RAF Mustang anyone ? (1 Viewer)

[uksubs]

Alex,

Sorry, but Mustangs were flown under the British flag and, in fact, K & C made a wooden one in invasion stripes. Yes, the American one is iconic but what's wrong with making one with British markings. I'd love to see it.

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Brad

Very nice Brad

 

[jazzeum]

Sorry guys, but I am a purist at heart and consider the Mustang to be an "American" fighter plane, not British (despite the Merlin engine). By the way, I do not recall an American version of the Spitfire. {sm0}

Gotcha!

 

[OzDigger]

Actually, I think the most iconic representative of US air power in WW2 was the P-47 Thunderbolt, not the Mustang.

Terry

The Mustang is my preference based on looks but I would prefer to be in a P-47 in combat as they were tough old birds.

 

[uksubs]

Neil,

The P-51 Mustang exemplified American air power, just as the Spitfire represented British air power. Frankly, I hope that it is left that way.

Alex

Well I think there room for more to be made but the end of the day it will be down to K&C to decide

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The Mustang is my preference based on looks but I would prefer to be in a P-47 in combat as they were tough old birds.

Call the Mustang an American fighter if you like, but it was a success only with the Merlin engine. The Mustang was originally designed and built for the Brits- not for the Americans and it was a disappointment. It was rejected as a fighter for the USAAF and consideration was given to scrapping the program. It was only with the British Merlin engine that the Mustang was a successful fighter. It was great as a long range high altitude escort and dog fighter but it had a big weakness in the ground attack role. The water cooled engine was succeptable to ground fire where a single hit on the cooling system could bring down the plane.

The P-47 was superb in the ground attack role carrying a heavy load of ordinance. The plane could take a lot of punishment from ground fire on its air frame and air cooled radial engine. It had by far the best pilot mission surviveability rate. It was also a very effective dog fighter against Me109 and FW190.

"In Europe during the critical first three months of 1944 when the German aircraft industry and Berlin were heavily attacked, the P-47 shot down more German fighters than did the P-51 (570 out of 873), and shot down approximately 900 of the 1,983 claimed during the first six months of 1944. In Europe, Thunderbolts flew more sorties (423,435) than P-51s, P-38s and P-40s combined. Indeed, it was the P-47 which broke the back of the Luftwaffe in the critical period of January–May 1944"

The P-47 was so highly regarded with it's huge panels of shiny sheet metal, powerful engine and fins (wings and tail) that after the war it inspired the design of the Big metal and chrome, finned muscle cars of the 1950's and 1960's.

Terry

 

[uksubs]

Call the Mustang an American fighter if you like, but it was a success only with the Merlin engine. The Mustang was originally designed and built for the Brits- not for the Americans and it was a disappointment. It was rejected as a fighter for the USAAF and consideration was given to scrapping the program. It was only with the British Merlin engine that the Mustang was a successful fighter. It was great as a long range high altitude escort and dog fighter but it had a big weakness in the ground attack role. The water cooled engine was succeptable to ground fire where a single hit on the cooling system could bring down the plane.

The P-47 was superb in the ground attack role carrying a heavy load of ordinance. The plane could take a lot of punishment from ground fire on its air frame and air cooled radial engine. It had by far the best pilot mission surviveability rate. It was also a very effective dog fighter against Me109 and FW190.

The P-47 was so highly regarded with it's huge panels of shiny sheet metal, powerful engine and fins (wings and tail) that after the war it inspired the design of the Big metal and chrome, finned muscle cars of the 1950's and 1960's.

Terry

Your spot on with what your saying Terry just a shame they used the p51 in Korea in the ground attack roll with a lot of good pilots being lost

 

[OzDigger]

Call the Mustang an American fighter if you like, but it was a success only with the Merlin engine. The Mustang was originally designed and built for the Brits- not for the Americans and it was a disappointment. It was rejected as a fighter for the USAAF and consideration was given to scrapping the program. It was only with the British Merlin engine that the Mustang was a successful fighter. It was great as a long range high altitude escort and dog fighter but it had a big weakness in the ground attack role. The water cooled engine was succeptable to ground fire where a single hit on the cooling system could bring down the plane.

The P-47 was superb in the ground attack role carrying a heavy load of ordinance. The plane could take a lot of punishment from ground fire on its air frame and air cooled radial engine. It had by far the best pilot mission surviveability rate. It was also a very effective dog fighter against Me109 and FW190.

"In Europe during the critical first three months of 1944 when the German aircraft industry and Berlin were heavily attacked, the P-47 shot down more German fighters than did the P-51 (570 out of 873), and shot down approximately 900 of the 1,983 claimed during the first six months of 1944. In Europe, Thunderbolts flew more sorties (423,435) than P-51s, P-38s and P-40s combined. Indeed, it was the P-47 which broke the back of the Luftwaffe in the critical period of January–May 1944"

The P-47 was so highly regarded with it's huge panels of shiny sheet metal, powerful engine and fins (wings and tail) that after the war it inspired the design of the Big metal and chrome, finned muscle cars of the 1950's and 1960's.

Terry

Terry old mate, I didn't call the Mustang anything, except pretty :wink2:

But you do get the Magic Mitch award for fastest Wiki answers (just kidding Mitch, we luv the way you think buddy) ^&grin

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Terry old mate, I didn't call the Mustang anything, except pretty :wink2:

But you do get the Magic Mitch award for fastest Wiki answers (just kidding Mitch, we luv the way you think buddy) ^&grin

The info is from reading on the WWII aircraft, readings on WWII air combat operations, histories of some fighter units that used both the P-47 and P-51 and could compare them, and statistical sources on missions, air victories, ground attack stats and stats on pilot survival Readings over many years - not quick at all.. In short, if the US could have had only P-51s or P-47s, IMO they would have been better off with the P-47.

The P-51 was a better looking aircraft in keeping with the idea of what a WWII fighter should look like (Spitfire, Me109, FW190) and was glamorized by the press and Hollywood. Just like the B-17 was glamorized over the B-24 which in my opinion was a better bomber and did more to win the war.

Terry

 

[jazzeum]

Very nice Brad

Neil,

Unfortunately, I don't own this. Took it from the K & C site.

Brad

 

[OzDigger]

The info is from reading on the WWII aircraft, readings on WWII air combat operations, histories of some fighter units that used both the P-47 and P-51 and could compare them, and statistical sources on missions, air victories, ground attack stats and stats on pilot survival Readings over many years - not quick at all.. In short, if the US could have had only P-51s or P-47s, IMO they would have been better off with the P-47.

The P-51 was a better looking aircraft in keeping with the idea of what a WWII fighter should look like (Spitfire, Me109, FW190) and was glamorized by the press and Hollywood. Just like the B-17 was glamorized over the B-24 which in my opinion was a better bomber and did more to win the war.

Terry

Ok, all kidding aside......for a short time. I'm well aware of the history of the P-51 and the P-47, and I'm in full agreement with you on a factual basis. However another fact is that icons are rarely based on facts, perception rather than reality rules. Take, the AC/Ford Cobra 427 sports car for example. Ask 100 Americans and few will recall the British AC part, most will say that its a great icon of American design/culture.

 

[uksubs]

This is a nice one

 

[wayne556517]

Sorry guys, but I am a purist at heart and consider the Mustang to be an "American" fighter plane, not British (despite the Merlin engine). By the way, I do not recall an American version of the Spitfire. {sm0}

What about this baby,would love one made.

Specifications for the Vought F4U Corsair
Performance
Max Speed:
417 mph / 362 knots
Max Range:
1,015 miles
Armament
Six 12.7mm (0.5 inch) wing-mounted machine guns
2,000 lb. of drop bombs and rockets
Powerplant
Engine:
One Pratt & Whitney R-2800-8 18-cylinder Double Wasp two-row air-cooled radial engine, generating 2,000 hp

 

[lancer]

What about this baby,would love one made.

Specifications for the Vought F4U Corsair
Performance
Max Speed:
417 mph / 362 knots
Max Range:
1,015 miles
Armament
Six 12.7mm (0.5 inch) wing-mounted machine guns
2,000 lb. of drop bombs and rockets
Powerplant
Engine:
One Pratt & Whitney R-2800-8 18-cylinder Double Wasp two-row air-cooled radial engine, generating 2,000 hp
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I'm a little bit out of left field on this one as I would like to see one in New Zealand colors, to match the photos my father took of them during his time in the Pacific. I'm not sure where the pics were taken but I know he was on Bougainville for a while, and the airfield was muddy. -- Al

 

[amund]

Brad,

I surrender. I hope that Andy will make a Mustang in British markings for our friends "across the pond"! :smile2:

Alex

 

[jazzeum]

Alex,

Hope you know all in jest. Anyway, Andy seems to agree with if you saw his post this morning.

He said:

"2. RAF Mustang?

I personally like it a lot but (that word again) believe most collectors would prefer USAAF versions and so…"


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So, there you go :smile2:

Brad

 

[Mitch]

No offence taken (or, I should have said I am going to report this scandalous slur linking me with such a pants site). Each page may as well start with ''once upon a time'' I like facts.

Anyway back to the aircraft. I know what Amund means when the spitfire was released I thought the first version should have been a completely brit version but, versions one and two were Kiwi and US!!!!!

So, I remarked one for myself which, I showed here. So, I am, as I have said, happy the red tail version has been done (over any other that could have been) but, would still like to see a brit version but, can't see it as we have just had a later version of the spit

Mitch

Terry old mate, I didn't call the Mustang anything, except pretty :wink2:

But you do get the Magic Mitch award for fastest Wiki answers (just kidding Mitch, we luv the way you think buddy) ^&grin

 

[uksubs]

Still hoping Andy will make this