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Yea - We should have taken out those limey's and renamed London - New Washington. :eek:
 
Oz

Sure we do - its that ugly island next to beautiful New Zealand.

You know - Australia, Where the Men are men and the sheep are scared.........:eek:

Hahahahaaha
 
Ron, from your avatar I suspect you've had a bit to do with sheep yourself :)

Btw, Baaaabra said to say hello ;)
 
Thanks for the link Greg, did you see this quote about Lend Lease on it?

Franklin Roosevelt, eager to ensure public consent for this controversial plan, explained to the public and the press that his plan was comparable to one neighbor's lending another a garden hose to put out a fire in his home. "What do I do in such a crisis?" the president asked at a press conference. "I don't say... 'Neighbor, my garden hose cost me $15; you have to pay me $15 for it' …I don't want $15 — I want my garden hose back after the fire is over."

The German Embassy in response chastised Americans for buying into President Roosevelt's analogy, stating that "...if a fire breaks out in your neighbor's house, you don't just lend him a garden hose, you help him put out the fire."
 
Reading with interest ..about Allies...History has a habit of repeating itself,ALLIES IN ONE WAR ENEMIES IN THE NEXT,For instance,my family,during WW2...one fought for germany ,as a Fallschimjager..one fought for the Americans..and one fought with the Russians. To this day all are alive ,living in Austria ,washington D.C. and in russia somewhere..:cool: ern
 
Capitolron said:
So we all are in Agreement that AMERICA saved the World. :D
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Capt Ron - you are relentless. I was reading last night that 926,000 Russian soldiers died in the Battle of Moscow - a battle they won! That's more than the entire British Army lost in WWI. Their casualties in that one battle exceeded the combined British and American losses in WWII. We did liberate the bar at the Ritz Hotel in Paris though.
 
I fully appreciate the MANY, MANY Loyal and Brave Russian Soldiers who died fighting the Germans. However, had Stalin sided with the Allies in the Beginning and not play footesy with Hitler. I believe that many of those deaths would not had occured. The Allies would have had a different plan to rid Hitler from Europe and we could have shortened the War as well.

PLUS - Commies Bad - Democracy GREAT! :D
 
There were a few treaty agreements and pacts signed around that time such as the "Peace in our time" agreement between the UK and Germany. I don't think it's fair to pick on a country because they decide to sign a peace agreement with a country they fear will attack them.

History has proved that no country can say "we are the greatest" because all countries at some stage have done the wrong thing. The important thing is that they learn from their mistakes.
 
It's a bit more complicated than saying Stalin shouldn't have sided with Hitler. In the run up to Munich the British and French made attempts, although I don't think very strong ones, to ally with Stalin. Part of the trouble though, because the Conservatives were in power was a distaste for dealing with a Communist regime that was trying to export revolution and who various countries had tried to overthrow after World War I. There was also the example of the Spartacist revolt in Germany after WWI so there was quite a bit of reluctance to deal with the Russians.

Whatever was done at that time, the French were not willing partners but sort of dragged along by Chamberlain so you can't say there was a united front and the US couldn't really do anything because of the isolationist attitude, e.g. Lindbergh (who was an admirer of the Nazis) and the America firsters.

It's easy in retrospect to say what should have been done and it's universally recognized that there were many missed opportunities for Great Britain and France to stop Hitler that were just missed.
 
And the US was always last into the fray in both WWI and II with the other allies bearing the entire brunt of the war. How things have changed!
 
Combat said:
And the US was always last into the fray in both WWI and II with the other allies bearing the entire brunt of the war.
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I think you might have a difficult time convincing any US serviceman who fought in the Pacific against a savage and unyielding enemy of that "bearing the entire brunt" remark.

Fred
 
boot51 said:
I think you might have a difficult time convincing any US serviceman who fought in the Pacific against a savage and unyielding enemy of that "bearing the entire brunt" remark.

Fred
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The US did make substantial contributions to ending the war, but the Chinese bore the heaviest burden of the asian/pacific campaign which began long before pearl harbor. 10 million total Chinese deaths. Approximately 25% of the total allied military deaths in WWII were Chinese soldiers. By comparison the US percentage of total allied military deaths (asia and europe) in WWII was 2% (trailing Yugoslavia at 3%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

The US provided a large amount of equipment, arms and other supplies but much of that was provided to Britain, Russia, and Asia prior to and in lieu of direct US military involvement. Probably a good tradeoff for us. The notion that we saved anyone with our belated intervention is somewhat naive and I assume insulting to the many other countries that suffered to such a greater extent than we did.
 
Combat said:
The US did make substantial contributions to ending the war, but the Chinese bore the heaviest burden of the asian/pacific campaign which began long before pearl harbor. 10 million total Chinese deaths. Approximately 25% of the total allied military deaths in WWII were Chinese soldiers. By comparison the US percentage of total allied military deaths (asia and europe) in WWII was 2% (trailing Yugoslavia at 3%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

The US provided a large amount of equipment, arms and other supplies but much of that was provided to Britain, Russia, and Asia prior to and in lieu of direct US military involvement. Probably a good tradeoff for us. The notion that we saved anyone with our belated intervention is somewhat naive and I assume insulting to the many other countries that suffered to such a greater extent than we did.
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Combat

You are starting to sound a little politically correct?
 
The Chinese had been fighting against the Japanse since 1936 (approximately). 10,000,000 doesn't sound exaggerated and it sure isn't politically correct and if that doesn't work for you how about in excess of 20 million Russian deaths?
 
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