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Haven't had any of Limited conversations for awhile. Those are real fun:eek:
 
Capitolron said:
I represent KMW (Krauss-Maffeit Wegmann) - A German Armor Company - the current producers of the Leopard Tank (used by many NATO Countries) and in the past - WWII - producer of the TIGER TANK and many other heavey Armor Weapons for the Germany during the War.Ron
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Ron,

Do they have a museum, so to speak, of weapons they produced like the Tiger. If they do, that must be quite interesting. Have you been over there?
 
I'm sure there are collectors who collect LAH just because they like the way they look as toy soldiers. But I'm also sure there are people who collect LAH because they admire Hitler and the Nazis. There are people like that out there. That's what disturbs me about LAH. Just because there's a market out there for them doesn't mean they should be produced. There would probably be a market for KKK figures too. It could be an offshoot of Civil War figures. Would anyone like to see them? It would make a colorful display. You could make a Grand Wizard figure and riders on horseback carrying torches, cross burning ceremony maybe a lynching party? Pretty offensive right? LAH is the same thing.
 
jazzeum said:
Haven't had any of Limited conversations for awhile. Those are real fun:eek:
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:) Yeah they are fun!.Maybe we will get a limited edition this summer so we can all have another fun debate:D

Rob
 
jazzeum said:
Ron,

Do they have a museum, so to speak, of weapons they produced like the Tiger. If they do, that must be quite interesting. Have you been over there?
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NO - they try real hard not to mention that fact and even when I went through a Company Oreintation at the HQ in Munch - the timeline in their presentation starts at 1848 with Locomotives and then there are gaps from 1914 - 1918 and 1935 - 1946 when they list their products and history - these gaps that are listed as "Political Crisis Period".

But, when you go to their plant in Kassel - where the Tigers were made - you can still see the underground bunkers where they were produced. Interesting.
 
You know - we do need more Strictly Limited releases. Maybe even have them limited to 250?
 
That's a pity in a way. When I was at Nuremberg and went to see the parade grounds, they were not being maintained and are slowly decaying, which is a shame. It may not be the best history but it is history and it's a shame to see them falling apart.
 
Rob said:
:) Yeah they are fun!.Maybe we will get a limited edition this summer so we can all have another fun debate:D

Rob
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Just imagine! A Strictly Limited Arnhem Jeep. Only 250 available. :)
 
Capitolron said:
Rob

You are right ! We dont need a Hollywood version of history to hate the British........

The real history will do just fine :eek:


hahahaahaha - just kidding...:D :D :D

Ron
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Rob

I cant even get you to bite on this?????????

:D
 
Eazy said:
LOL

Don't mention tank tracks! You mentioned it once but I think you got away with it.

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So it's all forgotten now and let's hear no more about it...

This all leads up to my favorite Fawlty Towers quote of all time:

German: "Will you stop mentioning the war?"
Basil: " You started it."
German: " We did not start it."
Basil: " Yes you did, you invaded Poland!"
 
Shannon Reuss said:
So it's all forgotten now and let's hear no more about it...

This all leads up to my favorite Fawlty Towers quote of all time:

German: "Will you stop mentioning the war?"
Basil: " You started it."
German: " We did not start it."
Basil: " Yes you did, you invaded Poland!"
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:D Classic stuff!!
 
Eazy said:
Just imagine! A Strictly Limited Arnhem Jeep. Only 250 available. :)
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Now you've said it!.Yeah that would be cool, but more than 250 i think.Unless i can get hold of number 001.;) !

Rob
 
One of the undercurrents that seems to run throughout this thread and which I've seen elsewhere is that there was a difference between the SS and the Wehrmacht. There was, it is alleged, a myth that the German army in WWII fought a relatively clean fight, unsullied by the atrocities committed by the Nazi SS. At least in the Eastern front this was not true.

What follows is a synopsis that I took from Amazon of this important book, "Wehrmacht: History, Myth and Reality, " written by Worfram Wette, a historian at the University of Freiburg:

"Wette makes the points that contends that the Nazi vision of a racial-ideological death struggle against Slavic hordes and their Jewish-Bolshevik commissars resonated with German officers steeped in traditional anti-Semitic and racist dogmas. Nazi propaganda also swayed millions of soldiers, inuring them to the brutality they would witness and (with a few honorable exceptions, duly noted) participate in. Wette notes that the Wehrmacht assisted the SS extermination program, conducted its own mass killings of civilians and castigated the Italian army for refusing to persecute Jews."
 
The Wermacht were just as bad as the SS. There is no alternative military history of teh war that excludes the holocaust. Micheal Burleigh's book on the Third Reich is great and shows just how murderous the whole thing was. It makes no sense not to collect LAH but to collect the rest of teh German armed forces. The eastern Front was particulalry horrible. I must agree with Brad on this one
 
I was watching the other night the History Channel Series on World War I - it was interesting to note that the Kaiser and German Military required all Eastern Europeans to be deloused before they could come into Germany during the War. The feelings of "sub-humans" even ran back then (1914-1918) in the German Military.

Ron
 
damian said:
The Wermacht were just as bad as the SS. There is no alternative military history of teh war that excludes the holocaust. Micheal Burleigh's book on the Third Reich is great and shows just how murderous the whole thing was. It makes no sense not to collect LAH but to collect the rest of teh German armed forces. The eastern Front was particulalry horrible. I must agree with Brad on this one
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Lets be careful not to pull out the big brushes on the entire German Military. There was bad on all sides - but, not all were bad. There were twice as many Wermacht Officers who handeled themselves as Professional Officers - than compared to the SS. It took a special breed to be an SS Officer and Trooper.
 
The Imperial Geramn army shot a lot of civilians in Belgium but was not anti-Semitic. AT Verdun there are many Geramn Jewish graves. Many Jewish veterans did not flee Hitler because they considered themselves to be German. The Wermacht behaved badly during the war. I would not draw much of a distinction between the Wermacht and the SS. The Eintzengruppne who shot Jewish civilans in the early days of the holocuats were not SS. Michale Burleighs book won a prize in 2001 and it is really good on clearing this up. There is no clean alternative history of teh war that excludes the holocaust I am afraid
 
Damian's points are valid although the Einsatzgruppen were in fact SS. However, the backbone of the German military were Prussian and they were anti-semitic. There had been many Jewish veterans (including officers) in World War I but they were forced out of the military, to cleanse as it were.
 
If you are saying that the German army behaved badly because they killed civilians then I'd have to say you must be blind to the fact that in "modern'" war, Civilians ARE targets. The Americans and the British killed way more "innocents" than the germans killed of there "innocents" Spare me the "we did it cause they did it" aurgument, before any war ends civilians ALWAYS become legitimate targets.
NOTE: I am not endorsing the practice, merely stateing the obvious, Ethnic cleansing is a whole different subject, but as i said before, it has, is, and will be a reality for longer than I will live, it is going on today as we speak. While the Nazi were one of the best (not the best, I believe the Soviets topped them) at the practice, there's factions out there today that promise even greater slaughter in the name of any number of causes.
Ray
 
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