New Winter Tiger (2 Viewers)

[theBaron]

Frank is right.

So citing an example of SS schwere panzer abteilung 101, this will roughly translates to SS heavy tank battalion 101.

You're right about the comparison in unit strength and application to a battalion, but literally, Abteilung means "detachment". It's use is somewhat of a tradition, in German military terminology, going back to the start of regimental armies in the late 17th and early 18th centuries. It can have a sense of a unit put together for a limited duration, like the grenadier battalions in the Seven Years War.

Prost!
Brad

 

[fmethorst]

Did 301 fight in the Bulge ?
I've been told they did not

On Dec 15 1944 Pz.Abt.(Fkl)301 was assigned to the 9.Pz.Div. It remained with this division until Jan 31 1945

9.Pz.Div was held in reserve until until Dec 23. It went into action Dec 25 north of Rochefort. It contributed to the rescue of elements of 2.Pz.Div that were encircled northwest of Rochefort. From Dec 27 to Dec 31 9.Pz.Div remained in this area. It then began a gradual withdrawal southeast. By Jan 20 it occupied a position near Stockem (southeast of Houffalize). The division was relieved Jan 22

Paul, were you able to identify whether the white tiger was early/mid/late?

 

[kilted vampire]

Hurry! The suspense would kill me if I were not already the undead.

 

[IXEC]

On Dec 15 1944 Pz.Abt.(Fkl)301 was assigned to the 9.Pz.Div. It remained with this division until Jan 31 1945

9.Pz.Div was held in reserve until until Dec 23. It went into action Dec 25 north of Rochefort. It contributed to the rescue of elements of 2.Pz.Div that were encircled northwest of Rochefort. From Dec 27 to Dec 31 9.Pz.Div remained in this area. It then began a gradual withdrawal southeast. By Jan 20 it occupied a position near Stockem (southeast of Houffalize). The division was relieved Jan 22

Paul, were you able to identify whether the white tiger was early/mid/late?

Good homework Frank,


The White Tiger 1 looks like a late type to me.


Cheers,

Paul

 

[nasirkasmani]

when are we gonna get to see the other 2 tigers? - especially the "surprise' Tiger.

 

[Nick Nasta]

It looks nice but how many Tiger I's can we buy? I myself have close to thirty different Tiger I's in my collector.
I think I have enough. Or do I? You need to look out of the box and build something different. Something that collectors need!
I also think the Zimmeritt looks too deep or it just can be my eyes?
Nick

 

[Helldiver]

It looks nice but how many Tiger I's can we buy? I myself have close to thirty different Tiger I's in my collector.
I think I have enough. Or do I? You need to look out of the box and build something different. Something that collectors need!
I also think the Zimmeritt looks too deep or it just can be my eyes?
Nick

I think its a great looking vehicle on initial inspection however I have to agree with Nick on the Zimmerit as it definitely looks too ingrained, in fact it looks more like my aunt Flo's wall after she filled it in with polyfilla after Uncle Fred came back from taking the whippets for a walk (but in reality was down the pub) and then knocked the hallway shelves off the wall! Also the transfers do not sit right (mainly because the Zimmerit is too deep) and look like they are sititing on the paintwork as opposed to being part of the paintwork (Brian you would have been better off leaving these off mate.) The Balkan crosses/serial numbers have a white edging which you would just not get on a winter white vehicle, they would be just plain black or red without the white edging or there would be some of the original summer colour scheme showing round the edges of the numbers and crosses (Bit of a cost cutting exercise there me thinks). Last but not least the commander does look very similar in his pose to the DAK MK1 Panzer released earlier but at least he is not holding a map or pointing at some obscure object in the distant horizon so I have to give Brian credit there. I don't want to sound like the grim reaper on my first post but I hope this is not the final solution (To quote somebody rather infamous) and that Brian will remedy these minor faults. Apart from that its a nice looking vehicle especially the dent in the exaust cover and the missing road wheels similar to Otto Carius's Tiger)
Nick theres no point in complaining about another Tiger if you bought 30 already - thats probably 25 more than nearly everybody else here! You need to bang your heed against a wall and tell yourself "no more tigers!" Otherwise people like Brian/Andy/Anna will keep churning them out instead of giving us something different like a desert Sherman or a MK3 Panzer M with side skirts (without the usual figures holding maps or binoculars).
By the way a really big hello to everybody on the forum!
Eeeh by gum off to put on the flat cap and take greyhounds for a breath of fresh air now round the dales!

 

[IXEC]

I think its a great looking vehicle on initial inspection however I have to agree with Nick on the Zimmerit as it definitely looks too ingrained, in fact it looks more like my aunt Flo's wall after she filled it in with polyfilla after Uncle Fred came back from taking the whippets for a walk (but in reality was down the pub) and then knocked the hallway shelves off the wall! Also the transfers do not sit right (mainly because the Zimmerit is too deep) and look like they are sititing on the paintwork as opposed to being part of the paintwork (Brian you would have been better off leaving these off mate.) The Balkan crosses/serial numbers have a white edging which you would just not get on a winter white vehicle, they would be just plain black or red without the white edging or there would be some of the original summer colour scheme showing round the edges of the numbers and crosses (Bit of a cost cutting exercise there me thinks). Last but not least the commander does look very similar in his pose to the DAK MK1 Panzer released earlier but at least he is not holding a map or pointing at some obscure object in the distant horizon so I have to give Brian credit there. I don't want to sound like the grim reaper on my first post but I hope this is not the final solution (To quote somebody rather infamous) and that Brian will remedy these minor faults. Apart from that its a nice looking vehicle especially the dent in the exaust cover and the missing road wheels similar to Otto Carius's Tiger)
Nick theres no point in complaining about another Tiger if you bought 30 already - thats probably 25 more than nearly everybody else here! You need to bang your heed against a wall and tell yourself "no more tigers!" Otherwise people like Brian/Andy/Anna will keep churning them out instead of giving us something different like a desert Sherman or a MK3 Panzer M with side skirts (without the usual figures holding maps or binoculars).
By the way a really big hello to everybody on the forum!
Eeeh by gum off to put on the flat cap and take greyhounds for a breath of fresh air now round the dales!

Welcome Helldiver,

You make some good and honest points, thanks.



Paul

 

[Nick Nasta]

Good advice Paul.

I'm going to have to give my money to my wife from now on. It's next to impossible to get money from her. LOL

Nick

 

[fmethorst]

I think its a great looking vehicle on initial inspection however I have to agree with Nick on the Zimmerit as it definitely looks too ingrained, in fact it looks more like my aunt Flo's wall after she filled it in with polyfilla after Uncle Fred came back from taking the whippets for a walk (but in reality was down the pub) and then knocked the hallway shelves off the wall! Also the transfers do not sit right (mainly because the Zimmerit is too deep) and look like they are sititing on the paintwork as opposed to being part of the paintwork (Brian you would have been better off leaving these off mate.) The Balkan crosses/serial numbers have a white edging which you would just not get on a winter white vehicle, they would be just plain black or red without the white edging or there would be some of the original summer colour scheme showing round the edges of the numbers and crosses (Bit of a cost cutting exercise there me thinks). Last but not least the commander does look very similar in his pose to the DAK MK1 Panzer released earlier but at least he is not holding a map or pointing at some obscure object in the distant horizon so I have to give Brian credit there. I don't want to sound like the grim reaper on my first post but I hope this is not the final solution (To quote somebody rather infamous) and that Brian will remedy these minor faults. Apart from that its a nice looking vehicle especially the dent in the exaust cover and the missing road wheels similar to Otto Carius's Tiger)
Nick theres no point in complaining about another Tiger if you bought 30 already - thats probably 25 more than nearly everybody else here! You need to bang your heed against a wall and tell yourself "no more tigers!" Otherwise people like Brian/Andy/Anna will keep churning them out instead of giving us something different like a desert Sherman or a MK3 Panzer M with side skirts (without the usual figures holding maps or binoculars).
By the way a really big hello to everybody on the forum!
Eeeh by gum off to put on the flat cap and take greyhounds for a breath of fresh air now round the dales!

Welcome Helldiver

Brian covered the zimmerit on page 3 of this thread and basically said the exaggerated depth is by design.

As for the whitewash, we're all still waiting to see a picture of a whitewashed Tiger I from the Battle of the Bulge. We've narrowed it down to Pz.Abt.(Fkl)301.

A brief history of whitewash

Because Dunkelgrau RAL 7021 presented a very stark contrast against snow, OKH decided to provide the troops with white paint to paint the equipment during the winter. The paint was water-soluble, so that it would run off the equipment when the first rain started to wash away the snow. To prevent having to re-paint stencils, tactical numbers and unit emblems, these were often left without whitewash.

Because of the large distances the whitewash had to be transported, and relatively small supplies of whitewash, several vehicles only received whitewash sparingly, if at all. Some units had to be creative, using chalk or even sheets to provide some kind of camouflage. Stacked snow on the vehicles was also used. Some of these interim solutinos were obviously better than others, also depending on the conditions. For example, where a solid white cover would blend in very well against a snow-covered field, an iregular pattern would be more suitable against a wood, where the trees would be left uncovered with snow.

Here are some good examples of whitewash from the 1/35 world

Jagdpanther

Mid Tiger I. Note: the tow cables are already attached, the sign of an experienced crew.

Early Tiger I

Early Tiger I

Late Tiger I

 

[kilted vampire]

Woweee! Those are realy great models. Taking a break for awhile but starting more stuff soon. In acquisition phase!

 

[kx1a]

Any winter tigers been shipped out yet??

Bill W

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Any winter tigers been shipped out yet??

Bill W

Our current product build Left HK on the 24th, 2.5 weeks to Long Beach, 1.5 weeks to Austin.

Best regards,

Brian

 

[The Breaker]

Was the shipment sent on the 24th of June or the 24th of July?

 

[Vezzolf]

Welcome Helldiver

Brian covered the zimmerit on page 3 of this thread and basically said the exaggerated depth is by design.

As for the whitewash, we're all still waiting to see a picture of a whitewashed Tiger I from the Battle of the Bulge. We've narrowed it down to Pz.Abt.(Fkl)301.

A brief history of whitewash

Because Dunkelgrau RAL 7021 presented a very stark contrast against snow, OKH decided to provide the troops with white paint to paint the equipment during the winter. The paint was water-soluble, so that it would run off the equipment when the first rain started to wash away the snow. To prevent having to re-paint stencils, tactical numbers and unit emblems, these were often left without whitewash.

Because of the large distances the whitewash had to be transported, and relatively small supplies of whitewash, several vehicles only received whitewash sparingly, if at all. Some units had to be creative, using chalk or even sheets to provide some kind of camouflage. Stacked snow on the vehicles was also used. Some of these interim solutinos were obviously better than others, also depending on the conditions. For example, where a solid white cover would blend in very well against a snow-covered field, an iregular pattern would be more suitable against a wood, where the trees would be left uncovered with snow.

Here are some good examples of whitewash from the 1/35 world

Jagdpanther

Mid Tiger I. Note: the tow cables are already attached, the sign of an experienced crew.

Early Tiger I

Early Tiger I

Late Tiger I

Tremendous 1:35 scale modeling.......Are these your efforts? If 1:30 scale manufacturers offerred this quality of weathering I would purchase immediately.....I agree with previous posts on this thread that the zimmermit on collectors showcase tigers is way over done.......please a little more subtle weathering and less pronounced zimmermit....."less is more when weathering".........

 

[fmethorst]

Tremendous 1:35 scale modeling.......Are these your efforts? If 1:30 scale manufacturers offerred this quality of weathering I would purchase immediately.....I agree with previous posts on this thread that the zimmermit on collectors showcase tigers is way over done.......please a little more subtle weathering and less pronounced zimmermit....."less is more when weathering".........

Thanks, but I can't take credit for these beauties. These are from the galleries of Missing Lynx http://www.missing-lynx.com/ and Hyperscale http://www.hyperscale.com/

I agree with your "less is more" comment regarding weathering.

 

[Alexdakar]

The Tiger falling in the frozen lake is from Miguel Jimenez. He does awesome work and even started selling his own products.

 

[Rob]

Welcome Helldiver

Brian covered the zimmerit on page 3 of this thread and basically said the exaggerated depth is by design.

As for the whitewash, we're all still waiting to see a picture of a whitewashed Tiger I from the Battle of the Bulge. We've narrowed it down to Pz.Abt.(Fkl)301.

A brief history of whitewash

Because Dunkelgrau RAL 7021 presented a very stark contrast against snow, OKH decided to provide the troops with white paint to paint the equipment during the winter. The paint was water-soluble, so that it would run off the equipment when the first rain started to wash away the snow. To prevent having to re-paint stencils, tactical numbers and unit emblems, these were often left without whitewash.

Because of the large distances the whitewash had to be transported, and relatively small supplies of whitewash, several vehicles only received whitewash sparingly, if at all. Some units had to be creative, using chalk or even sheets to provide some kind of camouflage. Stacked snow on the vehicles was also used. Some of these interim solutinos were obviously better than others, also depending on the conditions. For example, where a solid white cover would blend in very well against a snow-covered field, an iregular pattern would be more suitable against a wood, where the trees would be left uncovered with snow.

Here are some good examples of whitewash from the 1/35 world

Jagdpanther

Mid Tiger I. Note: the tow cables are already attached, the sign of an experienced crew.

Early Tiger I

Early Tiger I

Late Tiger I

Thanks for posting this Frank,very interesting item on whitewash and great pics too.Love that Jagdpanther.

I really like the last couple of vehicles from CS,however i have to agree the Zimmerit is far too pronounced on the Tiger for me,shame as it kind of spoils what i think would have been a cool tank.We have a Jagdpanther at the IWM and the Zimmerit is really subtle,more of a smoother finish with lines in it.

Rob

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Again thanks all for a fabulous and very informative thread, you all are quite impressive in your knowledge base. Now I know who to go to when we need some help with authenticity or ideas.

Anyhow I regret to inform you folks that first run Tigers are now completely sold out (we expect them in three weeks ). We have a second run under way to fill back orders, and that is already about 40% reserved. The demand certainly exceeded all expectations. We'll try to grow those initial numbers from now on as we see that 300 is just too low to begin with.

Happy Collecting!

Brian

 

[kilted vampire]

Brian,

I noticed that the skin tone on your figures has way improved! One of the panzer guys looks really exceptional. The one that looks like he is climbing in the hatch. Really nice. Have I said all this before?