Tank Barrel problems......... (3 Viewers)

[notascoldasbastogne]

Do what a Nurse does, Lift up the Barrel and put a folded paper or what be, to keep it sticking up!!! easy
as that

 

[Mitch]

Neil...

We were talking K&C I have had issues with some of the HB ones but, just tightened them up myself. It seems only to have been an issue on some the panthers as every other german and allied AFV I have of theirs are perfect.
Mitch

I must be unlucky as even HB Panther had the problem

 

[arnhem44mad]

I have 4 sherman fireflies, 1 droops extremely, but this does not matter as the tank is supposed to look blown up, 2 barrells ar slightly drooping, and 1 is level and probably soon to be:redface2:

 

[Bayern]

I have 4 sherman fireflies, 1 droops extremely, but this does not matter as the tank is supposed to look blown up, 2 barrells ar slightly drooping, and 1 is level and probably soon to be:redface2:

My conclusion to the question raised and the information posted as well as personally owning MANY KC tanks is:

There is a problem with the barrel's. I think it is a weak spring assembly.

Done deal.

Ludwig

 

[Mitch]

Not every AFV has problems as has been shown by some of the posts on here some do some don't and, not every AFV in a batch of the same has the problem. it seems more likely that its a very small number in comparison to what is sold or, this issue would be far more highlighted than it has been. To say done deal and conjecture as to a fundamental flaw in spring design with a handful of posts (which gives no clear indication one way or another) and, no other information means its far from a done deal really.
Mitch

 

[Bayern]

Not every AFV has problems as has been shown by some of the posts on here some do some don't and, not every AFV in a batch of the same has the problem. it seems more likely that its a very small number in comparison to what is sold or, this issue would be far more highlighted than it has been. To say done deal and conjecture as to a fundamental flaw in spring design with a handful of posts (which gives no clear indication one way or another) and, no other information means its far from a done deal really.
Mitch

Do not agree Mitch. I think the problem is everywhere. Some just do not want to admit it. No big deal.

 

[Mitch]

Thats your perogative to disagree. I have been fixing things for a long time been buying for a long time and, have seen thousands of AFV's and, apart from the broken sherman I mentioned in the thread which, was caused by too tight a spring I have only seen a few that have had issues. I have not had a problem with anything I own old or new and, thats certainly not just to garner favour or anything similar with manufacturers. Now, I also speak with lots of collectors outside of this forum in the UK and worldwide and, its not a topic that raises its head. Take that for what its worth.

I also must say that I am somewhat confused as to why some would not admit it??? I could understand manufacturers not wanting to discuss it but, dealers could not get away with a manufacturing fault according to you Everyone pays very good money for the sets they acquire and, we have just recently been discussing detail and accuracy and, what people expect. I find it hard to think people would say nothing if a very expensive set had a problem like this don't you?

I think nothing looks worse on a AFV than when the barral is pointing downwards and would be the first person to bring it up if this was a regular thing but, in over two years on here its never been a high priority as a issue about the products.
Mitch

QUOTE=Bayern;504198]Do not agree Mitch. I think the problem is everywhere. Some just do not want to admit it. No big deal.[/QUOTE]

 

[Rob]

Thats your perogative to disagree. I have been fixing things for a long time been buying for a long time and, have seen thousands of AFV's and, apart from the broken sherman I mentioned in the thread which, was caused by too tight a spring I have only seen a few that have had issues. I have not had a problem with anything I own old or new and, thats certainly not just to garner favour or anything similar with manufacturers. Now, I also speak with lots of collectors outside of this forum in the UK and worldwide and, its not a topic that raises its head. Take that for what its worth.

I also must say that I am somewhat confused as to why some would not admit it??? I could understand manufacturers not wanting to discuss it but, dealers could not get away with a manufacturing fault according to you Everyone pays very good money for the sets they acquire and, we have just recently been discussing detail and accuracy and, what people expect. I find it hard to think people would say nothing if a very expensive set had a problem like this don't you?

I think nothing looks worse on a AFV than when the barral is pointing downwards and would be the first person to bring it up if this was a regular thing but, in over two years on here its never been a high priority as a issue about the products.
Mitch

QUOTE=Bayern;504198]Do not agree Mitch. I think the problem is everywhere. Some just do not want to admit it. No big deal.

[/QUOTE]

I agree with this, if I had a drooping barrel and had paid perhaps £200 or more for a Tank I certainly wouldn't be keeping quiet about it, I'd be asking for a replacement or my hard earned back. I don't understand why anyone who had one would keep it, surely you'd send it back????

Rob

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I agree with this, if I had a drooping barrel and had paid perhaps £200 or more for a Tank I certainly wouldn't be keeping quiet about it, I'd be asking for a replacement or my hard earned back. I don't understand why anyone who had one would keep it, surely you'd send it back????

Rob[/QUOTE]

I always thought it was a "normal" problem. On checking with other collectors, they often had the same problem. People would fix it by jaming something in to the mantlet. That's probably why it never became an issue.

However, now that you have spilled the beans about your 100% enjoyment of elevated barrels, we collectors now know we should be treated better. That also explains the "R" designation on the model number as in hand picked for Rob.

To the castle with stones and torches :tongue:

Terry

 

[MapleLeaf]

There is a King Tiger on ebay for $150
The seller says piece in excellent shape , like new
but the tank barrel won't stay up
that's why it's only $150
I can't beleive it's a common problem
my son has 7 KC tank and none has a problem
Personnally for what u have to pay for a tank
today i would send it back

 

[Rob]

There is a King Tiger on ebay for $150
The seller says piece in excellent shape , like new
but the tank barrel won't stay up
that's why it's only $150
I can't beleive it's a common problem
my son has 7 KC tank and none has a problem
Personnally for what u have to pay for a tank
today i would send it back

Yes indeed, if you had one like this ok some might try a piece card or whatever but more than one and you think why don't you simply return it?

Rob

 

[uksubs]

Yes indeed, if you had one like this ok some might try a piece card or whatever but more than one and you think why don't you simply return it?

Rob

To be fair this should be picked up before they leave the factory

 

[uksubs]

Neil...

We were talking K&C I have had issues with some of the HB ones but, just tightened them up myself. It seems only to have been an issue on some the panthers as every other german and allied AFV I have of theirs are perfect.
Mitch

What i mean is it not just a kc problem with the gun barrel

 

[Rob]

To be fair this should be picked up before they leave the factory

Yes, but that does not explain why on earth you would not return it??? Also if you buy from a reputable source this sort of thing won't often happen and if it should you have a much better chance of getting it replaced.

Rob

 

[uksubs]

Yes, but that does not explain why on earth you would not return it??? Also if you buy from a reputable source this sort of thing won't often happen and if it should you have a much better chance of getting it replaced.

Rob

You got a point Rob but one of mine was a gift and to be honest it not a big deal to me

 

[Mitch]

I would think quality control at any toy soldier factory has to be a bit of a misnomer. Rob, you have been fortunate that you have not had any broken items and, not detracting from the service K&C UK offer as it is first class I don't think, the factory or, K&C or, many dealers have time to look at every single item and check after a delivery to see that everything is in order. particularly to look to see if a barral is lower than it should be. some may not even realise this is actually a problem if they saw it.

Remember the Flak 41 it went from completely broken to slightly to minor damage to none at all. If everyone was checking then this would never have got out of the factory or, to the collectors door. Some even got exchange after exchange that were broken.

You are just as likely to get a barral drooping from K&C HK, UK, or the guy that sells on ebay. Some have this some don't. what this thread shows (probably not how it was hoped) is its not the everyday occurance that some have stated.

I have been buying K&C and, in that time have only seen or had through my hands three items two of which were broken and one had a thumb print on a flag. I think in relation to K&C thats not bad going considering what I have bought.
Mitch

 

[Rob]

You got a point Rob but one of mine was a gift and to be honest it not a big deal to me

Ah, that's different then Neil. I only mentioned it because I think I saw Scott say he had three(was it??) Firefly's with drooping barrels, he should have sent them back in my view.

Rob

 

[Rob]

I would think quality control at any toy soldier factory has to be a bit of a misnomer. Rob, you have been fortunate that you have not had any broken items and, not detracting from the service K&C UK offer as it is first class I don't think, the factory or, K&C or, many dealers have time to look at every single item and check after a delivery to see that everything is in order. particularly to look to see if a barral is lower than it should be. some may not even realise this is actually a problem if they saw it.

Remember the Flak 41 it went from completely broken to slightly to minor damage to none at all. If everyone was checking then this would never have got out of the factory or, to the collectors door. Some even got exchange after exchange that were broken.

You are just as likely to get a barral drooping from K&C HK, UK, or the guy that sells on ebay. Some have this some don't. what this thread shows (probably not how it was hoped) is its not the everyday occurance that some have stated.

I have been buying K&C and, in that time have only seen or had through my hands three items two of which were broken and one had a thumb print on a flag. I think in relation to K&C thats not bad going considering what I have bought.
Mitch

Trouble is Mitch, if I ever got any item that was defective from K&C UK I know it would be replaced without question, I can imagine from ebay I may possibly get ' Yeah, right, I'll get right on that' !

I really must be lucky I guess as having heard quite a few Horror stories re Figarti I also never had a breakage from them either, as I said before I put this down to a flight into Britain as opposed to the long sea voyage that can be a tad rough!:wink2:

Oh well, all I can say is that anyone with a problem should raise it with their supplier for the best chance of getting it fixed or replaced.

Rob

 

[Mitch]

Rob...

I was like that about e-bay also but, its money back straight away and, there is always the buyer beware if the items are not from a dealer.

To be honest its a thing that happens but, not as much as some seem to hope for some collectors will go their entire buying time with no problems others will have them. fickle finger and all that.

I certainly don't think the barral issue is a manufacturing defect that was just a crazy thought. Do we think this little fire has been extinguished??? I am off to measure my barrals to make sure they have not dropped past their required straightness!!!!
Mitch

Trouble is Mitch, if I ever got any item that was defective from K&C UK I know it would be replaced without question, I can imagine from ebay I'd get ' Yeah, right, I'll get right on that' !

I really must be lucky I guess as having heard quite a few Horror stories re Figarti I also never had a breakage from them either, as I said before I put this down to a flight into Britain as opposed to the long sea voyage that can be a tad rough!:wink2:

Oh well, all I can say is that anyone with a problem should raise it with their supplier for the best chance of getting it fixed or replaced.

Rob

 

[Rob]

Rob...

I was like that about e-bay also but, its money back straight away and, there is always the buyer beware if the items are not from a dealer.

To be honest its a thing that happens but, not as much as some seem to hope for some collectors will go their entire buying time with no problems others will have them. fickle finger and all that.

I certainly don't think the barral issue is a manufacturing defect that was just a crazy thought. Do we think this little fire has been extinguished??? I am off to measure my barrals to make sure they have not dropped past their required straightness!!!!
Mitch

^&grin

I think we have Mitch!



Rob