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[OzDigger]

Matt,
Just a minor point.

Each paying attendee gets a free figure. Had forgotten about Tony attending with his wife and son Sean. However whilst they would have received three figures I know they were not three special figures. Pretty sure each time his wife has got a Chinese lady musician figure and young Sean a figure of his choice as he has a little collection of his own. The special figures remaining I have sold at normal figure price to shop or mail order collectors who could not make it to the dinner. This year I did have one collector want to pay for two dinners to get two figures (he has over 600 SS figures). He paid for the dinner of another attendee who otherwise would not have attended.

I offered one from last year (at $57 incl P/H) to a member of this forum who I could see had a collection of club/special figures but not that one (pilot). He did not want it. That was months before he started his poll about K&C dealers posting {sm4}.

This year after the dinner a couple of collectors brought their special figures in to trade for figures that suited their interests. No problem. They would be well aware, from me, the special figures should be worth more on Ebay than a normal figure.

I agree with the special figures remaining special. In some cases certain figures would be more desirable to the attendees than others (ie. in Brisbane the RAF/RAAF pilot figure more popular than a Brit Navy or SS figure). However I do know collectors happy to keep them as they know they are rarer figures.

As has been indicated by PA44 the Texas Show special figures are handled in a different way and I am pretty sure one of his main critics (elsewhere) would have done the same based on that persons previous Ebay sales.

In relation to the Stuka if what PA44 said is correct when he says he bought over a period of weeks then it indicates the Stuka demand was not that high (which confirms my own thoughts based on feedback from collectors I know).

Regards
Brett
PS Only noted PA's post after posting this but have to go somewhere so not responding just now.

Hi Brett, as well as Tony, his wife and Sean, there was also the Brit guy seated to my left at the diner who had Two boys with him. I believe they each received a figure, as they should imo. I should mention that said Brit guy won the first prize in the lucky draw and chose a figure he liked rather than the more expensive RAF Refueler that I suggested, so not everyone is out to turn a profit in this hobby, not that that's a bad thing as such. Btw, that RAF Refueler was subsequently chosen as a prize by the guy sitting on my Right, I still haven't won anything at these diners, is this another conspiracy ^&grin

 

[Rob]

Mitch, you say you don't care if someone disagrees with you and then you drag up the old forum 'debate' I had with you (and Rob) concerning the "Battle of Britain" which was subsequently linked with your "Britain Standing Alone" assertion. Clearly you and Rob cared very much that I disagreed with you, on both matters, to the point that I was branded by you both as being Anti-British and even Pro-Nazi purely because I did not share your point of view on those Two military subjects. I would love to continue such debates on this public forum like the historical debates that used to occur here several years back, but sadly those days are gone.

So much for not going back there then Matt. Now you've mentioned my name in this thread that had nothing to do with me I should point out that I did not think you anti British because you disagreed with me, it was because of several posts of yours over some time.

Rob

 

[OzDigger]

So much for not going back there then Matt. Now you've mentioned my name in this thread that had nothing to do with me I should point out that I did not think you anti British because you disagreed with me, it was because of several posts of yours over some time.

Rob

Rob, Mitch decided to rake it up again not me. In anycase I would be interested to know what posts you are refering to b/c I can't recall anything of significance apart from the Two subjects I mentioned.

 

[Rob]

Rob, Mitch decided to rake it up again not me. In anycase I would be interested to know what posts you are refering to b/c I can't recall anything of significance apart from the Two subjects I mentioned.

So why bring me into it? Really Matt I thought all this crap was over and we'd moved on.

Rob

 

[OzDigger]

So why bring me into it? Really Matt I thought all this crap was over, I took you at your word.

Rob

Fair enough, lets leave the past alone, but do you still think I am anti British?

 

[Rob]

Fair enough, lets leave the past alone, but do you still think I am anti British?

Since you have returned I've not seen you write anything anti British Oz. The nearest was when you said you wanted to beat the English in the Olympics^&grin (you didn't by the way:wink2

Seriously, I can only go on what I read, back then yes I did think you had a very strong ant Brit agenda , but we talked and moved forward so that is History. I TOTALLY disagree with you and agree 100% with Mitch if you believe the B.O.B was not a major defeat for the Nazi's and with greatest respect I think you are in a tiny minority in that one Oz in that most historians appear to believe it was. But that is a different subject and I digress, I say again since you returned I've not seen any anti Brit comments. I don't want to go back there Oz, it got nasty and made this place an unhappy forum. Lets not do that again.

Rob

 

[uksubs]

Since you have returned I've not seen you write anything anti British Oz. The nearest was when you said you wanted to beat the English in the Olympics^&grin (you didn't by the way:wink2

Seriously, I can only go on what I read, back then yes I did think you had a very strong ant Brit agenda , but we talked and moved forward so that is History. I TOTALLY disagree with you and agree 100% with Mitch if you believe the B.O.B was not a major defeat for the Nazi's and with greatest respect I think you are in a tiny minority in that one Oz in that most historians appear to believe it was. But that is a different subject and I digress, I say again since you returned I've not seen any anti Brit comments. I don't want to go back there Oz, it got nasty and made this place an unhappy forum. Lets not do that again.

Rob

Could we please stick to talking about show figures thank :smile2:

 

[Rob]

Could we please stick to talking about show figures thank :smile2:

Considering that my name was mentioned in a thread I had nothing to do with I think it perfectly reasonable to answer Neil, I'm sure you would have done the same.

Rob

 

[The Military Workshop]

Hi Brett, as well as Tony, his wife and Sean, there was also the Brit guy seated to my left at the diner who had Two boys with him. I believe they each received a figure, as they should imo. I should mention that said Brit guy won the first prize in the lucky draw and chose a figure he liked rather than the more expensive RAF Refueler that I suggested, so not everyone is out to turn a profit in this hobby, not that that's a bad thing as such. Btw, that RAF Refueler was subsequently chosen as a prize by the guy sitting on my Right, I still haven't won anything at these diners, is this another conspiracy ^&grin

Matt,

The guy with two boys got two figures as one of his boys was a last minute attendee who had a free meal because another collector who had pre paid dropped out on the day (the collector got the figure). Incidentally the Dad was not the collector and has mentioned trading in the special figure also as his son is not collecting WWII.

Regarding not winning a prize there is always next year{sm4}. At least you were on a table with some who did win something. For conspiracies the dinner when all the ladies, except one, and young Sean won something was definitely suspicious. I still can't work out how they rigged it as I was holding the container with the names in it {sm4}

Regards
Brett

 

[OzDigger]

Since you have returned I've not seen you write anything anti British Oz. The nearest was when you said you wanted to beat the English in the Olympics^&grin (you didn't by the way:wink2

Seriously, I can only go on what I read, back then yes I did think you had a very strong ant Brit agenda , but we talked and moved forward so that is History. I TOTALLY disagree with you and agree 100% with Mitch if you believe the B.O.B was not a major defeat for the Nazi's and with greatest respect I think you are in a tiny minority in that one Oz in that most historians appear to believe it was. But that is a different subject and I digress, I say again since you returned I've not seen any anti Brit comments. I don't want to go back there Oz, it got nasty and made this place an unhappy forum. Lets not do that again.

Rob

Rob, maybe you could send me some examples of my past Anti Brit agenda by personal messages as I would be interested to see what your interpretation of being "Anti British" actually is.

As for the Battle of Britain debate, yes let's not go there again as we must at best agree to disagree there. Suffice to say I read a lot of military history books and many authors agree with my pov, for example I recently reborrowed "The Second World War - A Military History" by Gordon Corrigan which I can recommend to those forum members interested in WWII history.

 

[OzDigger]

Could we please stick to talking about show figures thank :smile2:

Fair enough Neil, nothing more from me about it as I hate thread jacking as much as most others.

 

[Rob]

Fair enough Neil, nothing more from me about it as I hate thread jacking as much as most others.

Yep me too. Although actually this is Mitch's thread, he mentioned the B.OB. and knowing his passion for the subject I doubt he's crying into his cornflakes because we mentioned it, I think Mitch is adult enough not to get too upset over it!:wink2:^&grin

Back to show figures.

Rob

 

[uksubs]

Fair enough Neil, nothing more from me about it as I hate thread jacking as much as most others.

Cheer Matt

 

[OzDigger]

Matt,

The guy with two boys got two figures as one of his boys was a last minute attendee who had a free meal because another collector who had pre paid dropped out on the day (the collector got the figure). Incidentally the Dad was not the collector and has mentioned trading in the special figure also as his son is not collecting WWII.

Regarding not winning a prize there is always next year{sm4}. At least you were on a table with some who did win something. For conspiracies the dinner when all the ladies, except one, and young Sean won something was definitely suspicious. I still can't work out how they rigged it as I was holding the container with the names in it {sm4}

Regards
Brett

Brett, I guess you would know for sure as I wasn't really taking down notes on who got what, it was just my understanding that was how the Show Figure system worked based partly on what you and others have said in the past. As for those women winning most prizes, I recall that occured at the 2010 diner, what are the odds, I smell a conspiracy.

 

[Rob]

Guys...

We all know that there are some decent figures presented at shows from K&C and a few others. These are nice items meant to give the collector a little something special as a freebie or, to purchase on their visit.

What I would like to know is do people agree or not that perhaps K&C could sell these later from their store or from other dealers around the world in a run to collectors? if not, should they ensure that attendee's only get one figure either as a gift or, are allowed to buy only one. At least it would help stop these wonderful people who then sell them on for as much as they can. although I know it would not stop them completely it would curtail their actions.

I would think this would be a good idea. firstly, it would certainly sell after seeing some of the figures and it would also stop the speculators from selling at really ridiculous prices that you see either before the show has actually ended or, a few months later for over $100 per figure.

As the Chicago show draws close and show figures presumably will be released I know that I would rather give the manufacturer or a dealer the money than speculators who care little about the hobby or the collectors in it.

It just seems the companies could make a decent profit sell desirable figures at a fair price to collectors and, assist in reducing the speculative nature that a few plague our hobby with. It seems a win win situation to me.
Mitch

Mitch, very interesting post. I don't want to get into the rights and wrongs of selling these things, I've seen all the arguments that have been going on and read both sides of view. I for one consider myself very fortunate indeed that thanks to such good and generous friends on this forum I've received several of these figures free of charge over the years and I can't say how much I've appreciated it. I think your suggestion of a limited run of these would be good as it would give those who live across the world from the show and simply cannot be there a chance to pick one up later, this is purely because as I say I know how great it is to get one of these sent to you after a show. I've seen these figures go for some very high prices and it is of course up to each collector how much they are prepared to pay for them, me personally I never sell them as they were given to me by friends.

Just my tuppence worth Mitch.

Rob

 

[The Military Workshop]

Well there Brett, You are assuming that you know all of the facts behind all of the garbage which is taking place here. First we need to identify what a speculator is !
What is a speculator ?????? If it is someone who corners a market and buys up everything to prevent others from obtaining it then yes that is a speculator.
If I find an item and can go back week after week for 7 weeks to buy and resell then that falls under an E-Bay seller.........Just as you yourself have done !!
You have a pretty healthy E-Bay selling experience.....Why can't I ????
Some think they can sell and do on E-Bay as they please, but when another sells the comments fly. Do as I say... Not as I do ????? I don't think so................
I sell on E-Bay as thousands of people do....nothing Illegal and all on the up and up. I am not a speculator sad to say.... As far as the repainter for profit goes
he is doing nothing different than I nor yourself. I never prevented anyone from obtaining something. 7 weeks is a long time for an item to sit dormant isn't it ??
Fellow collectors could have bought the very same item as I but in nearly 2 months failed to do so. You better believe the source was more than happy to sell the
same item to one individual week after week since NO ONE ELSE WAS BUYING THEM .

PA44,
Since you have decided to continue on the subject I am happy to oblige you.

I am not sure how my Ebay selling is helping support your argument. However for the record I am a dealer and yes I have sold on Ebay. My feedback number is 982 and I would guess about 979 have been sales. I joined in FEB 2004.

You commented :
STUKAS: I have bought Stukas one at a time and listed them up for auction. Yes....ONE AT A TIME. If the item sold on the internet, another one was "PURCHASED"
So in theory if I sold one and went back to obtain another and supplies were sold out that would have been the end of it. To be a speculator I would have had to buy
all at one time, and that did not happen. 8 obtained over a 7 week period of time. Anyone else had the same opportunity as I did over a 7 WEEK timeframe !!!!"

A look (today) at the completed Ebay Stuka sales on Ebay USA shows the following :

12 JULY $450
(sold by one of your critics who has in the past been a well known speculator - ie early TG, Figarti V2 items, K&C ltd ed Nap set, K&C Chaffee to name a few).

and the following 6 are yours (does not include your last one listed that did not sell).
13 JULY $439 1 day
14 JULY $439 1 day
15 JULY $399 1 day
26 JULY $404 1 day
3 AUG $393 3 days
16 AUG $379 5 days

Note these are the ended dates of the sales. You may recall you started a thread called Figarti Stuka photos on 14 JULY which indicated you had just received yours (and pointed out damage that was a cause of concern for others and may even have put others off buying). I guess you would be one of the first to receive one. However your Ebay sales show you listed your first one on 12 JULY. Note you sold three in three days on Ebay and your first four auctions were listed for only one day each. This suggests to me you were in a hurry to sell as many as you could as quickly as you could.

Seems to me to be speculating instead of helping a dealer move slow moving stock. Those first three sales I am guessing are during the first week when the Stukas became available. Since you have posted receipts of last two purchases why not post your first three ? Minor point but your 7 week period seems more like 5 weeks.

I think you still do not get the point about why people not happy about this. The fact is on 24 AUG you started a thread titled Should Figarti increase production numbers and mentioned it would prevent Ebay gauging. You also advised people to pre order to avoid missing out. A number of people at that point were aware you had sold multiple Stukas by then and like myself were less than impressed by the nature of your posts.

However you also commented "You better believe the source was more than happy to sell the same item to one individual week after week since NO ONE ELSE WAS BUYING THEM ." If that was the case why were you suggesting Figarti should double production numbers ? Based on what you are saying there was little demand.

Regarding the Texas Show my view is different as that show figure is handled in a different way to the dinner events. If they are available for sale at the show and there is no purchase limit imposed then good luck. However my view would be different if it turned out there were people at the show who were unable to buy one as already sold out. I am pretty sure at least two of your critics, who both sold their Stukas on Ebay soon after receiving them, would have done the same thing.

Regards
Brett

 

[The Military Workshop]

Brett, I guess you would know for sure as I wasn't really taking down notes on who got what, it was just my understanding that was how the Show Figure system worked based partly on what you and others have said in the past. As for those women winning most prizes, I recall that occured at the 2010 diner, what are the odds, I smell a conspiracy.

Oz,
I think we can safely say the Texas show figure is not dealt with in the same way as the Dinner/Talk type figures in Brisbane, LA and Chicago (as I mentioned in post just now).
I think it would be in Kings X / K&C best interests to sell as many as possible at the show.
In Brisbane case they are a gift from K&C to the collector attending the Dinner
Regards
Brett

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Brett, you are trying to tie in dates now but it is not difficult to purchase another item while the other is being bid on. You are correct in stating my beloved compadres would do the same if the opportunity showed itself to them.
As far as dinner and show figures, the dinner figures are tightly controlled here in the U.S. also. One given per paid dinner
Participant. Like I mentioned earlier show figures can be bought in multiples and collectors attending shows can pick up extras to
Send off to others with a little coordination. I mean if someone here on Treefrog asked me next May to send them a Texas Show
Figure I would have no problem doing it. Just cover the cost and shipping and its not a problem. UkReb got his General Hood from
Me. I initiated the idea to him and he paid for the cost of the figure plus shipping to the U.K. Seeing his civil War dioramas I was
More than happy to help him out. There are a ton of forum members on both sides of the pond to make it all happen.
Nothing hard about a bit of talking and coordinating between forum members to get these show figures.

 

[Mitch]

Brett...

good post!! The wheat from the chaffe so, to speak.

Rob....

No not crying into the cornflakes at all. we let Goering do the crying over his bratwurst, after the whipping he got at our hands!!! It (the BOB) had been raised recently in PM so, I thought it was pertinent to mention it with the comments Matt raised.

PA...

Thanks for responding!!! No garbage, gibberish, no witch hunt, nor are there K&C haters after you. There is no need. This thread was simply a yes or no about post show figures and some of the reasons why I thought it was a good idea. which, I still do.

You are right if I had seven stukas plus from Figarti I would probably sell them I am known for buying many many multiples of figures I like but, I don't feel the need to hoc everything I get. I would though, have been open enough about it to everyone involved. You just fail to see that its not the selling thats at issue.

You also clearly stated on a number of occasions including threads that you started that all the stukas were pre sold on the pre order. Now you are trying to say that you were able against the odds of everyone else to source a Luftflotte!!

Now, if we can get back to show figures.
Mitch

 

[Rob]

Brett...

good post!! The wheat from the chaffe so, to speak.

Rob....

No not crying into the cornflakes at all. we let Goering do the crying over his bratwurst, after the whipping he got at our hands!!! It (the BOB) had been raised recently in PM so, I thought it was pertinent to mention it with the comments Matt raised.

PA...

Thanks for responding!!! No garbage, gibberish, no witch hunt, nor are there K&C haters after you. There is no need. This thread was simply a yes or no about post show figures and some of the reasons why I thought it was a good idea. which, I still do.

You are right if I had seven stukas plus from Figarti I would probably sell them I am known for buying many many multiples of figures I like. I would though, have been open enough about it to everyone involved. You just fail to see that its not the selling thats at issue.

Now, if we can get back to show figures.
Mitch

Thanks Mitch, when you and Matt first discussed the B.O.B issue in your thread there did not seem to be a problem for anybody with it, when I mentioned it suddenly there apparently was!

Cheers

Rob