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How about an American armored tank recovery vehicle, like a sherman based version of the bergepanther?
 
:) Hello Again! I would Suggest Honour Bound, that a short while ago, Last Year; that Hopefully, that they were going to make the Following WW2 Vehicles: A OPEL MAULTIER on Tracks, with Removeable Canopy, Carrying Cargo, and DAK Rider'a!----A Sherman (Firefly)----A British AEC ARMOURED CAR,---------possible a M-13/40 Italian Tank ----- a AB41-Armoured Car----a Field Hospital with Wounded Stretcher Team, and Ambulance for Both Allies, and Axis Powers------ A (HONEY ) Light Tank, for 8th Army----Field Kitchen Food Line for DAK! CIAO!
 
I think for something different I would chose the Goliath with maybe a 4 man remote controlled demolition team. I would also like to see a Maultier Nebelwerfer with the 10 tube 15 cm rocket launcher.
 
Any version of the Opel Maultier halftrack would be awesome, but if you really want to make something different, why not do a V2 Rocket with launcher, crew and the halftrack fuel truck (metal works had this set up at the Chicago Show, and it looked fantastic). I bet, as unusual as it sounds, it would sell like hotcakes.
 
Here are a few that correlate with your original Panther and Bergpanther strategy.

Example: Sherman M4A3 has several different variants and can be produced in various phases, such as:

• Sherman (ETO, North Africa, Pacific) and all of there variations (Calliope-rocket, dozer, etc.) with US Army, USMC and British Commonwealth.

• Sherman Chassis can be reused for M10 (Wolverine and British Achilles) and M36 Slugger

• Sherman Chassis can be reused for the M12 SP with 155MM artillery piece

• Build around the 155MM gun to create the US “Long Tom” artillery piece that served in both ETO and Pacific.

All from the extrapolation of the Sherman M4A3 tank creating various WWII Allied themes stretching through all three WWII theaters requiring various allied troops (tankers, artillery, tank riders, etc.) that can be combined with the vehicles and artillery pieces or in separate sets that can be displayed with other manufacturers vehicles and figures.

Oh by the way, the Sherman tank is a perfectly consistent with your original “Barkmann’s Tiger” theme. After all, guess which allied tank he destroying in larger quantities?

This strategy could maximize your “return-on-investment” (ROI), HB “brand name” and expand your market share.

Just an idea, what do you think?

Carlos
 
What do I think ;) I think that Sherman tanks are slow sellers outside of the US because of their poor reputation. Whereas the German Tiger is widely respected and has global popularity being the most widely collected and recognised tank of WWII. In addition, Wittman is the most widely known tank ace of WWII. When you combine the two you have a sure seller.

21st Century will soon issue their new 155 mm "Long Tom" and although at 1/32 scale it will still compete directly against a potential product from HB. And every manufacturer has several Shermans in their range.

Granted there are a number of Tigers available but most have several downsides. For example, the FOV Tiger I in 1/32? is not accurate because it combines a number of features of the different variants and is a sort of bar$tard model.

The Dragon Tiger I in 1/35 is ok but still has a plastic turret which has put a number of buyers off.

The Minichamp models in 1/35 scale are terrific but expensive and rather bland.

K & C versions suffer from the old track problems until they issue a revamped version. Which is unlikely to be a "Wittman" considering the number of Wittmans they have already put out.

There is still some doubt about the actual number (222 or 235) of the tank Wittman used at Villers Bocade. Therefore it would be safest to produce the safe (007) version which also has a cool "James Bond" factor :) And it was the tank he was killed in, which would even make it appealing to those that aren't Wittman fans :eek:

So what about a Wittman (007) Tiger with Wittman and his crew having a coffee around a fire? No it's not original, but will it sell - you bet :D
 
Sorry guys,
I think this ones obvious, LRDG!!!!!!
this would continue an unmatched pedigree!
Ray
 
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nmrocks said:
Sorry guys,
I think this ones obvious, LRDG!!!!!!
this would continue an unmatched pedigree!
Ray
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Not even I could argue with that. Of course I have suggested that in the past, so why would I argue ;)
 
OzDigger said:
What do I think ;) I think that Sherman tanks are slow sellers outside of the US because of their poor reputation. Whereas the German Tiger is widely respected and has global popularity being the most widely collected and recognised tank of WWII. In addition, Wittman is the most widely known tank ace of WWII. When you combine the two you have a sure seller.

21st Century will soon issue their new 155 mm "Long Tom" and although at 1/32 scale it will still compete directly against a potential product from HB. And every manufacturer has several Shermans in their range.

Granted there are a number of Tigers available but most have several downsides. For example, the FOV Tiger I in 1/32? is not accurate because it combines a number of features of the different variants and is a sort of bar$tard model.

The Dragon Tiger I in 1/35 is ok but still has a plastic turret which has put a number of buyers off.

The Minichamp models in 1/35 scale are terrific but expensive and rather bland.

K & C versions suffer from the old track problems until they issue a revamped version. Which is unlikely to be a "Wittman" considering the number of Wittmans they have already put out.

There is still some doubt about the actual number (222 or 235) of the tank Wittman used at Villers Bocade. Therefore it would be safest to produce the safe (007) version which also has a cool "James Bond" factor :) And it was the tank he was killed in, which would even make it appealing to those that aren't Wittman fans :eek:

So what about a Wittman (007) Tiger with Wittman and his crew having a coffee around a fire? No it's not original, but will it sell - you bet :D
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Yeah Oz,

You have something there. What this industry needs is another Tiger I. Oh, of course not just any Tiger I but another Wittman Tiger, because collectors can tell that KC's version is lacking and therefore they’re willing to fork out another $200 for the upgrade. And they will do it in such numbers to justify HB's time spend in R&D, production and marketing. Yeah right.

Oh yeah, let’s not forget the Long Tom either, yeah that’s right, HB and crossover KC collectors would rather buy a $30+ 21st Century version of this gun instead of the high quality version most likely to be produced by HB. Yeah right.

It may be true that that Tiger I outclassed the Sherman, however how many Tigers do we really need even if it were a “Whittmen”, especially since Figarti has already produced to date the “Best-in-class” Tiger I in five different versions; which are compatible with KC and HB. Oh, you say the Figarti Tanks are too expansive. Then perhaps you should petition 21stCentury to produce a Whittmen Tiger and maybe a Barkmann Panther as well to satisfy your budget.

The rest of the world may not want to buy a US Sherman (and that is debatable) but how about a British Commonwealth Sherman (Firefly, North Africa, etc.)?

Oh wait, I get it now, you are just saying this to get a rise out of any Yank that might take you seriously, right? Oh okay, I’ll just take your comments as a joke and not seriously because you’re way too smart to really mean it.

Thanks for the joke and I’m so sorry for taking this too seriously.

Carlos
 
Beaufighter to Honour Bound via Ana:

So, what do the "boys" think of all these suggestions thus far? Are there any early favorites? Looking forward to hearing/reading your reaction.

Tally Ho,
Beaufighter
 
desk11desk12 said:
Yeah Oz,
You have something there. What this industry needs is another Tiger I. Oh, of course not just any Tiger I but another Wittman Tiger, because collectors can tell that KC's version is lacking and therefore they’re willing to fork out another $200 for the upgrade. And they will do it in such numbers to justify HB's time spend in R&D, production and marketing. Yeah right.
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If Andy C didn't feel his vehicles needed improving he would be unlikely to be spending the development money to do just that. And I suspect that the main reason he spent the money for new molds was to match his competition such as HB.

So the short answer is YES, there are many collectors that will spend $200 (and more) for a new and improved Wittman Tiger set that is ACTUALLY 1/30 scale.

For example, I had the opportunity to buy the K & C Wittman Tiger and the Winter Tiger but decided against it because of the lack of track detail and their relatively small size, not because I lacked the funds.



desk11desk12 said:
Oh yeah, let’s not forget the Long Tom either, yeah that’s right, HB and crossover KC collectors would rather buy a $30+ 21st Century version of this gun instead of the high quality version most likely to be produced by HB. Yeah right.
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Diecast metal and injection moulded plastic are superior modellling material compared to polystone but more expensive, so high volume sales in the thousands are required. High cost does not equal high quality or high sales. 21st Century and FOV produce some well detailed models at a reasonable price and it would be pointless for HB to produce something in direct competition to either of them considering the alternatives.


desk11desk12 said:
It may be true that that Tiger I outclassed the Sherman, however how many Tigers do we really need even if it were a “Whittmen”, especially since Figarti has already produced to date the “Best-in-class” Tiger I in five different versions; which are compatible with KC and HB.
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The Figarti Tiger is in 1/32 scale and the K & C version is closer to 1/32 than 1/30 because it is a similar size to the Figarti Tiger. Surely you have noticed by now how small the 60 mm K & C figures are against the K & C Tiger tank. Check some photographs of real Tigers against crew members if you don't believe me.

Clearly this gives Honour Bound an opportunity to make a Tiger I with good detail and in the correct size to match 60 mm figures.

desk11desk12 said:
Oh, you say the Figarti Tanks are too expansive. Then perhaps you should petition 21stCentury to produce a Whittmen Tiger and maybe a Barkmann Panther as well to satisfy your budget. The rest of the world may not want to buy a US Sherman (and that is debatable) but how about a British Commonwealth Sherman (Firefly, North Africa, etc.)?
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I said that Minichamp tanks are expensive (considering their high production runs).

The Figarti Tigers are excellent value - but not really suitable for 60 mm figures.

British Shermans are less popular than US versions, so why suggest them to Honour Bound.

You don't know my financial position so don't be so ignorant as to suggest I cannot afford such pieces as the Barkmann Panther - which I in fact actually have.


desk11desk12 said:
Oh wait, I get it now, you are just saying this to get a rise out of any Yank that might take you seriously, right? Oh okay, I’ll just take your comments as a joke and not seriously because you’re way too smart to really mean it.

Thanks for the joke and I’m so sorry for taking this too seriously.
Carlos
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It wasn't meant as a joke. Further more I suspect that most Americans take their Sherman tank (and General Patton) to seriously. If more Americans paid less attention to Hollywood movies and took notice of the pointless loss of life that the poorly armoured Sherman and the glory seeking Patton caused they would be less quick to defend either of them.
 
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desk11desk12 said:
Yeah Oz,

You have something there. What this industry needs is another Tiger I. Oh, of course not just any Tiger I but another Wittman Tiger, because collectors can tell that KC's version is lacking and therefore they’re willing to fork out another $200 for the upgrade. And they will do it in such numbers to justify HB's time spend in R&D, production and marketing. Yeah right.

Oh yeah, let’s not forget the Long Tom either, yeah that’s right, HB and crossover KC collectors would rather buy a $30+ 21st Century version of this gun instead of the high quality version most likely to be produced by HB. Yeah right.

It may be true that that Tiger I outclassed the Sherman, however how many Tigers do we really need even if it were a “Whittmen”, especially since Figarti has already produced to date the “Best-in-class” Tiger I in five different versions; which are compatible with KC and HB. Oh, you say the Figarti Tanks are too expansive. Then perhaps you should petition 21stCentury to produce a Whittmen Tiger and maybe a Barkmann Panther as well to satisfy your budget.

The rest of the world may not want to buy a US Sherman (and that is debatable) but how about a British Commonwealth Sherman (Firefly, North Africa, etc.)?

Oh wait, I get it now, you are just saying this to get a rise out of any Yank that might take you seriously, right? Oh okay, I’ll just take your comments as a joke and not seriously because you’re way too smart to really mean it.

Thanks for the joke and I’m so sorry for taking this too seriously.

Carlos
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Sorry Carlos, you've been a good friend and I usually agree with you, but not this time. The Sherman's already in the works at Honour Bound, it's a done deal, they're looking for "what's next". There is no Tiger in true 1:30 scale available right now and who could make a better one than HB, no lift the top off and see the interior for $300 gimmicks, just the best detailed 1:30 scale Tiger with brass accessories and 4-5 crew members that $200-250 can buy.
Com'on Oz, let's get this done, I agree with your Wittman, as long as it's
#222, as long as you agree with a Tunisia Tiger version to follow. No obscure vehicles, Ana, you can think about them AFTER you've made a boat load of money making popular AFV's!;)

Fred
 
Hi Fred, I'll certainly agree with the Tunisian next and I guess Wittman's? "222" Tiger would be better than no Tiger :)

As for the HB Sherman, I believe it's still at an early stage, and it"s a cast hull which does limit future variations.

Therefore I feel now would be a good time for Honour Bound to place a Tiger I in the design stage.

There are plenty of Shermans around now but no one has made a Tiger I in true 1/30 scale.
 
Thank you all, guys. Thank you very much.

Beaufighter - I'll be showing the list to the boyz today. I'll let you know what they said later today.

Ana
 
I' back. As it was expected, the boyz got very excited with the list. They said that many of the suggestions were already being considered, so many options were confirmed.

They took the list, and grabbed their books to begin checking pictures and details. That's how I left them when I left the workshop. I think they'll be discussing and thinking for a few days.

Thanks to all for your suggestions.

Ana
 
Something to consider the versatility of the Sherman and its many incarnations.

Carlos...

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