in the words of Andy its adios from me....I'm going to go back to enjoying K&C and TS in general. :salute::
 
Andy,

Sometimes it's best to ignore, nothing achieved giving them air.

From a small collector always appreciate the monthly releases even if not in the areas I collect just brightens the day.

Placed my order for the AE figures, TF002 and the Aussie VN.

Enjoy your enforced break in Texas and can't wait to see what you have dreamed up for future releases.

Lastly have only just recently discovered K&C AR range , put your mind to restarting

Mark


G’Day Mark,
Greetings once more from beautiful San Antonio and many thanks for your thoughts.

While I truly appreciate your view on this issue and those of many of the others who have taken part in the discussion I want to be able to answer and reply in my own way when someone (or anyone indeed) makes what I believe to be false or disparaging statements about myself and/or K&C products.

Most guys who have met me in person, yourself included, know that I enjoy and appreciate the ‘cut and thrust’ of friendly discussions and disagreements about all aspects of politics, history and toy soldiers…K&C included on this and other forums.

It would, in my opinion, be a sadder and less-spirited forum if , just occasionally, I didn’t respond to some of the more outrageous comments from some of our more vocal critics and self-appointed experts!

All the best mate and thanks for your patience…
Andy.
 
I collect exclusively French & Indian War and American Revolution and King & Country's series on the latter are among my personal favourite; I have close to 500 figures from the 1776 series all told. I really hope Andy revisits this line; repaints do seem the current method of operation which does work quite well as a simple change of facings colour depicts a different regiment.

In any case, keep up the awesome work K&C. I always enjoy seeing the new products you churn out.
 
Yet another thread where someone who made a critique comes under fire from all angles.

The world moves on and adapts, but not the forum.

I agree, no one is answering the fundamental premise of the opinions of the post, just having a go at the person. There are a lot of people on this forum who should take a serious look at themselves for their behaviour on the forum. Reminds me of early teen girls having a ***** about that nasty boy who was rude to their friend. Fundamentally there is a reason why this happens on K & C threads and not the leading toy soldier manufacturers such as JJD and TGM. K & C make errors, but unlike other manufacturers, Andy does not address them, simply refuses to admit they are errors through his silence. Compared to manufacturers such as TGM, they had a question on the footwear of their future Roman Germanic tribesmen, Blake answered and addressed the enquiry and that was it.

Andy relies on the forum ‘K & C Zombies’ to deflect and load on to anyone who dares to say anything negative. No legitimate answers to the questions.

We have seen a reduction in K & C releases, not an argument point, just a statement, look at the stats, what does not speak, does not lie.

For me Andy has done more for the Toy Soldier collector and market than anyone else in the last 30 years, his impact on it is immeasurable. I do not think there would be people making TS today if it was not for him, he for me has through the history of K & C build a worldwide TS market, which others have joined to provide us with an array in terms of quality, era, conflicts, wars and battles that collectors in the past could only dream of. I do not know how he keeps going, he is not spring chicken, plus when you talk to him you can tell he loves what he does, so is not really a job as such. Or maybe the wife does not want him ‘under her feet’ all day. Last sentence was a joke.

My personal collection stretches from Trojan, through Roman, Saxon/Viking, the Crusades, Aztec, Napoleonic, WW1 and WW2. As cash straight insurance amount, my collection’s value for insurance is more than the house in which I live. See picture for 3 of my 17 cabinets, the largest room in my hose hold my collection. When I get down to it I will look at stating a thread with pics of full collection, as I enjoy seeing collectors ranges. The only thing putting me off is uploading photos, it takes ages and i can never get them the right size.

There are many errors in K & C ranges, which can be expected due to the amount released in the last 20 years. I have a little list, as some really bug me while others are just a shrug of shoulders, but the ultimate is whether I buy or not, some I have, other I would not at all.

Therefore, if someone is critical why not argue your points with facts or alternative points of view, with support evidence. Not throw a tantrum like a stroppy teen girl.

If this forum discussion was over a beer or a brew it would be less confrontational and combative, we are social animals and these forums are not real, as we as humans lose many of the social senses etc we would have if we were face to face.
 

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I agree, no one is answering the fundamental premise of the opinions of the post, just having a go at the person. There are a lot of people on this forum who should take a serious look at themselves for their behaviour on the forum. Reminds me of early teen girls having a ***** about that nasty boy who was rude to their friend. Fundamentally there is a reason why this happens on K & C threads and not the leading toy soldier manufacturers such as JJD and TGM. K & C make errors, but unlike other manufacturers, Andy does not address them, simply refuses to admit they are errors through his silence. Compared to manufacturers such as TGM, they had a question on the footwear of their future Roman Germanic tribesmen, Blake answered and addressed the enquiry and that was it.

Andy relies on the forum ‘K & C Zombies’ to deflect and load on to anyone who dares to say anything negative. No legitimate answers to the questions.

We have seen a reduction in K & C releases, not an argument point, just a statement, look at the stats, what does not speak, does not lie.

For me Andy has done more for the Toy Soldier collector and market than anyone else in the last 30 years, his impact on it is immeasurable. I do not think there would be people making TS today if it was not for him, he for me has through the history of K & C build a worldwide TS market, which others have joined to provide us with an array in terms of quality, era, conflicts, wars and battles that collectors in the past could only dream of. I do not know how he keeps going, he is not spring chicken, plus when you talk to him you can tell he loves what he does, so is not really a job as such. Or maybe the wife does not want him ‘under her feet’ all day. Last sentence was a joke.

My personal collection stretches from Trojan, through Roman, Saxon/Viking, the Crusades, Aztec, Napoleonic, WW1 and WW2. As cash straight insurance amount, my collection’s value for insurance is more than the house in which I live. See picture for 3 of my 17 cabinets, the largest room in my hose hold my collection. When I get down to it I will look at stating a thread with pics of full collection, as I enjoy seeing collectors ranges. The only thing putting me off is uploading photos, it takes ages and i can never get them the right size.

There are many errors in K & C ranges, which can be expected due to the amount released in the last 20 years. I have a little list, as some really bug me while others are just a shrug of shoulders, but the ultimate is whether I buy or not, some I have, other I would not at all.

Therefore, if someone is critical why not argue your points with facts or alternative points of view, with support evidence. Not throw a tantrum like a stroppy teen girl.

If this forum discussion was over a beer or a brew it would be less confrontational and combative, we are social animals and these forums are not real, as we as humans lose many of the social senses etc we would have if we were face to face.


Last time I looked my friend I was one of the very few ‘makers of toy soldiers’ who actually takes the time and trouble to play an active part in this particular forum.
On the ‘mistakes’ issue…of course we have made mistakes on some occasions over the years…I would dispute your assertion that there are as many as you suggest. If there were, surely we would have gone ‘down the tubes’ a long time ago!
As for Andy relying on a horde of faithful ‘zombies’ to fight his battles…As a former ‘Bootneck’ I am still, even at this advanced age, fully capable of standing up for myself and dealing effectively with the occasional ‘sniper’!
Adios Amigo,
Andy.
 
To be honest, I would have liked to see some new Afrika Korps & British 8th.

But do like the ‘Rafter Man’ & Aussie taking a smoke figures. I’ll be picking those up.

Also, good to see the expansion of the Falklands range.
 
Barkmann
"Fundamentally there is a reason why this happens on K & C threads and not the leading toy soldier manufacturers such as JJD and TGM"

A poor jab at King & Country, Being in business since 1984 and going strong today, No Zombies here fella !
 
Am loving the 83rd, its so great to have some new ACW.
also so happy about the new Apache. There were never enough of them.......and they do have great shirts!
Jas
 
J. Ford mounted US cavalry required in fighting and charging poses.



Francisco:salute::
 
J. Ford mounted US cavalry required in fighting and charging poses.



Francisco:salute::

[FONT=&quot]I'm a fan of King & Country's The Real West range. The fact that the Indians look more like they appeared in the classic westerns than they did in reality is not a problem for me at all. On the contrary, I even prefer it. I don't need an unfit chief Big Belly on my private prairie. The only thing I criticize is that the mounted US Cavalry soldiers who are not part of the 7th US Cavalry only have pistols but no rifles. How are these King & Country cavalrymen supposed to fight when their colleagues from the 7th US Cavalry don't have a chance against the Indians even with rifles? Apart from that I am very satisfied with King & Country. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

Sam
 
I'm a fan of King & Country's The Real West range. The fact that the Indians look more like they appeared in the classic westerns than they did in reality is not a problem for me at all. On the contrary, I even prefer it. I don't need an unfit chief Big Belly on my private prairie. The only thing I criticize is that the mounted US Cavalry soldiers who are not part of the 7th US Cavalry only have pistols but no rifles. How are these King & Country cavalrymen supposed to fight when their colleagues from the 7th US Cavalry don't have a chance against the Indians even with rifles? Apart from that I am very satisfied with King & Country.

Sam

I'd like to see this range expanded every year, in some way or another. I think K&C has dominance and momentum here and should keep it.

Awesome trip Andy!
Best to our Great Southern Friends (of all States),

Paddy The Yankee
 

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