N.f.l. 2012 (1 Viewer)

maddadicus said:
In the good old days, an elbow to the head always slowed down most receivers as well as cut blocks, clotheslines, and kicking and biting. Too bad they dummied down the game. Most of the past Hall of Famers can only shake their heads at the timidity of todays product..:rolleyes: Michael
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Very true. Larry Wilson, Paul Krausse, Night Train Lane, and gang would solve the coverage problems. -- Al
 
Just when you thought you were rid of Rex, some players decide they want to be like him:

Ray Lewis: [to Patriots] "you're not playing the Broncos." Well, Rex did coach there so maybe it's catching ^&grin

Antrell Rolle: “We don’t want to say we are unstoppable. Our mindset is extreme at this point. We are not going to be denied, that is our mindset. I may be a little biased, but in our minds we know we can’t be beat. That’s the approach we are taking week in, week out.” The Giants and Jets do play in the same stadium so maybe there's something going around {eek3}

Steve Weatherford (who did play for the Jets last year): “We believe the only people who can stop us is us.”

Rex must be happy :smile2:
 
Combat said:
The Giants are killing me on the picks. Third week is the charm though. I'm going with the 49ers at home. Before last week, I might have taken the Ravens over the Pats. But if a third string QB can make a close game of it in Baltimore, what is Brady going to do at home? I'm still on the fence with that one. Should be a good game, but I'm doubting the Ravens D can win it without some help from their terrible O.
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hahaha...I'm not sure it's time to jump ship yet...especially because of a (Houston's) 3rd string qb's efforts against the Ravens defense...

Yate's qb rating was a paltry 28.8...with 3 interceptions...17 of 35 for 184 yards...48.6% passing completions...prettae bad...prettae, prettae, pretae bad...

it certainly wasn't a close game because of a 3rd sting quarterback...

Houston has a fantastic defense and rushing game...that's why it was close...Baltimore could not muster 100 yards on the ground against Houston...

the Pats defense is one of the worst in the NFL...

with that being said...they can outscore anybody left when they get rolling...
 
jazzeum said:
Just when you thought you were rid of Rex, some players decide they want to be like him:

Ray Lewis: [to Patriots] "you're not playing the Broncos." Well, Rex did coach there so maybe it's catching ^&grin

Antrell Rolle: “We don’t want to say we are unstoppable. Our mindset is extreme at this point. We are not going to be denied, that is our mindset. I may be a little biased, but in our minds we know we can’t be beat. That’s the approach we are taking week in, week out.” The Giants and Jets do play in the same stadium so maybe there's something going around {eek3}

Steve Weatherford (who did play for the Jets last year): “We believe the only people who can stop us is us.”

Rex must be happy :smile2:
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I really wish players would do their talking with their play on the field. I've always hated trash talk in the media. Last time I checked, games are won and lost on the field, not at pre-game interviews. Let the media and the fans do the talking and prognosticating, after all, it won't get in the way of our preparation for the games on Sunday.:rolleyes2:
 
Actually, I think the comments are somewhat funny. Antrell is a cocky type, don't know if you've ever heard of his weekly spots on WFAN. He's actually due to be on today at 1205pm.

I think the Ray Lewis quote, however, might tick off the Pats a little bit. You'll never catch the Pats saying anything though; Belicheck doesn't believe in that.
 
Interesting fact: Bill Leavy, the referee responsible for the bad calls, all of which went in favor of the Packers (and which directly led to two touchdowns and forced a Giants punt inside of the 50 yard line), in the Giants victory last Sunday, was the same referee whom the league formally appologized for blowing a series of calls, all in favor of the Pittsburg Steelers, in their Superbowl victory over the Seatle Seahawks a few years ago. Hmmmm. The referee throws a series of calls in favor of the Steelers, which the league later admits were all bad calls, and then he throws 3 calls in favor of the Packers Sunday. I wonder if Bill Leavy has any friends who reside in the Los Vegas area . . . :rolleyes2:

Oh, and by the way, a league representative inferred that the Fox crew (Joe Buck and Troy Aikman) who called the Giants-Packers game were unfamiliar with the rules, and erroneously believed the Packer's knee had to be down. However, the replay Fox showed conclusively demonstrated that the ball was coming loose before the Packer's calf or any other body part hit the ground, and Mike Periera, the former NFL head of officiating indicated while it was "a judgment call" in his judgment it was a fumble. It didn't matter, because the Giants won anyway, but it would behoove the NFL to keep Bill Leavy from refing anything but pre-season games from now on.^&grin
 
From the ridiculous to the sublime:

On ESPN Mike Mazzeo and Rich Cimini are debating whether Eli Manning is better than Peyton Manning. Look, I am a huge Giants fan, and Eli has carried the team this season, but are they serious? Peyton has not played well in the post season (he is 9-10, 1-1 in Superbowls, and his statistics are way down from the regular season) but he is arguably one of the top 5 quarterbacks of all time. Eli is arguable one of the top 5 quarterbacks playing this season, but he is not even in the top 25 all time.

That being said, ask me again in three weeks. If (and its a big if, as much as I have confidence, the 49ers, Ravens or Patriots are all tough teams that could beat the Giants on any given Sunday) he wins a second Superbowl (especially if he beats Tom Brady, another one of the top 5 QB's of all time, for a second time) he becomes only the 11th starting QB in league history to hoist the Lombardy Trophy more than once (Bart Star, Bob Griese, Terry Bradshaw, Roger Stauback, Jim Plunkett, Joe Montana, Troy Aikman, John Elway, Tom Brady, Ben Roesthlisberger) - a club Peyton is not a member of - and has an 8-3 playoff mark, the argument can be made that Eli is better because it took Peyton Manning 9 NFL seasons to win his first Superbowl, while Eli won two in his first 8 seasons.

I however, would not make it. If Eli keeps playing like he did this season for the remainder of his career, and plays as long as Peyton has played, and keeps up his iron man record (now that Peyton missed a season with injuries, Eli is the reigning NFL iron man with 174 consecutive starts), and at some point along the way wins at least 1 MVP, and plays in and wins at least one more Superbowl, then, and only then would I elevate him to Peyton's status. That being said, at the end of the day, as a fan, I would rather have a QB with 2 Superbowl wins than a QB with only 1 ring and all the fancy regular season stats in the world.
 
In case you don't know it but starting tonight the weather forecast in SF is rain, rain and more rain. It's predicted to rain through Saturday. What you can then look for is a soggy field. As a dry track favors a passing team like the Giants who can't run the ball in any kind of weather, if the predictions hold true, this may give the nod to the Niners who have a very good runner in Frank "the incovenient truth" Gore.

Look for one of those old fashioned NFL games where the Giants won't be wearing white but brown mud ^&grin
 
jazzeum said:
In case you don't know it but starting tonight the weather forecast in SF is rain, rain and more rain. It's predicted to rain through Saturday. What you can then look for is a soggy field. As a dry track favors a passing team like the Giants who can't run the ball in any kind of weather, if the predictions hold true, this may give the nod to the Niners who have a very good runner in Frank "the incovenient truth" Gore.

Look for one of those old fashioned NFL games where the Giants won't be wearing white but brown mud ^&grin
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Actually, accoring to Chris Collinsworth, the wet track totally favors the Giants, as the 49ers are a speed defense (they have the fastest front 7 in football), who will lose their defensive advantage on a sloppy field. It will be the Giants, whose larger, slower offensive linemen will be better able to both open holes for their 260 pound running back and to stop the speed rushing and stunting 49ers front 7 in pass protection, who will benefit from the sloppy field according to Collinsworth. Collinsworth also indicated that the Giants big play receivers, who know when and where they are going to cut, will have the edge over the 49ers d-backs, who have to react on a the sloppy footing, rather than chosing when and where to cut.
 
I frankly don't see that, plus I never much agree with Collinsworth anyway; he's a bit screwy. If Simms says it, then I might believe.

On a muddy field, players who are pushing off like the defenders on both teams and the receivers will be at a disadvantage. Yes, offensive linemen will have the advantage but a running game will be a must and whatever weather you have the Giants just can't run and it's not a big part of their game. Take the receivers and it's a 49er nod.
 
jazzeum said:
I frankly don't see that, plus I never much agree with Collinsworth anyway; he's a bit screwy. If Simms says it, then I might believe.

On a muddy field, players who are pushing off like the defenders on both teams and the receivers will be at a disadvantage. Yes, offensive linemen will have the advantage but a running game will be a must and whatever weather you have the Giants just can't run and it's not a big part of their game. Take the receivers and it's a 49er nod.
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Collinsworth is the only commentator on any television network who said the Giants could beat the Patriots in 2007, so I tend to go with his opinion. In any event, did you ever play football, Brad? I only did in highschool, but I remember as a defensive back, hating to play on a slippery, muddy, wet or torn up field, because I could not choose when to plant or cut, while the receiver could. I never played on the defensive line, so cannot speak to Collinsworth's points from experience, but I can tell you that it makes sense to me: if you are trying to be a speed rusher on the outside, or stunting on the interior where you need to use your speed to get around your line-mate, who has engaged the offensive lineman who would ordinarily block you, I could see poor footing as really throwing you off your game. I think it would have a similar effect on the Giants defensive ends, but the Giants defenders can use Canty and Linvall Joseph on the inside to bull rush, while, from what I have seen of the Niners, with the exception of one lineman, they are much more about speed than power when it comes to their pass rush.
 
JMO, but I think the weather is most important in terms of how it effects the most important man on the field- Eli Manning. All other aspects aside, if Manning doesn't play well, the Giants lose. I think he is just that important. The 49er's might win, good Manning or bad, but the Giants need the good Manning to have a chance. -- Al
 
Having looked around today, there seems to be no clear consensus about what a wet field means, pro or con. In 1982, the Dolphins didn't cover the field in the AFC Championship game in order to stop the Jets running game and it worked. Field was a mess and Jets lost 14 zip.

Also just in, The Giants Get Ready for Some Stormy Weather.
 
Louis Badolato said:
From the ridiculous to the sublime:

On ESPN Mike Mazzeo and Rich Cimini are debating whether Eli Manning is better than Peyton Manning. Look, I am a huge Giants fan, and Eli has carried the team this season, but are they serious? Peyton has not played well in the post season (he is 9-10, 1-1 in Superbowls, and his statistics are way down from the regular season) but he is arguably one of the top 5 quarterbacks of all time. Eli is arguable one of the top 5 quarterbacks playing this season, but he is not even in the top 25 all time.
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I remember watching Eli Manning throw a 43 yard completion a couple weeks ago that put my Boys out of the playoffs- just essentially scurried around and let it loose- I sat there shaking my head saying "Eli Manning is the most underrated QB in the game today." I'd take Eli Manning any day of the week and twice on Sunday over Peyton. Peyton Manning has a losing record in the playoffs because PM quits. Eli fights, kicks and scratches to win. You never see that guy lay down and die. PM always seems to get frustrated if the Colts don't go out and plant a ton of points on the board right away- EM seems to get it that a football game is an hour long affair.
 
Louis Badolato said:
Collinsworth is the only commentator on any television network who said the Giants could beat the Patriots in 2007.
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Yeah great, good for him; he also hates the Patriots with a passion, I remember one of his rants on Inside the NFL prior to the Super Bowl in 2008, so his opinion on anything Patriots means jack to me.
 
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