Resale market collapse (3 Viewers)

[STONEWALL JACKSON]

Kaiser staff car goes for 75.00 on ebay.

Resale market in full collapse

retired stuff now worth less than original price

yikes!

 

[tdubel]

Kaiser staff car goes for 75.00 on ebay.

Resale market in full collapse

retired stuff now worth less than original price

yikes!

Cmon, one piece from a not as popular series as WW2? Recent pieces are not going up in value like their predecessors, but I bet you 10 grand I can sell every piece of my retired Normandy village for at least $200 per piece buy it now in about 12 hours?>?? That equates to a huge investment gain from original retail, that doesn't sound like a market collapse to me.

Taker?

As in any collectible market, it goes in trends, something hot one month is not the next. AND anything pre 2006 is doing pretty well.

Tom

 

[binder001]

That is why a whole bunch of us have been saying for years "Buy the stuff you like, don't worry about the resale". Over the years a number of "hobby" items have offered good returns on investment for a while. That's why I only buy the items I enjoy and want on my display shelf. If they accrue in value, fine, if not I have a fine miniature to display.

Gary B.

 

[tdubel]

That is why a whole bunch of us have been saying for years "Buy the stuff you like, don't worry about the resale". Over the years a number of "hobby" items have offered good returns on investment for a while. That's why I only buy the items I enjoy and want on my display shelf. If they accrue in value, fine, if not I have a fine miniature to display.

Gary B.

And this is as good as advice as you ever will receive.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

And that is why almost everything I have is on display or regularly rotated. Unless I enjoy looking at a piece, I don't buy it. I do not have a warehouse to store extras and have never bought an item for investment. I have pieces that have gone way up in value, but I really like them and can't see selling them.

Terry

 

[10TH LA.]

Kaiser staff car goes for 75.00 on ebay.

Resale market in full collapse

retired stuff now worth less than original price

yikes!

I have to admit your half right .....I do not sell anything .....but do buy a few K&C items from eBay if I can't find anywhere else ....I have definitely seen most items selling for less .....even the winter tiger that I bought a few years ago mib....sold for less than I paid ......I am not a speculator ...I buy what I enjoy....and the Normandy Village still sells well!!!!!!!

 

[Phantom Warrior]

A slow or down market is hardly a collapsing market. Prices are low compared to pre-recession, but good pieces are not being given away nor is the hobby in decline and losing collectors. And good pieces cannot be picked up for next to nothing. In addition, manufacturers have reduced the size of production runs to reflect the current economy. Some of these lower production runs could be the next wave of high priced retired items when the economy improves. Remember that 65% of the toy soldier market is in the US, the country suffering the most in the recession.

Terry

 

[Udo Kar]

It could be worse, being a nerd I also collect Star Wars and 1/6 scale figures, which means the resale value is almost nil.....

 

[lancer]

That is why a whole bunch of us have been saying for years "Buy the stuff you like, don't worry about the resale". Over the years a number of "hobby" items have offered good returns on investment for a while. That's why I only buy the items I enjoy and want on my display shelf. If they accrue in value, fine, if not I have a fine miniature to display.

Gary B.

THE MANTRA. There may be a little gold in them thar figures, but there is a whole lotta lead there, too. -- Al

 

[J.Sparrow]

Well it's about time.

It's sad when you try to purchase a retired piece that's not too old and some JOKER is asking upwards of a $1000.00 dollars. This wonderful hobby should not alienate someone from getting involved in collecting because of cost. Yes, make a profit but not bankrupt an individual. I know adults both young and old who would love to get involved in this hobby, but can't, due to cost or even because the cost of finding past pieces to make a collection worth while is just TOO EXPENSIVE to get involved with in the first place. My son and his friends are a perfect example.
Maybe, people NOW see that it's MADNESS to pay $800.00 for a tank and two figures that was only released several years ago.
I can understand soldiers produced 30,40,50 plus years ago, fetching a high price for particular reasons, but recent releases shouldn't TURBINIZE someone.
This market should be about producing wonderful toy soldiers and at the same time allow the inclusion of as many collectors as possible and NOT EXCLUDE them because of the price. Money can still be made by the fist-fulls and still allow the average Joe to be a participant.

 

[theBaron]

Maybe there should be a toy soldier czar to set prices.

 

[glossman]

That is why a whole bunch of us have been saying for years "Buy the stuff you like, don't worry about the resale". Over the years a number of "hobby" items have offered good returns on investment for a while. That's why I only buy the items I enjoy and want on my display shelf. If they accrue in value, fine, if not I have a fine miniature to display.

Gary B.

That is way it should be for collectors.

I could not have said it any better.

Thanks, Raymond.

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[jazzeum]

On things I've sold lately, prices have been good, as it has been for the sellers of things I've purchased

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Collectors can begin collecting at any point in time without going bankrupt. There is no need to chase retired, expensive pieces. There are lots of newly released pieces by several manufacturers which are still available at the original price, and plenty of new models coming onto the market every month.

Terry

 

[Spitfrnd]

Glad it matters not to me. At the present, the newer releases hold much more appeal.

 

[glossman]

Collectors can begin collecting at any point in time without going bankrupt. There is no need to chase retired, expensive pieces. There are lots of newly released pieces by several manufacturers which are still available at the original price, and plenty of new models coming onto the market every month.

Terry

I completely agree with you on this.

It is the oft repeated reference to profit/loss of the resale of sets/figures on the forum of late that I find rather tiresome.

Raymond.

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[ecuriel]

i completely agree with you on this.

It is the oft repeated reference to profit/loss of the resale of sets/figures on the forum of late that i find rather tiresome.

Raymond.

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Amen!

 

[forlornhoper]

Terry is right,i started to collect "Toy Soldiers " 12 months ago,my starting point was the available pieces/ sets from the K&C range as of March 2009,not knowing what had come and gone before then.When the decision was made to enlarge /evolve my collection ,i looked back on the retired items with interest and immediately discovered the depth and range of the retired K&C items would exclude me from even attempting to catch up.I essentially buy what i really like new and old,i am of the opinion the retired pieces will all come around as and when fellow collectors have had their enjoyment from them therefore i tend to concentrate more on the new /present ranges and buy/or bid on the required retired pieces when they becomes available.I have noticed that on UK ebaY,there is no price pattern for the same K&C set, the prices seem to fluctuate week on week ,day on day making it difficult for me to get a handle on the "true value" so to speak,of a particular set that has appeared on consecutive weeks/days,my final decision is based on do i want it or not regardless of the price fluctuations.My observations seems to indicate that generally resale prices remain strong in the UK and cannot and would not make any comment on the US market,there are many better placed collectors in the US who would know how strong the resale prices are there.Just buy what you like,not what you think will resell well in the future,concentrate on enlarging / evolving your collection you will enjoy the hobby more,i know i have. ken

 

[Louis Badolato]

I'll let my grandchildren worry about the resale prices after I'm pushing up daisies . . . because that's when my collection is going to be sold.

 

[J.Sparrow]

Collectors can begin collecting at any point in time without going bankrupt. There is no need to chase retired, expensive pieces. There are lots of newly released pieces by several manufacturers which are still available at the original price, and plenty of new models coming onto the market every month.

Terry

Really????
And at what point are YOU refering too? I'd like to see where one can start purchasing past sets and/or retired vehicles besides the past 2-3 years where the asking price is not 3x higher if not more that the original sale price.

Chase retired/expensive pieces.
It's not a matter of the chase, but of trying to obtain a piece from the not so far past. Some can be used for current ranges now available. Example. Past vehicles to be used with the current battle of Arnhem releases.
The expensive=GREED. Were not talking about figures produced during the 1930's 0r 40's.

Manufacturers.
Yes, there are several. But I think most will agree that most manufacturers don't mix well together. And without naming companies, they charge ALOT MORE, for let's say a vehicle than another, so it's wise to remain with one company. Again without naming companies.

This hobby should not be out of reach to many people cause of price. If anything, it should encourge more collectors to get on board without roadblocks in the way. I attend shows and always hear from dealers about poor attendance. Wonder why?