The American Revolution by Ken Burns (2 Viewers)

[Combat]

The campaign against the Indians, or Native Americans if you prefer, was in retaliation for attacks committed against settlers such as the Cherry Valley Massacre.

It would be refreshing if some of these historians would provide a neutral buttssment of the conflicts with the Indians. The Indians would have slaughtered every European settler and other tribe had they the capacity to do so. They engaged in all manner of atrocities. Those atrocities resulted in retaliation by the European settlers. Unfortunately, it's impossible for modern day historians to make this point because it doesn't fit the narrative. They would be forever banned from the cocktail parties on Martha's Vineyard. Ironically, it is a perpetuation of the "noble savage" stereotype so prevalent in the movies of the 1950s that they also hate.

 

[Go for Broke]

It would be refreshing if some of these historians would provide a neutral buttssment of the conflicts with the Indians. The Indians would have slaughtered every European settler and other tribe had they the capacity to do so. They engaged in all manner of atrocities. Those atrocities resulted in retaliation by the European settlers. Unfortunately, it's impossible for modern day historians to make this point because it doesn't fit the narrative. They would be forever banned from the cocktail parties on Martha's Vineyard. Ironically, it is a perpetuation of the "noble savage" stereotype so prevalent in the movies of the 1950s that they also hate.

I read a book about Southwestern Indians and you would come away that they were real savages, not to just settlers, but other tribes too. Really brutal stuff. I guess its a competition for resources and territory.

 

[jazzeum]

Although I slept through most it, there's always something to learn. Last night's episode had the patriots going total war on the Indians, killing, destroying their houses and burning crops. Something new to me. Also laying a chain across a waterway to prevent the British from sailing up the river. I knew this from a Cromwell book. If I lived on the east coast, I would totally be into the Revolutionary War. I'm contemplating watching this series again, but at 12-hours long, it quite the commitment.

If you have Amazon Prime you can watch it at your leisure. I think you need to subscribe to PBS Docs on Prime, which I find to be worth it. I’ve been watching the West series that way.

 

[Dragoon]

I steam PBS, so the series is available to watch anytime. This probably makes it a more enjoyable viewing experience than 2 hrs. a night for several nights in a row. Also just starting the second book of Rick Atkinson's Revolution War trilogy so the series and books are overlapping nicely. - The battle maps are very well done, nicely illustrating the progression of the battles, especially the 3D village map depicting the battle of Trenton.

 

[Terp152]

I steam PBS, so the series is available to watch anytime. This probably makes it a more enjoyable viewing experience than 2 hrs. a night for several nights in a row. Also just starting the second book of Rick Atkinson's Revolution War trilogy so the series and books are overlapping nicely. - The battle maps are very well done, nicely illustrating the progression of the battles, especially the 3D village map depicting the battle of Trenton.

Atkinson's books on the ARW are outstanding. It takes him about 3-4 yrs to research each volume as he told me. So going to be a while before the last book is out.

 

[Dragoon]

Atkinson's books on the ARW are outstanding. It takes him about 3-4 yrs to research each volume as he told me. So going to be a while before the last book is out.

That's good to know. I thought it might already be published. - Guess I'll take my time reading book two.

 

[Combat]

I read a book about Southwestern Indians and you would come away that they were real savages, not to just settlers, but other tribes too. Really brutal stuff. I guess its a competition for resources and territory.

I think where historians miss the mark is not acknowledging that almost every event in early American history was driven by a desire to obtain wealth rather than some other guiding principle. It was not racism or conquest although those certainly existed. In many instances, racism or conflict with the Indians was merely byproducts of the economic engine and not the driving force. Our mostly liberal historians graft their own political bias onto events of the past to formulate a desired narrative for the present. They have a desire to emphasize certain motivations and downplay others. For America the objective was not necessarily to promote democracy, racism, or equality but seeking wealth. People came here for an opportunity to make a fortune. When there was economic gain to had through slavery, then there was slavery. Where there was not, there was no slavery. Same deal with the Indians. When the Indians interfered with the quest for wealth, they were dealt with harshly. When they cooperated, as many did, they were treated fairly. Racism could be overcome by economic incentives. Democracy was promoted when it allowed folks a greater opportunity to obtain wealth and ignored when it did not.

 

[Terp152]

I think where historians miss the mark is not acknowledging that almost every event in early American history was driven by a desire to obtain wealth rather than some other guiding principle. It was not racism or conquest although those certainly existed. In many instances, racism or conflict with the Indians was merely byproducts of the economic engine and not the driving force. Our mostly liberal historians graft their own political bias onto events of the past to formulate a desired narrative for the present. They have a desire to emphasize certain motivations and downplay others. For America the objective was not necessarily to promote democracy, racism, or equality but seeking wealth. People came here for an opportunity to make a fortune. When there was economic gain to had through slavery, then there was slavery. Where there was not, there was no slavery. Same deal with the Indians. When the Indians interfered with the quest for wealth, they were dealt with harshly. When they cooperated, as many did, they were treated fairly. Racism could be overcome by economic incentives. Democracy was promoted when it allowed folks a greater opportunity to obtain wealth and ignored when it did not.

You could also point out that Indians, notably the Cherokee, owned slaves.

 

[Terp152]

That's all well and good but it seems like it's the focal point of the series.

"Hey everybody, the Father of our country was not the swell guy you all thought he was."

Watched episode two yesterday, yes I'm behind but was finishing two other series, and about the first hour centered on slavery and specifically regarding G Washington. Joseph Ellis, the prolificate author of early American History and oft interviewed historian on this series, described Washington as the "indispensable American" in his books to which I would add J Adams and B Franklin. Yet Burns presents him in a totally negative perspective in this segment.

 

[Desertkiwi]

It would be refreshing if some of these historians would provide a neutral buttssment of the conflicts with the Indians. The Indians would have slaughtered every European settler and other tribe had they the capacity to do so. They engaged in all manner of atrocities. Those atrocities resulted in retaliation by the European settlers. Unfortunately, it's impossible for modern day historians to make this point because it doesn't fit the narrative. They would be forever banned from the cocktail parties on Martha's Vineyard. Ironically, it is a perpetuation of the "noble savage" stereotype so prevalent in the movies of the 1950s that they also hate.

Would whole heartedly agree.

Of course all of this reflects the 'anti-colonization' rhetoric western societies have been bombarded with in recent times, in conjunction with this 'white privilege' rubbish that has been indoctrinated into our youth by a horde of left leaning Marxist academics who have flooded and now dominate our educationally facilities.

According to their teachings we're all supposed to feel an overwhelming sense of guilt about how our forebears behaved towards the indigenous occupiers of these lands, while dismissing and deliberately ignoring reality so it can fit their Disneyland version of history.

Of course anyone questioning or attempting to debate this ideology is cancelled in an instance, labelled a racist and if you're really lucky called a 'fascist.'

 

[Horus]

Would whole heartedly agree.

Of course all of this reflects the 'anti-colonization' rhetoric western societies have been bombarded with in recent times, in conjunction with this 'white privilege' rubbish that has been indoctrinated into our youth by a horde of left leaning Marxist academics who have flooded and now dominate our educationally facilities.

According to their teachings we're all supposed to feel an overwhelming sense of guilt about how our forebears behaved towards the indigenous occupiers of these lands, while dismissing and deliberately ignoring reality so it can fit their Disneyland version of history.

Of course anyone questioning or attempting to debate this ideology is cancelled in an instance, labelled a racist and if you're really lucky called a 'fascist.'

The lefts go to words to avoid having a discussion or when as usual they are losing one, have become so debased through misuse, to have less and less effect.

They have just about reached the point where they just mean, you have a different opinion to me and I don't like it, so I'm just going to scream insults in the hope that something will stick, so that I don't have to examine what I've been mouthing, as I have a sneaking suspicion that you're right, and I can't ever admit that I might be wrong !

 

[OzDigger]

Would whole heartedly agree.

Of course all of this reflects the 'anti-colonization' rhetoric western societies have been bombarded with in recent times, in conjunction with this 'white privilege' rubbish that has been indoctrinated into our youth by a horde of left leaning Marxist academics who have flooded and now dominate our educationally facilities.

According to their teachings we're all supposed to feel an overwhelming sense of guilt about how our forebears behaved towards the indigenous occupiers of these lands, while dismissing and deliberately ignoring reality so it can fit their Disneyland version of history.

Of course anyone questioning or attempting to debate this ideology is cancelled in an instance, labelled a racist and if you're really lucky called a 'fascist.'

The lefts go to words to avoid having a discussion or when as usual they are losing one, have become so debased through misuse, to have less and less effect.

They have just about reached the point where they just mean, you have a different opinion to me and I don't like it, so I'm just going to scream insults in the hope that something will stick, so that I don't have to examine what I've been mouthing, as I have a sneaking suspicion that you're right, and I can't ever admit that I might be wrong !

Sadly you can't fix 'Stupid'.