The Green Berets! (1 Viewer)

[arnhem44mad]

I am watching this movie as I type, and I think that its a really different type of vietnam war movie. Maybe because it's PG, but it still has gory parts.

I know that there is no chance of this range being revisited, but wouldn't it be cool to see this range made again by K&C, I for one would buy a few sets if they did!
In the movie the Americans have a great fire base, watch tower, half ruined building, corrigated iron huts, mortar positions, machine gun posts, gates, fences, and lots of sandbags!

Would be great to see another patrol set!
When I was at War and Peace there were several vietnam displays, and one day when me and a few rangers were heading down to the river through the woods, there was an American vietnam war era on a patrol, about 20 people!Was pretty cool!

Anyways, a 7 man patrol set with a radio operator, point man, maybe a vietnamese American scout, Sergeant, heavy machine gunner, medic, and rifleman!

Maybe a 'camp guard' set with soldiers setting up a sand-bagged machine gun position, soldier at attention guarding gate, soldiers sitting on sand bagged positions and such?

Would be pretty cool!

 

[gk5717]

I agree I would like this range also, but just like the war in the Pacific, Andy has stated these do not sell, thus no VietNam.
Gary

 

[Louis Badolato]

I always loved K&C's Vietnam series. I also never understood why it and the modern war (Iraq & Afghanistan) series were not good sellers. You would think that people interested in military history would be interested in the military history made during their lifetimes, but apparently not so much.

 

[thebritfarmer]

I always loved K&C's Vietnam series. I also never understood why it and the modern war (Iraq & Afghanistan) series were not good sellers. You would think that people interested in military history would be interested in the military history made during their lifetimes, but apparently not so much.

Maybe it is too new? Not enough variety to cash in on?

 

[Firebat]

I always loved K&C's Vietnam series. I also never understood why it and the modern war (Iraq & Afghanistan) series were not good sellers. You would think that people interested in military history would be interested in the military history made during their lifetimes, but apparently not so much.

Louis

You are in with the Big Guy, convince him to do a Nam Series. With the more matte, detailed and weathered products of today they might generate more interest than they did back then. ACAVs and what about Armored Gun Trucks

We have enough stuff hanging around to do a Nam Scene, which might raise some eyebrows, but we just don't have enough time to do it. If you try with Andy, we will do our best to come up with something that might provoke the masses..... Alex

 

[Louis Badolato]

Maybe it is too new? Not enough variety to cash in on?

It could be that its too new - I am sure many of the veterans who suffered though it probably don't want to be reminded of the experience. It might also be the fact that the United States lost. I don't think we are as fond of commemorating our military failures as our British cousins (although we do have a big interest in Little Big Horn, and the biggest Civil War sales are always the confederates, so I am not so sure of that rationale).

With regard to variety, all I can say is K&C came up with three different U.S. Themes (Big Red One, Air Cav, U.S. Marines), made three armored vehicles (two different M113 APC's and an M48 Duster), several different helicoptors (U.S. Army and U.S. Marine Versions of the Huey Slick, a Huey Medivac, a Bell Jet Ranger Kiowa (U.S. Army markings), and a Hughes Cayeuse (U.S. Army markings)), did a set of Vietcong, a set of Vietnamese Civilians, made two custom for sale dioramas, a Firebase and a Tet Offensive Street Scene. K&C also did several Vietnam era wood warbirds, and a single Jet Pilot figure.

Assuming they could also do Australian Army sets, U.S. Airborne, Green Berets, Artillery, Armor, Navy Seals, Brown Water Navy (with patrol boats like Figarti's), CIA & Black Ops, Army of North Vietnam, ARVN, and more air war related sets, I think there could be ample subject matter to keep the series going for years.

 

[Mitch]

Maybe for whatever reason its akin to the pacific theatre just not enough interest in it to keep it afloat. From my experience of the states and its folks (my wife is American and we go at least once per year) it does not evoke the sense of doing something right fighting for democracy in the world war was almost seen as duty and an honour and I do not think the vietnam conflict IMO is seen as such. There is to much baggage attached to that conflict froma socio/political point of view. I think the same is similar for Iraq not so much Afghanistan as that was a correct manner to respond to the attrocities in New York and elsewhere.

It may not be in our lifetime that we appreciate these conflicts, if ever, in anywhere near the way we do with WWII.

As for the english commemorating defeats I think its the manner in which we salvage the situation we commemorate rather than the defeat itself IMO

just my thoughts
Mitch

 

[Terp152]

Visit the brand new Infantry Museum if you are in the Ft Benning area. It's now located off post, so no need to get a vehicle pass anymore. The displays are awesome. Some of the most impressive are the life sized (1:1) dioramas of the Viet Nam and Irag wars. Complete with Huey helo and Bradley fighting vehicles. Plan to spend the day.

Don't know that I would purchase K&C figs of these conflicts, but I fully appreciate the current efforts there as my oldest son deploys to Afghanistan in August. He's a SAW gunner in the 101st.

 

[Warrior]

I am watching this movie as I type, and I think that its a really different type of vietnam war movie.

Oh it's a different type of war movie alright; John Waynes take on the Vietnam war........, just like his take on The Alamo was a different type of war movie.........

If you want to see what either was really like, check out Platoon/Full Metal Jacket/Ron Howards version of The Alamo...................

 

[arnhem44mad]

I am watching this movie as I type, and I think that its a really different type of vietnam war movie.

Oh it's a different type of war movie alright; John Waynes take on the Vietnam war........, just like his take on The Alamo was a different type of war movie.........

If you want to see what either was really like, check out Platoon/Full Metal Jacket/Ron Howards version of The Alamo...................

Seen them and this was what I was getting at, I did say 'PG'
Thus showing that the war can be toned down a bit!!!!!!!!

 

[Spitfrnd]

Well the reality of Vietnam was that those wearing the uniform were not treated with much respect by a great many for much of the war. I have some rather personal experience with that. It was not one of the nation's finest hours. So how our country feels about our troops can certainly depend on what they are doing, even though few of them really asked to do it.

 

[Warrior]

I am watching this movie as I type, and I think that its a really different type of vietnam war movie.

Seen them and this was what I was getting at, I did say 'PG'
Thus showing that the war can be toned down a bit!!!!!!!!

The PG rating was not what I meant.............

 

[arnhem44mad]

OMG can a moderator please close this thread, it's getting to the stage where it is impossible to post a thread without at least one person turning it into a moral high ground battle

Peter asked if we could get back to toy soldiers, I tried, I failed, I'll try again another time

Best Regards to all
Scott

 

[Warrior]

OMG can a moderator please close this thread, it's getting to the stage where it is impossible to post a thread without at least one person turning it into a moral high ground battle

Peter asked if we could get back to toy soldiers, I tried, I failed, I'll try again another time

Best Regards to all
Scott

I'm not turning anything into a moral high ground.

My point was The Green Berets was a hokey attempt to depict the war in Vietnam, it was a terrible movie on many levels, if you want a truer depiction of the Vietnam War, check out Platoon and Full Metal Jacket.

Relax kid, you'll live a lot longer if you do, it's only toy soldiers..............

 

[Rutledge]

Well the reality of Vietnam was that those wearing the uniform were not treated with much respect by a great many for much of the war. I have some rather personal experience with that. It was not one of the nation's finest hours. So how our country feels about our troops can certainly depend on what they are doing, even though few of them really asked to do it.

For those who subjected returning Vietnam vets to disrespect I have only disdain. The way you and other vets were treated was truly a shameful episode in our history.

I dont hear anyone, even those who oppose the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, say anything other than they support the troops. Most realize that the "grunts" in the field are just doing their jobs and following orders.

I still dont think it has any correlation to collectability. The Russians, who were attacked on their home soil, fought a gruesome and ultimately successful campaign against the germans. They fielded and lost many more soldiers than any other country, by a wide margin. Yet their TS are not generally not highly desired by collectors.

I suspect the Napoleon line up is valued for its wonderfully colorful and elaborate uniforms much more so than out of respect for their valiant service to a noble cause.

 

[Warrior]

For those who subjected returning Vietnam vets to disrespect I have only disdain. The way you and other vets were treated was truly a shameful episode in our history.

Couldn't agree more, 1000% correct.

Ok, back to toy soldiers; sorry Scott, it is doubtful Andy will revisit the Vietnam War anytime soon.

So there you go.

 

[gk5717]

Strickly speaking of movies, John Waynes Green Berets rank right there with Henry Fonda,s Battle of the Bulge as one of the worst war movies ever!
I think John Wayne was the fattest Green Beret in history!
Gary

 

[OzDigger]

The Green Berets is good old fashioned gungho stuff and pretty harmless imo.

 

[arnhem44mad]

I'm not turning anything into a moral high ground.

My point was The Green Berets was a hokey attempt to depict the war in Vietnam, it was a terrible movie on many levels, if you want a truer depiction of the Vietnam War, check out Platoon and Full Metal Jacket.

Relax kid, you'll live a lot longer if you do, it's only toy soldiers..............

I was not referring to you mte or anyone in particular, I was just saying that I started this thread because I had an idea for toy soldiers, it was nothing to do with attempts to go into detail about the horrors or war!

 

[Spitfrnd]

I was not referring to you mte or anyone in particular, I was just saying that I started this thread because I had an idea for toy soldiers, it was nothing to do with attempts to go into detail about the horrors or war!

Interesting thought, without war there would be no toy soldiers and there is no war without its attendant horror. So it is rather hard to separate the one from the other unless you are talking about depicting a fantasy war that has yet to exist. Anyway, no need to panic, the thread is free to continue with its theme and no harm is done by a simple response to a side note triggered by the original post and unlike war, no one was harmed in this experience.