NFL 2015 Season (2 Viewers)

I'm adding SF and the NY Giants to the Saban coaching lottery. Old St. Nick would probably like SF or NY after being stuck in Bama for years. A big fish in a big pond for a change. I wouldn't worry about the Pats. Other than Big Bill perhaps having a senior moment or two in his coaching (kicking off in OT and giving up in Miami) they have as good shot. Hard to win with QB uncertainty like Denver appears to have. I'm curious to see if the Redskins have gotten past the curse of Dan Snyder or whether they get blown out.
 
The Packers may benefit by losing last night because they would have had to face the Vikings a third time had they won. Beating them again would be difficult, not that the Redskins will be a walk in the park, as they are on a roll right now.
 
The Packers may benefit by losing last night because they would have had to face the Vikings a third time had they won. Beating them again would be difficult, not that the Redskins will be a walk in the park, as they are on a roll right now.
Packers are going to be a big problem for the Redskins. The stop-gap Qb for Dallas shot the Redskin's depleted secondary to pieces yesterday. What Rodgers is capable of will be a nightmare for the Redskins. -- Al
 
Packers are going to be a big problem for the Redskins. The stop-gap Qb for Dallas shot the Redskin's depleted secondary to pieces yesterday. What Rodgers is capable of will be a nightmare for the Redskins. -- Al

lately...Rodgers doesn't seem to be capable of very much...he just looks scared in the pocket...mostly scrambling away from a decent pass rush...I really don't see them going far at all...
 
lately...Rodgers doesn't seem to be capable of very much...he just looks scared in the pocket...mostly scrambling away from a decent pass rush...I really don't see them going far at all...
Actually, Vegas has the Redskins favored by 1 point, not even the usual homefield spread. It will be dicey for the Redskins, but I hope you are right and that our pass rush can offset the secondary problems. -- Al
 
Actually, Vegas has the Redskins favored by 1 point, not even the usual homefield spread. It will be dicey for the Redskins, but I hope you are right and that our pass rush can offset the secondary problems. -- Al

Al...you know who I think is a dark horse and looks really good...

the KC Chiefs...

Smith is playing great ball management...low interception rate and is on a pretty good roll...

they have won 10 straight...

and as we all know...

this is the right time of the year to get hot...

I think they can handle Houston and should give Denver a good game...possibly ending up with NE...
 
Packers haven't looked good since the early part of the season. Although I don't follow them all that closely, his receivers don't appear to be all that good and I think he's really missing Jordy Nelson, one of the best receivers in the NFL.

The winner will have the unenviable task of facing the Cardinals or Panthers.
 
this is a strange but good read...

money isn't everything...

to some...

a very unselfish act by Sean Lee...

now Jerry will probably make this $2 million up to him...but you never know...

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ARLINGTON, Texas -- Sean Lee had plenty of reasons to play Sunday against the Washington Redskins, but an extra $2 million wasn’t one of them.

Lee tried to warm up before the game but the Cowboys linebacker felt his injured hamstring “bite” him as he attempted to run and decided he could not play. Lee suffered the injury in Thursday’s practice while trying to defend a route in seven-on-seven drills.

“It was me who decided not to play,” Lee said. “I didn’t feel like I would be effective enough to help the football team ... The problem was [the injury] was a little too close to the game. If I had a couple extra days I could probably play. But it was completely my decision and I felt like I was not going to be effective and not help the team.”

By not playing, Lee fell below a threshold of 80 percent of the team's defensive snaps for the season. Had he played in 80 percent, he would have earned a $2 million escalator that would have brought his 2016 base salary to $5 million.

“To me it’s about being effective in the game,” Lee said. “I’m not going to disrespect my teammates and coaches and go out there not playing the right way. The Joneses have been unbelievably gracious with me with the type of contract they’ve given me. And I still see it as I still have an unbelievable opportunity ahead of me to play for the Cowboys and make plenty of money. For me, if I can’t play the right way I’m not going to be out there.”

Lee missed two games on the season and parts of two others because of a concussion. He still led the Cowboys in tackles with 155, according to the coaches. He also had 2.5 sacks, 11 tackles for loss, one interception and five pass deflections.

Owner and general manager Jerry Jones said it would be against the collective bargaining agreement to give Lee the escalator. However, nothing would prevent the Cowboys from re-working Lee’s deal and giving him a raise.

Defensive end Jeremy Mincey missed a $500,000 escalator by 11 snaps last year and missed the first four days of training camp. The Cowboys eventually added $500,000 to Mincey’s base salary.

“He knew that it was in this team’s best interest not to exacerbate his condition and maybe impede him from really having the kind of offseason he wants to have,” Jones said. “I think it says everything about him. I’ll tell you, Sean is not only efficient on the football field in making plays, very efficient with his movement as you know, but he’s very logical and efficient in his thinking, too. He doesn’t miss many. He’s right when he goes and makes his decision. Today we could have used him out there. There’s no question about it. But understand why he made that decision.”
 
this is a strange but good read...

money isn't everything...

to some...

a very unselfish act by Sean Lee...

now Jerry will probably make this $2 million up to him...but you never know...

__________________________________________________________________________

ARLINGTON, Texas -- Sean Lee had plenty of reasons to play Sunday against the Washington Redskins, but an extra $2 million wasn’t one of them.

Lee tried to warm up before the game but the Cowboys linebacker felt his injured hamstring “bite” him as he attempted to run and decided he could not play. Lee suffered the injury in Thursday’s practice while trying to defend a route in seven-on-seven drills.

“It was me who decided not to play,” Lee said. “I didn’t feel like I would be effective enough to help the football team ... The problem was [the injury] was a little too close to the game. If I had a couple extra days I could probably play. But it was completely my decision and I felt like I was not going to be effective and not help the team.”

By not playing, Lee fell below a threshold of 80 percent of the team's defensive snaps for the season. Had he played in 80 percent, he would have earned a $2 million escalator that would have brought his 2016 base salary to $5 million.

“To me it’s about being effective in the game,” Lee said. “I’m not going to disrespect my teammates and coaches and go out there not playing the right way. The Joneses have been unbelievably gracious with me with the type of contract they’ve given me. And I still see it as I still have an unbelievable opportunity ahead of me to play for the Cowboys and make plenty of money. For me, if I can’t play the right way I’m not going to be out there.”

Lee missed two games on the season and parts of two others because of a concussion. He still led the Cowboys in tackles with 155, according to the coaches. He also had 2.5 sacks, 11 tackles for loss, one interception and five pass deflections.

Owner and general manager Jerry Jones said it would be against the collective bargaining agreement to give Lee the escalator. However, nothing would prevent the Cowboys from re-working Lee’s deal and giving him a raise.

Defensive end Jeremy Mincey missed a $500,000 escalator by 11 snaps last year and missed the first four days of training camp. The Cowboys eventually added $500,000 to Mincey’s base salary.

“He knew that it was in this team’s best interest not to exacerbate his condition and maybe impede him from really having the kind of offseason he wants to have,” Jones said. “I think it says everything about him. I’ll tell you, Sean is not only efficient on the football field in making plays, very efficient with his movement as you know, but he’s very logical and efficient in his thinking, too. He doesn’t miss many. He’s right when he goes and makes his decision. Today we could have used him out there. There’s no question about it. But understand why he made that decision.”

Those kinds of incentives strike me as strange. Obviously, a player is going to play if he is healthy. They seem to encourage players to play hurt and put the players and management at odds on issues like playing with concussions etc. Some players might even hide injuries for the monetary gain. If they get injured, have neutral NFL doctors sort out the risks and decide who can play. If the owners are concerned about large contracts for guys who end up injured, they should do some meaningful things to reduce the risk of injury like having fewer games and stop playing on artificial turf.
 
The word is coming down that Coughlin is out.

It remains to be seen what is happening to the GM and to Coughlin's coaches.
 
His statement says he has resigned. He had a heck of a career with the Jaguars and the Giants, among others. Too bad it couldn't have ended on a winning note.
 
Those kinds of incentives strike me as strange. Obviously, a player is going to play if he is healthy. They seem to encourage players to play hurt and put the players and management at odds on issues like playing with concussions etc. Some players might even hide injuries for the monetary gain. If they get injured, have neutral NFL doctors sort out the risks and decide who can play. If the owners are concerned about large contracts for guys who end up injured, they should do some meaningful things to reduce the risk of injury like having fewer games and stop playing on artificial turf.

Doug...

I don't think fewer games is an option with owners...

they want all the home games they can get...and as much money spent in their stadiums as possible...

the incentive contract does put the onus on players to produce...

this particular case is noteworthy as Sean Lee voluntarily...and of his own accord...sat as...forfeiting $2,000,000.00 in incentives...

I think most players would have limped out one game...being no help to the team...just to collect the incentives...

again...

Jerry will probably restructure his salary next year to reward him...
 
Doug...

I don't think fewer games is an option with owners...

they want all the home games they can get...and as much money spent in their stadiums as possible...

the incentive contract does put the onus on players to produce...

this particular case is noteworthy as Sean Lee voluntarily...and of his own accord...sat as...forfeiting $2,000,000.00 in incentives...

I think most players would have limped out one game...being no help to the team...just to collect the incentives...

again...

Jerry will probably restructure his salary next year to reward him...

Mike:

Lee has always been that kind of player. When he got hurt last year the Texas media kept asking him about his injury and his future etc. His response was that he was only concerned about the team and how he could help his replacement adjust to the starting role. He doesn't seem to be a "me" type, more of a "team" type.

-Jason
 
His statement says he has resigned. He had a heck of a career with the Jaguars and the Giants, among others. Too bad it couldn't have ended on a winning note.

Tom Coughlin was a class act and won two super bowls for the Giants. As Brad says, its a shame he didn't have had a legitimate chance to go out a winner. According to ESPN staffer Dan Graziano, here's who he didn't:

Of the 46 players active for the New York Giants in their season finale against the Eagles on Sunday, just 14 were drafted by Jerry Reese, who has been the team's general manager since 2007.

And it's the coach who has to go?

Look, you can make the case that it was time for the Giants to move on from Tom Coughlin, who stepped down Monday after 12 seasons. He had a rotten year with in-game decisions, he missed the playoffs six of the past seven years and his franchise just had three straight losing seasons for the first time since the late 1970s. Any coach who fits that description knows his team is likely to want a change, and Coughlin is no exception. Two Super Bowl titles notwithstanding, this is the life he has chosen. Nobody gets to coach forever.

But it's absurd to look at the Giants' current predicament and conclude that the accountability should stop with the coaching staff. The team that Reese and his front office asked Coughlin to coach this year was the worst he has had since he was in Jacksonville, and it wasn't all that much worse than the ones they gave him in 2013 and 2014.

Years of unproductive drafts have hollowed out the roster. Of those 14 drafted players active for the Giants on Sunday, half were picked in the past two years and one of the others, Hakeem Nicks, really shouldn't count, because he left and came back as a street free agent.

This is a system failure, of course. The Giants' scouts aren't doing a good enough job finding players with NFL upside. Reese has spent too many years taking too many midround chances on projection players such as Damontre Moore, Rueben Randle, Adrien Robinson and James Brewer. And Coughlin and his coaching staff haven't developed enough of these guys.

Pinning this mess on Coughlin ignores the extent of the list of people responsible. The Giants' front office has proved itself delinquent when it comes to roster building, and that falls at the feet of Reese. He's not going anywhere, because the Giants' owners are loyal to their people and they don't fire GMs. But no one who's looking at this from the inside or the outside should conclude that changing coaches will fix everything that's wrong.

These Giants remain in the midst of a roster rebuild, and it's not going well. Reese gets deserved credit for picking dazzling wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. in the first round in 2014, and his recent high-pick focus on the offensive line shows a promising shift in priorities. But overall, Reese has not done a good job as GM and he needs to accurately assess the ways in which his own failures and mistakes have led the Giants to this point. He needs to make (or be forced to make) changes in the way the Giants' front office assesses and acquires players. He deserves to feel at least as much heat as Coughlin was made to feel this year, because he's at least as responsible for the team's current predicament as Coughlin or anyone on his coaching staff was.

Four years in a row and six out of seven outside the playoffs is not acceptable, and it's fair that changes are being made. But to lay all of this on Coughlin would be a shortsighted error, and those left behind need to make sure they don't lay all of the blame on the guy walking out the door. They need to look in the mirror.
 
I couldn't agree more with Louis, especially about Jerry Reese; he's the one who drafts the players that Tom Coughlin had to coach. Although I'm principally a Jets fan, I do follow the Giants and always thought Tom Coughlin was a class act. Here was a person who did things a certain way and then when people told him he needed to change, he did. It won't be the same, not seeing him on the sideline but I guess at a certain point we all have to go.
 
I couldn't agree more with Louis, especially about Jerry Reese; he's the one who drafts the players that Tom Coughlin had to coach. Although I'm principally a Jets fan, I do follow the Giants and always thought Tom Coughlin was a class act. Here was a person who did things a certain way and then when people told him he needed to change, he did. It won't be the same, not seeing him on the sideline but I guess at a certain point we all have to go.

Coughlin will be missed, he was universally respected by his players and opposing coaches.
 
Multiple teams have apparently filed to move to LA (Chargers, Rams and Raiders). The NFL works in mysterious ways. After decades of having no team in one of the biggest markets they suddenly have three teams asking to move there. Hopefully the Rams end up back in LA. They are the original LA team and belong there. If they go back to those classic blue and white unis it would be perfect.
 
Listening to Jerry Reece, the Giants GM, this morning, you don't know if you should laugh or throw up. A lot of double speak and self serving blather.
 
I'm adding SF and the NY Giants to the Saban coaching lottery. Old St. Nick would probably like SF or NY after being stuck in Bama for years. A big fish in a big pond for a change. I wouldn't worry about the Pats. Other than Big Bill perhaps having a senior moment or two in his coaching (kicking off in OT and giving up in Miami) they have as good shot. Hard to win with QB uncertainty like Denver appears to have. I'm curious to see if the Redskins have gotten past the curse of Dan Snyder or whether they get blown out.

Saban built and owns a magnificent and giant home on the shores of Lake Burton just north of Atlanta. It is the most popular upscale lakeside retreat for Buckhead residents and other well heeled types. Mountain Brook, the ritzy Birmingham suburb, ain't too shabby either. I think he stays put. He can't be possibly be as successful at the professional level. Money aside, it would be a step back, and he gets paid plenty as it is.
 
Chatter on the Niner's coaching vacancy is focused on Sean Payton. I am not sold on him unless Drew Brees becomes a Niner too.
 

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