M1A1 Carbines (2 Viewers)

[King & Country]

Hi Guys,
Many thanks to all of you who noted that both kinds of M1A1 Carbines were present before, during and after D.Day.
Our young friend Scott is indeed a dedicated WW2 reenactor ... But as those of us who have actually served in the ‘real military’ know the variations in weapons and kit used by soldiers in the field vary considerably from what are sometimes laid down in the regulation manuals.
In WW2 this was even more so than today. So Scott ... don’t get your “knickers in a twist” and check carefully before you ‘mouth off’ at others. In the meantime ... happy collecting and best wishes,
Andy

P.S. I am also the proud owner of a real, genuine WW2 M1A1 Carbine (with a wooden stock) which I keep with K&C’s cofounder and fellow director Mrs. Laura Johnson, in San Antonio, Texas.
Laura owns a ranch an hour south of San Antonio and that’s where I get to shoot this great little weapon every time I am ‘Stateside.
As a former Royal Marine I can attest that it’s a fun weapon to shoot and as an alternative to a sidearm it’s the perfect weapon for a junior officer.
However, if I was ever in a real, live “shooting war” again I would definitely prefer the heavier and more deadly M1 “Garand” or my old personal weapon ... the 7.62 FN Self Loading Rifle!

 

[wayne556517]

My weapon of choice Andy and 1 i enjoyed firing a million times.

L1A1 Self-Loading Rifle or SLR.

Specifications
Weight 4.337 kg (9.56 lbs) empty[2]

Length 1,143 mm (45 in)

Barrel length 554.4 mm (21.7 in)

Cartridge 7.62×51mm NATO

Action Gas-operated, tilting breechblock

Rate of fire Semi automatic (L1A1, C1A1)

Full Automatic (L2A1, C2A1) 675-750RPM

Muzzle velocity 823 m/s (2,700 ft/s)

Effective firing range 800 m (875 yds) (Effective range)

Feed system 20- or 30-round detachable box magazine

Sights Aperture rear sight, post front sight

I remember going to Schofield Barracks to train with our Americans mates and they could no believe the kick and the power of this rifle,most enjoyed firing it but quite a few got a black eye from its kick.

 

[LTC PaulN]

From the Firearm Personality Indicator Chart:

 

[Jack]

Hi Guys,
Many thanks to all of you who noted that both kinds of M1A1 Carbines were present before, during and after D.Day.
Our young friend Scott is indeed a dedicated WW2 reenactor ... But as those of us who have actually served in the ‘real military’ know the variations in weapons and kit used by soldiers in the field vary considerably from what are sometimes laid down in the regulation manuals.
In WW2 this was even more so than today. So Scott ... don’t get your “knickers in a twist” and check carefully before you ‘mouth off’ at others. In the meantime ... happy collecting and best wishes,
Andy

P.S. I am also the proud owner of a real, genuine WW2 M1A1 Carbine (with a wooden stock) which I keep with K&C’s cofounder and fellow director Mrs. Laura Johnson, in San Antonio, Texas.
Laura owns a ranch an hour south of San Antonio and that’s where I get to shoot this great little weapon every time I am ‘Stateside.
As a former Royal Marine I can attest that it’s a fun weapon to shoot and as an alternative to a sidearm it’s the perfect weapon for a junior officer.
However, if I was ever in a real, live “shooting war” again I would definitely prefer the heavier and more deadly M1 “Garand” or my old personal weapon ... the 7.62 FN Self Loading Rifle!

Is it legal to own a rifle like this in Texas?^&grin

 

[jazzeum]

Is it legal to own a rifle like this in Texas?^&grin

It's probably illegal not to! {eek3}

 

[Vicknor]

Very strange thread and one that should fall under the guidelines that have been stickied regarding attitude to posters.

I'm a KnC man through and through but emotional posts like this shouldn't be on here

Picklehaub firmly on

 

[jazzeum]

I have to disagree Vicknor. I thought Andy's reaction was rather tame.

I'm wondering if you saw Scott's original post in the Dispatches thread; that was what Andy was responding to.

Brad

 

[Vicknor]

I have to disagree Vicknor. I thought Andy's reaction was rather tame.

I'm wondering if you saw Scott's original post in the Dispatches thread; that was what Andy was responding to.

Brad

I did indeed and it was a somewhat 'in-caps' childish over-reaction to KnC's nice new release of which I was man-handling in the shop yesterday.

However, and this may be controversial for the fan-Boys on here of which I claim membership, but petty name calling and and points scoring all in BOLD and especially the 'real military' part is not the way to respond. Neither is opening a new thread.

Many of us are business men/owners on here and I'd be mortified if I had allowed 20 odd words to affect me so much.

However, forums are for keyboard warriors, soldiers and more.

 

[binder001]

Andy - today's trivia; it's only an M1A1 if it has the folding stock, otherwise your carbine is an M1. There were M2 carbines but they were selective fire and only a very few saw service in WW2 (although they were common in Korea and Vietnam).

I'm just quite happy that we finally got collectible figure makers to stop putting the bayonet lug on carbines. That was a feature adopted very late in WW2 and few, if any, reached combat troops before the end of hostilities.

I agree that the FN-designed FAL is a really fine rifle! My son borrowed one from a friend and I got to run a few magazines of 7.62mm ball ammo through it. Quite a kick, but really not as bad as the M1 rifle. I wonder how hard they were to control in the selective fire versions? It really is a nice rifle. The FAL, as the US Army T48, was in direct competition with the T47 that was adopted as the M14. The T48 was better in many ways but T47 won because in was designed HERE

Gary B.

 

[Napoleon1er]

I, too, have an M1 carbine, and it is a fun piece. Mine is early Korean War, but I have both a WWII stock and a repro M1A1 stock.
A WWII vet I know carried one as an ADA officer on D-Day, and he hated the thing. He said it was far to weak to do any damage to the entrenched Germans. On the other hand, a Vietnam vet I know carried one as a signal officer who traveled to the front lines a lot. He loved it, as he had very little training with rifles and just needed a light side arm.
I would love to own an FN FAL, but original ones are hard to come by here. At military school, we carried M1s, which were a bit heavy to drill with but were great to shoot.

 

[Baymax]

You actually don't have an M1A1 one if you look at the rifle designation with stock and without. that would negate ''real military'' knowledge over that of ''re-enactors''

Hi Guys,
Many thanks to all of you who noted that both kinds of M1A1 Carbines were present before, during and after D.Day.
Our young friend Scott is indeed a dedicated WW2 reenactor ... But as those of us who have actually served in the ‘real military’ know the variations in weapons and kit used by soldiers in the field vary considerably from what are sometimes laid down in the regulation manuals.
In WW2 this was even more so than today. So Scott ... don’t get your “knickers in a twist” and check carefully before you ‘mouth off’ at others. In the meantime ... happy collecting and best wishes,
Andy

P.S. I am also the proud owner of a real, genuine WW2 M1A1 Carbine (with a wooden stock) which I keep with K&C’s cofounder and fellow director Mrs. Laura Johnson, in San Antonio, Texas.
Laura owns a ranch an hour south of San Antonio and that’s where I get to shoot this great little weapon every time I am ‘Stateside.
As a former Royal Marine I can attest that it’s a fun weapon to shoot and as an alternative to a sidearm it’s the perfect weapon for a junior officer.
However, if I was ever in a real, live “shooting war” again I would definitely prefer the heavier and more deadly M1 “Garand” or my old personal weapon ... the 7.62 FN Self Loading Rifle!

 

[Colonel RNZIR]

Hi Guys,
Many thanks to all of you who noted that both kinds of M1A1 Carbines were present before, during and after D.Day.
Our young friend Scott is indeed a dedicated WW2 reenactor ... But as those of us who have actually served in the ‘real military’ know the variations in weapons and kit used by soldiers in the field vary considerably from what are sometimes laid down in the regulation manuals.
In WW2 this was even more so than today. So Scott ... don’t get your “knickers in a twist” and check carefully before you ‘mouth off’ at others. In the meantime ... happy collecting and best wishes,
Andy

P.S. I am also the proud owner of a real, genuine WW2 M1A1 Carbine (with a wooden stock) which I keep with K&C’s cofounder and fellow director Mrs. Laura Johnson, in San Antonio, Texas.
Laura owns a ranch an hour south of San Antonio and that’s where I get to shoot this great little weapon every time I am ‘Stateside.
As a former Royal Marine I can attest that it’s a fun weapon to shoot and as an alternative to a sidearm it’s the perfect weapon for a junior officer.
However, if I was ever in a real, live “shooting war” again I would definitely prefer the heavier and more deadly M1 “Garand” or my old personal weapon ... the 7.62 FN Self Loading Rifle!

I was very fortunate to have the privilege of training on the SLR, when I first joined the NZDF
I started with the American M16 which is aptly named tonka toy, because it had no stopping power what soever.
The effect of a 7.62mm round is devastating.
There doesn't appear to be very many here who have recently served in the Real Military.

 

[LTC PaulN]

I was very fortunate to have the privilege of training on the SLR, when I first joined the NZDF
I started with the American M16 which is aptly named tonka toy, because it had no stopping power what soever.
The effect of a 7.62mm round is devastating.
There doesn't appear to be very many here who have recently served in the Real Military.

Define "the Real Military" please, Sir.

 

[bridport]

Define "the Real Military" please, Sir.

It seems some think that toy soldiers are only for those who chose to join the "real" military?
I've ever heard anything so ridiculous. There's a lot of people need to grow up out there and remember... It's just a love of history and toy soldiers. Nothing more.
Keep your discussions on assault weapons to some other niche forum.

 

[Terp152]

Define "the Real Military" please, Sir.

Certainly, US Air Force. ^&grin Chris

 

[Terp152]

Like Texas, we take our shooting sports seriously here in Ol' Kentucky. Some of my collection I take to the ranges occasionally, ignore the bayonet lugs. :wink2: Chris

 

[Panzer ace]

It is interesting to note the choice of weaponry on some of the King & Country figures. I suppose that this is one of the "great" debates for the design team when deciding what armaments to add to a particular figure.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

I was very fortunate to have the privilege of training on the SLR, when I first joined the NZDF
I started with the American M16 which is aptly named tonka toy, because it had no stopping power what soever.
The effect of a 7.62mm round is devastating.
There doesn't appear to be very many here who have recently served in the Real Military.

I think I was in the Real Military. Spent 20 years in the U.S. Army ....combat arms the entire time. 4 campaigns as well....Border security on the former East German border.......
Gulf War..... Armored combat...... Bosnia.......Locked and Loaded peace keeping mission. Afghanistan right after 9/11......Tora Bora Region......
Andy was making a comparison between those that do Military Reenacting and those that have in real life walked the walk and can.....Talk the Talk.

Wayne

 

[Jack]

I think I was in the Real Military. Spent 20 years in the U.S. Army ....combat arms the entire time. 4 campaigns as well....Border security on the former East German border.......
Gulf War..... Armored combat...... Bosnia.......Locked and Loaded peace keeping mission. Afghanistan right after 9/11......Tora Bora Region......
Andy was making a comparison between those that do Military Reenacting and those that have in real life walked the walk and can.....Talk the Talk.

Wayne

Wayne

I taught for some years in a girls' school during which I had to teach a unit on puberty. I think you got off lightly!{sm4}

Jack

 

[Panzer ace]

Like Texas, we take our shooting sports seriously here in Ol' Kentucky. Some of my collection I take to the ranges occasionally, ignore the bayonet lugs. :wink2: Chris

Nice pic!

Who makes the boat that is partially pictured on the shelf?