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Quite likely. The Tiger 1 was the most overrated tank of WW2, it had great PR and a powerful fear factor. It's gun was the most potent thing about it. The Russians tok them out quite regularly with T34s - the original 76mm in the T34 wasn't that much different than the 75mm M3 in the Shermans.
 
Rob,

Well then, I stand corrected (not for the first time). More power to Joe Ekins and his Firefly Sherman! Now there is a nice idea for a Sherman variation. You should post a link to the photos from the Osprey website for the Honour Bound folks to review.

Hey Louis,as someone who is about as much use at posting as a chocolate teapot,i need an expert to help me.Mmmmmm who though,anyone out there fancy typing Osprey Duel into their search engine and posting a link for me?.:eek:

Rob
 
Whilst we are talking about Shermans i came across this in a Bi Monthly magazine i get called WW2.;

When German tank ace Michael Wittman was killed near St Aignan de Cramesnil on 8th August 1944,there was much dispute as to who had fired the fatal shot and a number of allies,including Poles and Canadians claimed they were responsible for his death.Sixty two years on however it was revealed by The Daily Mail on 24th June 2006 that the man who fired the shot that killed the Waffen SS tank ace was non other than 21 year old Joe Ekins of the 1st Northamptonshire Yeomanry.

Perhaps surprisingly,he had only ever fired five practice rounds before this Historic encounter with one of Germanys war heroes.After the D-day landings,Joe and his comrades had been stuck in their tanks at the bridge head for six weeks until finally going into action.He later explained how he came to meet Wittman in his feared Tiger;

" Eventually we went on a night march in a column-about four miles into German territory.We settled in an orchard near St Aignan de Cramesnil and in the morning the Germans counter attacked.I could see at least three Tigers coming and we had three Shermans and one Firefly.We pulled out of the orchard and i fired twice at the third tank at the rear and it blew up.We reversed into the orchard so we could come out in a different place.But the second Tiger fired two or three rounds and hit our turret lid.We pulled out again and fired at the second Tiger and it exploded.We pulled back again and by this time the third Tiger knew it had lost its two mates.I finished it off with two shells and had taken out all three in twelve minutes.We later hit one more tank and then we were knocked out.There was a loud bang and sparks flew,we got out and ran like hell".

It was only eight years after the war ended that he discovered that one of the people in the tank he had shot was German ace Wittman.Joe has nothing but praise for the Fireflies and commented that " It usually took five Shermans to beat one Tiger,but the Fireflies were better".

Today Joe has no regrets about his actions."When i heard about the concentration camps,i knew it was all worth it.I'm quite proud.Wittman was a Nazi from the start-he must have known about the camps .It didn't matter who killed him,just that he was killed".


I hope you don't mind me posting this,i just thought it was fascinating to read his account.

Rob

Thanks Rob for the story,

I couldn't agree more with ole Joe. Great shot, I mean great shots!

Carlos
 
Hey Louis,as someone who is about as much use at posting as a chocolate teapot,i need an expert to help me.Mmmmmm who though,anyone out there fancy typing Osprey Duel into their search engine and posting a link for me?.:eek:

Rob

Rob, just go on the Osprey site and look at the photos. Then go up to the web address bar at the top of your screen, block it, click on edit, then copy to copy it. Then go back on the forum to this thread, click reply, when the screen to post a reply comes up, click edit, then paste, and a link to the osprey website should appear in your post.
 
Many of these combat encounters happen so quickly & in such a mass of confusion that no one - including the participants - have much idea what really happened. It reminds me of the death of von Richthofen when several parties fired at him from different directions. One interesting thing about the Wittmann Tiger was that the turret was blown completely off. Due to its weight that could occur only from an internal explosion and not as a result of a hit from the Sherman/Firefly (although fire from an allied tank most likely ignited Wittmann's ammo).

Also, when discussing which tank is "best" you cannot just limit the discussion to firepower & armor. This is not like boxing where the participants go one on one in a neutral setting. Those are important factors, but less so when the allies could field 40 shermans for every tiger (more if you take into consideration that many Tigers were on the eastern front). The allies not only produced 50,000 Shermans, but had to transport them across the ocean often for landings on the beach. That was quite a feat. If they produced a tank equivalent to the Tiger or Panther that number would have been drastically reduced and taken much longer to reach the battlefield. It took 300,000 manhours to produce one Tiger! Even so how could you land a Tiger at Normandy or in Pacific? The Sherman could have been made into a better tank - no doubt, but it certainly fulfilled its strategic role even if it lacking was in some tactical aspects.
 
In Carlo D'Este's Decision at Normandy, the author quotes James Lucas' and James Barker's The Killing Ground about the end of Wittmann near Falaise.

"During the Battle of Cintheaux, he had attacked a group of Sherman tanks head on and had smashed two of them. The remaining five opened fire upon him and at point blank range. No crew members were seen to leave the Tiger."

By the way, these two books are must reading, particularly D'Este's.
 
:D Jeff,for what i always use it for."Darling i'm at the show,how much should i spend"?!.:D

Rob
 
:D Jeff,for what i always use it for."Darling i'm at the show,how much should i spend"?!.:D

Rob

Rob - here's the plan. When you call home to your wife, you just might 'accidentally' call Tony's mum instead. All you will ask is, "How much should I spend," and wait for the response...

Then when the bill comes you can say, "But dear, I thought you agreed...."
 
Rob - here's the plan. When you call home to your wife, you just might 'accidentally' call Tony's mum instead. All you will ask is, "How much should I spend," and wait for the response...

Then when the bill comes you can say, "But dear, I thought you agreed...."

:D Nice one Peter, a brilliant plan! .Thats what i love about this forum,its full of criminal genius!

Rob
 
"As much as you like darling, but don't forget to leave some aside for the divorce proceedings" :D


Hi mate,do you think the solicitor would take a Hummel as down payment?:D

Rob
 
Ana,

If I order the black/green sherman, do the two figures from the two camo version come with it.

Thanks
 
:) Hello Ana! Would like to see a SHERMAN M4A1, Rounded Cast HULL, with 75MM Gun in British 8th Army Version?
 
I think a Desert Sherman is in the Pipeline John,its just what my 8th Army needs:)

Rob
 

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