Pacific - episode 4 (1 Viewer)

[GICOP]

Now that's a COLLECTION!

Paulo

Thanks Paulo

Cheers

Martyn

 

[lancer]

Martyn, thanks for the up-close photos of your med kits. I notice the morphine and cocaine base drugs. As a certain B-52 pilot once said, "A fellow could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all this stuff." -- Al

 

[GICOP]

Martyn, thanks for the up-close photos of your med kits. I notice the morphine and cocaine base drugs. As a certain B-52 pilot once said, "A fellow could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all this stuff." -- Al

Hi Al

The vials you see are all empty, still got the original labels though.

Cheers

Martyn

 

[lancer]

Hi Al

The vials you see are all empty, still got the original labels though.

Cheers

Martyn

Blast! Still, a fine collecting effort. -- Al

 

[Warrior]

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Using that argument how could anyone ever serve on a jury?

In a murder trial could only those that have committed murder serve?

A reasonable man can view situations and make decisions or comments

without having to personally experience that particular event.

I have had numerious events in my lifetime that allow me to know

exactly how I would react in a given situation, it has also shown me how

others react at the same time.

I submit that under normal conditions most people choose to not get

involved, which probably leads to so many disorders suffered by many after

combat.

All excellent points; also, I've never played professional baseball, so does that mean I do not understand how the sport is played, what the rules are, etc, etc?

Also, regarding the fake snow; it wasn't fake during the attack on Foy and I'll give them credit in that it sure did crunch like real snow when men walked on it.

And lastly, I saw in "The making of The Pacific" that the coral used to replicate Peleliu was made from styrofoam, it was not real coral...

And we can flip all the cards now as there clearly are some loose shingles on the roof that need to be nailed back into place.

 

[GICOP]

Blast! Still, a fine collecting effort. -- Al

Thanks Al

Martyn

 

[marco55]

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Using that argument how could anyone ever serve on a jury?

In a murder trial could only those that have committed murder serve?

A reasonable man can view situations and make decisions or comments

without having to personally experience that particular event.

I have had numerious events in my lifetime that allow me to know

exactly how I would react in a given situation, it has also shown me how

others react at the same time.

I submit that under normal conditions most people choose to not get

involved, which probably leads to so many disorders suffered by many after

combat.

I have never been in trouble with the law but I can tell you one thing after being called for jury duty numerous times and I can tell you if I was ever on trial for anything I would NOT want my peers judging me.Also a question for you.Can a reasonable man always make a reasonable decision in unreasonable conditions such as the hellish warfare on the Western Front?Also if you know exactly how you would act in any situation then my man you are one in 10,000,000.
Mark

 

[Njja]

I have never been in trouble with the law but I can tell you one thing after being called for jury duty numerous times and I can tell you if I was ever on trial for anything I would NOT want my peers judging me.Also a question for you.Can a reasonable man always make a reasonable decision in unreasonable conditions such as the hellish warfare on the Western Front?Also if you know exactly how you would act in any situation then my man you are one in 10,000,000.
Mark

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I have never been called for jury duty! My daughter received a notice here at our home where she has not lived for years. When I contacted them and got it straightened out I told them they could call me.........never happened.

As to why I know what I would do.....let me submit the following situations, then you can judge for yourself.

I walked into a robbery in my store years ago, two men assaulted my assistant manager and were in the process of robbing my cashier. I confronted them and knocked one of them unconscious as the other one fled. My shop was in the East Brunswick Mall next to a bank. Several of the other store managers came running over but just stood there while I dealt with the man that had just punched my assistant in the face. The bank manager did hit his alarm which quickly brought the east brunswick poice. I was suprised that no other man assisted me until the police arrived.

Several years later I was now an assistant manager for a large home improvement center. Our security person (a woman) caught a shoplifter and took him into the office with another manager. Through the glass window we could see the large shoplifter beating the hell out of the two of them. I managed to open the locked door and get inside before it was kicked shut behind me and we were all thrown against it. For this little gem I was bitten on the hand, and had to go to the hospital. For his trouble I once again knocked this fellow unconscious and was pulled off him when the door was opened and additional people arrived.

You are correct in assuming that people do not know what they will do, until they find themselves cornered.....then you either fight, or use flight.

Here is one example of that situation. I lived closest to our store so one year I answered over 100 alarm calls. The police became annoyed so we hired an armed security service to respond and walk the store with us.

On one of these fun evenings as we were approaching the breakroom a crazy man ran out armed with a screwdriver (he had been breaking into the machines) as we were both armed we convinced him to put down the weapon and we walked him to the front of the store. I left him with the security man and went to the office to call the police. I heard a loud noise and came back to find he had tossed a garbage can through a front window and escaped. The guard was calmly sitting on the counter. I asked him what happened and he said......what was I going to do shoot him?

I submit that fellow was in the wrong line of work.

 

[Stryker II]

GICOP:

From one collector to another: There is an excellent book out right up your collecting interest way. It is called: Sailors in Forest Green by Schiffer books. It is a VERY good study, loaded with outstanding photos of uniforms and equipment--most of it USMC, which is why I have a copy of it in my library. If you don't have a copy, see if you can get one somewhere, or let me know and I will look for one for you. Sometimes they are at the larger gun/military shows here. THIS BOOK DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE ETO, IT IS PACIFIC/MARINE CORPS ONLY!!..................STRYKER

 

[GICOP]

GICOP:

From one collector to another: There is an excellent book out right up your collecting interest way. It is called: Sailors in Forest Green by Schiffer books. It is a VERY good study, loaded with outstanding photos of uniforms and equipment--most of it USMC, which is why I have a copy of it in my library. If you don't have a copy, see if you can get one somewhere, or let me know and I will look for one for you. Sometimes they are at the larger gun/military shows here. THIS BOOK DOES NOT DEAL WITH THE ETO, IT IS PACIFIC/MARINE CORPS ONLY!!..................STRYKER

Hi Stryker.

That is a great book, it has pride of place along side Grunt Gear and the two from Harlan Glenn.

Cheers

Martyn

 

[VIRIATO]

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I have never been called for jury duty! My daughter received a notice here at our home where she has not lived for years. When I contacted them and got it straightened out I told them they could call me.........never happened.

As to why I know what I would do.....let me submit the following situations, then you can judge for yourself.

I walked into a robbery in my store years ago, two men assaulted my assistant manager and were in the process of robbing my cashier. I confronted them and knocked one of them unconscious as the other one fled. My shop was in the East Brunswick Mall next to a bank. Several of the other store managers came running over but just stood there while I dealt with the man that had just punched my assistant in the face. The bank manager did hit his alarm which quickly brought the east brunswick poice. I was suprised that no other man assisted me until the police arrived.

Several years later I was now an assistant manager for a large home improvement center. Our security person (a woman) caught a shoplifter and took him into the office with another manager. Through the glass window we could see the large shoplifter beating the hell out of the two of them. I managed to open the locked door and get inside before it was kicked shut behind me and we were all thrown against it. For this little gem I was bitten on the hand, and had to go to the hospital. For his trouble I once again knocked this fellow unconscious and was pulled off him when the door was opened and additional people arrived.

You are correct in assuming that people do not know what they will do, until they find themselves cornered.....then you either fight, or use flight.

Here is one example of that situation. I lived closest to our store so one year I answered over 100 alarm calls. The police became annoyed so we hired an armed security service to respond and walk the store with us.

On one of these fun evenings as we were approaching the breakroom a crazy man ran out armed with a screwdriver (he had been breaking into the machines) as we were both armed we convinced him to put down the weapon and we walked him to the front of the store. I left him with the security man and went to the office to call the police. I heard a loud noise and came back to find he had tossed a garbage can through a front window and escaped. The guard was calmly sitting on the counter. I asked him what happened and he said......what was I going to do shoot him?

I submit that fellow was in the wrong line of work.

Boy, tough neighbourhood. Looks like your option is more fight than flight. How large are you? Do you do boxing or karate? Certainly something improves your self confidence above ordinary guys I'd say... I do respect someone that has the courage and ability to face these thugs as you obviously had in those situations. Congrats. But I am also sure in some situations (example: a gun toting assaulter against an unarmed citizen) the wisest thing is to stay put. That said the only mugging situation I remember having been in was when I was in College, one evening me and a friend were confronted by 4 or 5 guys who wanted our wallets and watches. They quickly separated us from one another pushing us apart, the ones that stayed with me said they would shoot me and one of them pointed something inside his pocket towards me. At the moment I felt he was bluffing, that he had no gun inside his pocket so I just said I had nothing on me (bogus of course) and moved away. When I reached my friend they had stolen his watch... I guess I was lucky and possibly things would have been worse if instead of being in a normal street, although late night, we had been in a dark alley... It's one of those things, you never know how you'll react till you go through the situation itself. You can think about it previously but going through it is the only real test.

Paulo

 

[Stryker II]

Hi Stryker.

That is a great book, it has pride of place along side Grunt Gear and the two from Harlan Glenn.

Cheers

Martyn

Have all those Martyn--great books!!!!...................Stryker

 

[Njja]

Boy, tough neighbourhood. Looks like your option is more fight than flight. How large are you? Do you do boxing or karate? Certainly something improves your self confidence above ordinary guys I'd say... I do respect someone that has the courage and ability to face these thugs as you obviously had in those situations. Congrats. But I am also sure in some situations (example: a gun toting assaulter against an unarmed citizen) the wisest thing is to stay put. That said the only mugging situation I remember having been in was when I was in College, one evening me and a friend were confronted by 4 or 5 guys who wanted our wallets and watches. They quickly separated us from one another pushing us apart, the ones that stayed with me said they would shoot me and one of them pointed something inside his pocket towards me. At the moment I felt he was bluffing, that he had no gun inside his pocket so I just said I had nothing on me (bogus of course) and moved away. When I reached my friend they had stolen his watch... I guess I was lucky and possibly things would have been worse if instead of being in a normal street, although late night, we had been in a dark alley... It's one of those things, you never know how you'll react till you go through the situation itself. You can think about it previously but going through it is the only real test.

Paulo

Paulo, I am glad you were not harmed! One thing to remember in these situations is that often the criminal is just as scared as his victim which makes it dangerous.

I am not a big man 5'10" 222 currently, in college I spent more time learning Karate then hitting the books.....to the displeasure of my parents.

I had an excellent Sensei who trained a small class of 7 back in the old days (early 1970's) before all the schools sprung up. In those days there were 7 promotions to black belt unlike modern day 20 or 25 with a new promotion coming every couple of weeks to keep the students interested. To show you the difference many years later one of the young ladies in our cash office was being abused by her boyfriend, (who also worked for us) I was quite suprised when I learned she was a black belt. A case of money spent, and money wasted.

It is not magic, simply training no different then a man with a solid boxing backround. The average man does not know what he is going to do, he simply reacts to the situation in front of him. Someone with training, say a boxer will be much more effective because he is trained to react in a certain way.

We learned confidence knowing what you could do, in any situation. This meant you did not have to do anything. We learned how to seek out an advantage no matter how small and exploit it. For example when presented with a dangerious situation look for a way out, be humble, or display fear which gives your adversary confidence. "I just had an operation......" anything to convince him that you poss little threat. When he laughs or whatever you react then leave.

There are so many things that can be done, you can't even begin to imagine. Here is one simple thing that anyone could do that could easily save your life. Almost everyone has eaten a piece of fried chicken....you know you pull apart the chicken as you seperate the meat from the bone.

Same thing can easily be done to the human hand, you simply grab one finger with one hand, and a couple of fingers with the other and rip, your attacker will no longer be concerned with you.

Also the scalp is very sensitive, not the hair the scalp and where goes the head so goes the body. If you are able to grab a handful of hair at the scalp line and squeeze whereever you drag that head the body will follow.

Finger bit is much easier, hair takes practice. I found it most difficult with my friends because you can't hurt them.....and people would say "Oh that stuff wouldn't work on me"

You would be suprised.

 

[GICOP]

Have all those Martyn--great books!!!!...................Stryker

They are indeed Stryker. Have you seen a copy of "USMC - UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT 1941-1945 by Bruno Albert and Laurent Pradier", this is a collection of all the USMC articles featured in the French publication "Militaires Magazine" but with the bonus of it being printed in English

Cheers

Martyn

 

[Stryker II]

They are indeed Stryker. Have you seen a copy of "USMC - UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT 1941-1945 by Bruno Albert and Laurent Pradier", this is a collection of all the USMC articles featured in the French publication "Militaires Magazine" but with the bonus of it being printed in English

Cheers

Martyn

Yes Martyn, have that one too and enjoy it almost as much as the fantastic Grunt Gear. I hear that Grunt gear's author, Alec S. Tulkoff, is working on another book that will take the collector to either up too WWII, or from WWII to present times. Either way, and hopefully he will do both, because all the Marine Collectors I know--and there are hundreds, would buy both works......Stryker

 

[Stryker II]

I have been very impressed by the production values in "The Pacific". Uniforms, special effects, and the envionment especially, have all been terrific. Now, while I really liked BoB, the one thing that always grates on me when I watch it is the obviously fake snow. I know it is a small thing in the overall scheme of the show, but for me the poor snow effects just kind of ruined the atmosphere. I got no sense of the awful cold those men suffered because all I thought of while watching it was that the actors were crawling around in talcum powder. I thought the shows without the snow were much better in putting me in the atmosphere. Now, I realize I will catch flak for this trivial critisism, but it just shows how successful the effects in "The Pacific" have been. I feel the wet, darkness, and confusion. The series has done a very effective job from a foxhole level POV. -- Al

Al: have just checked in on one of the many websites for episode 5 preview--awesome!!! ALSO, IT IS SHOWING REPORTS FROM MANY OF THE NATION'S NEWSPAPERS, MAGAZINES, AND NEWS BUREAUS. THE MANY ACCOLADES IT IS RECEIVING IS JUSTLY RECOGNIZED. BRILLANT, MESMERIZING, AWESOME, THE BEST---ARE JUST A FEW............Stryker

 

[GICOP]

They are indeed Stryker. Have you seen a copy of "USMC - UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENT 1941-1945 by Bruno Albert and Laurent Pradier", this is a collection of all the USMC articles featured in the French publication "Militaires Magazine" but with the bonus of it being printed in English

Cheers

Martyn

Yes Martyn, have that one too and enjoy it almost as much as the fantastic Grunt Gear. I hear that Grunt gear's author, Alec S. Tulkoff, is working on another book that will take the collector to either up too WWII, or from WWII to present times. Either way, and hopefully he will do both, because all the Marine Collectors I know--and there are hundreds, would buy both works......Stryker

That's something to look forward to Stryker.

Check out page 50 in the above book, I own the actual rain coat in the picture

Cheers

Martyn

 

[lancer]

Al: have just checked in on one of the many websites for episode 5 preview--awesome!!! ALSO, IT IS SHOWING REPORTS FROM MANY OF THE NATION'S NEWSPAPERS, MAGAZINES, AND NEWS BUREAUS. THE MANY ACCOLADES IT IS RECEIVING IS JUSTLY RECOGNIZED. BRILLANT, MESMERIZING, AWESOME, THE BEST---ARE JUST A FEW............Stryker

Thanks Stryker. I am looking forward to part 5. Peleliu was a terrible battle and I am sure the production will do it proper justice. -- Al

 

[Stryker II]

That's something to look forward to Stryker.

Check out page 50 in the above book, I own the actual rain coat in the picture

Cheers

Martyn

OUTSTANDING MARTYN!!!! That is a very nice piece, you don't see them that good very often. I have the cammo poncho liner in my collection. I like to collect the K-Bars too, have several different manufacturers..........Stryker

 

[Stryker II]

Thanks Stryker. I am looking forward to part 5. Peleliu was a terrible battle and I am sure the production will do it proper justice. -- Al

Al: I think they will, it looks to be a three parter, with Basilone at home before returning to a new unit for Iwo.............Stryker