Piper Bill Millin has passed away (2 Viewers)
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Martin Tabony
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No, the government of the day thought it was a good idea to remove all firearms (except single action shotguns) from law abiding licence holders. Therfore only leaving them in the hands of criminals and terrorists!
We now have a system whereby any ex regular soldier now on the reserve has no way of keeping up his shooting skills (not that I had any)
Martin
We now have a system whereby any ex regular soldier now on the reserve has no way of keeping up his shooting skills (not that I had any)Martin
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Re: Bill Millin’s Passing
Well you know what they say: "Want some guys with guts? Try Scotland!"
I have the original and it's a great piece
Well you know what they say: "Want some guys with guts? Try Scotland!"
I have the original and it's a great piece
theBaron
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As Homer Simpson put it, "Lisa, if we didn't have the Second Amendment, the King of England could come in here and start pushin' you around! You want that?! Huh? Huh?"
Seriously, concealed carry laws are a blessing.
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Martin Tabony
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You should
watch this to see what could happen
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eRxPDLYM9Q&p=F063D06D609DA2CF&playnext=1&index=13
lcdr1635
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Actually, Bill Millin's memory would be a good excuse to redo the Lord Lovat set. Although one off my favorite sets, I've always thought it could be done more accurately. As noted earlier, Millin was only 22 on D-Day and has stated on many occasions he was unarmed and wearing a kilt. Lovat was tall and thin, dark haired (at least from the b&w photos, and clean shaven and was armed by most accounts with an American M-1 Garand (which he got from the Rangers at Dieppe). The RM Commandos with Lovat were also not wearing beret badges on D-day.
Always sad to see the few left get fewer.
Always sad to see the few left get fewer.
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RIP.
His death was well covered in two the main newspapers I read this morning. One appeared to be The Times obituary which also mentioned the French are fundraising to raise 80,000 pounds to put up a statue of him at Sword Beach.
Brett
His death was well covered in two the main newspapers I read this morning. One appeared to be The Times obituary which also mentioned the French are fundraising to raise 80,000 pounds to put up a statue of him at Sword Beach.
Brett
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Agreed! But unfortunately we don't have a Second Amendment which I believe states a citizen can bear arms to use lawfully such as self defense within his own home. We in the UK are not allowed to defend ourselves in our own homes-if we do shoot/knife/club/harm in anyway any intruder we are immediately arrested and given a criminal record whilst the intruder is normally released without charge.
The judge who will sentence us will quote that he must "preserve our civilised society"-two of a plethora of such UK cases come to mind. A 55 year old farmer after his home was burgled a dozen times shot dead one of two intruders. He was sentenced to life imprisonment (later changed to manslaughter) and the surviving burglar sued the farmer for £50,000 for infringing his human rights.
Second case a business man and his family were ambushed in their own home tied up and threatened at knifepoint-his son managed to get free released his father who picked up a cricket bat and fractured one of the miscreant's skull-the other two escaped-police arrived and arrested the father who was sentenced to 30 months imprisonment-due to you guessed it "to preserve our civilised society" After public and media outrage the father was eventually released. And the fractured skull idiot with 50 previous convictions was of course never arrested just handed a two year supervision order.
Point of my post is:- if 90 year old war-time hero Geoff Bacon had been able to defend himself from this doorstep mugger(mentioned in Rob's post) and inflicted damage to him poor old Geoff would have been arrested-But unfortunately Geoff was murdered but you can take this to the bank-If and it's a big if this lowlife is ever found he will at the very most receive a minimal sentence plus a wide-screen LCD television. That's our current UK justice and you Yanks are very fortunate to really live in the land of the free.
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Well said Bob. No such thing as justice anymore, and common decency is fast disappearing. Did you hear about that woman arrested for urinating on a war memorial, beggars belief it really does.
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Excellent news, the forum will expect photo's and I want another excuse to go back there
Rob
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UKReb...
We do have in the UK the right to protect ourselves in public and in our homes under common law. self defence is a complete defence to all levels of assault and can mitigate murder to manslaughter which, then gives the trial judge absolute autonomy on the sentence if any imposed.
Statutory law also assists. Sec 3 (1) of the criminal justice act 1967 allows a defence also to this matter as does the recent case of R V Owino 1996 where it was stated that a person may use such force as is (objectively) reasonable in the circumstances as he (subjectively) believes them to be.
It goes on to clarify this area by stating that : A man does not have to wait to be attacked by his assailant to strike the first blow or fire the first shot. Circumstances may justify a pre- emptive strike.
The case of the farmer was not as clear cut as the popular media would like us to believe. In this case he would have probably walked free however, the last shots were fired as the intruder was escaping and running away and therefore what caused the difficulty was that the threat was diminished to a point of non-existance when he used what was seen as excessive force. This was why actions were instigated against the farmer and allowed action by the intruder.
That then goes beyond reasonable force.
Hope this very brief post clears any confusion over what one can or cannot do to defend oneself
Mitch
We do have in the UK the right to protect ourselves in public and in our homes under common law. self defence is a complete defence to all levels of assault and can mitigate murder to manslaughter which, then gives the trial judge absolute autonomy on the sentence if any imposed.
Statutory law also assists. Sec 3 (1) of the criminal justice act 1967 allows a defence also to this matter as does the recent case of R V Owino 1996 where it was stated that a person may use such force as is (objectively) reasonable in the circumstances as he (subjectively) believes them to be.
It goes on to clarify this area by stating that : A man does not have to wait to be attacked by his assailant to strike the first blow or fire the first shot. Circumstances may justify a pre- emptive strike.
The case of the farmer was not as clear cut as the popular media would like us to believe. In this case he would have probably walked free however, the last shots were fired as the intruder was escaping and running away and therefore what caused the difficulty was that the threat was diminished to a point of non-existance when he used what was seen as excessive force. This was why actions were instigated against the farmer and allowed action by the intruder.
That then goes beyond reasonable force.
Hope this very brief post clears any confusion over what one can or cannot do to defend oneself
Mitch
theBaron
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I know. This was the best way to express my belief, shared by many of us here, that we have a right to defend ourselves, without having to wait for The State to step in, and express it in such a way that didn't violate the moderators' standards and trigger a delete.
Another illustration of this principle is a case that happened here in our area back in July. A convicted murderer was released, because the local assistant DA felt he wasn't a risk. After all, he only had one arrest and one conviction, when he was 18. Now, that arrest and conviction was for murdering his dealer with a knife, during a drug deal. But it was only one, and he was young, so now, 15 years later, the assistant DA approved releasing him. On release, the murderer goes to his ex-girlfriend's house, where he attacks and murders her, her father, and the next door neighbor who came to their aid when he heard their screams. The murderer fled the scene in his car, crashed it, and when the police arrived at the scene of the crash, they found him uninjured but covered in his new victims' blood. Now he sits back in the county prison. Had any of his new victims had access to a weapon, those three people might still be alive, and that murderer would be in the ground.
Right, right, right, me little droogies.
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We have all had our say about how we feel that we should be able to defend ourselves. Lets leave it at that and keep the thread on topic please
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