Things that annoy me (4 Viewers)

[tdubel]

Capital punishment is barbaric.

Fully disagree here. It is not barbaric to execute serial killers like Charles Manson or for that fact any other first degree murderer. They murdered someone, ie killed them and ruined a family to the worst proportion.

My cousin was killed in the Synagogue Mass Killing in Pittsburgh PA that was quietly forgotten by the World. A blatant attack on American soil by a fanatical individual. The guy who did it deserves the death penalty. Was it barbaric what he did?

Just please, let me hear from the vocal points on the board how this is ok and there is sympathy and how this blatant murderer deserves mercy and how the USA is such a bad place to be.

Hammurabi had it right a long time ago. You reap what you sow.


TD

 

[OzDigger]

Fully disagree here. It is not barbaric to execute serial killers like Charles Manson or for that fact any other first degree murderer. They murdered someone, ie killed them and ruined a family to the worst proportion.

My cousin was killed in the Synagogue Mass Killing in Pittsburgh PA that was quietly forgotten by the World. A blatant attack on American soil by a fanatical individual. The guy who did it deserves the death penalty. Was it barbaric what he did?

Just please, let me hear from the vocal points on the board how this is ok and there is sympathy and how this blatant murderer deserves mercy and how the USA is such a bad place to be.

Hammurabi had it right a long time ago. You reap what you sow.


TD

While over 140 countries have abolished Capital Punishment, a few nations like China, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. account for the vast majority of global executions. The thing is Tom, it has been proven that the threat of hanging etc doesn't prevent major crimes, it just increases the likelyhood that offenders will kill their victims to reduce the chance of being caught and executed.

 

[tdubel]

While over 140 countries have abolished Capital Punishment, a few nations like China, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. account for the vast majority of global executions. The thing is Tom, it has been proven that the threat of hanging etc doesn't prevent major crimes, it just increases the likelyhood that offenders will kill their victims to reduce the chance of being caught and executed.

Not so fast, look at who funds the studies. It has been proven by no one. End of day, you do the crime, you pay the price. You willingly and calculate and perpetrate a killing (First Degree Murder definition), then you should suffer the same fate. Personally, I like the firing squad that the State of Utah employs.

 

[OzDigger]

Not so fast, look at who funds the studies. It has been proven by no one. End of day, you do the crime, you pay the price. You willingly and calculate and perpetrate a killing (First Degree Murder definition), then you should suffer the same fate. Personally, I like the firing squad that the State of Utah employs.

The statistically high number of those prisoners in your penal system indicates otherwise Tom, clearly capital punishment doesn't stop people committing capital crimes.

 

[tdubel]

The statistically high number of those prisoners in your penal system indicates otherwise Tom, clearly capital punishment doesn't stop people committing capital crimes.

Not entirely correct. There are a lot of murders which are not capital crimes. That is reserved for the worst of the worst. Ie premeditated, serial, ongoing criminal enterprise etc. There are a lot of heat of the moment murders and manslaughter that are prosecuted accordingly. Capital punishment has nothing to do with those and they represent a much larger population than capital crimes. Again facts conveniently and continually omitted from this argument. There is no excuse for capital murder and in a number of states it is dealt with accordingly and correctly in my opinion. At the federal level, treason will also get you the chair and rightfully so.
Tom

 

[tdubel]

Furthermore, facts would support an argument that the US leniency on all crimes in the last decade and by that I mean no cash bail, early release, monitoring, deferred sentencing etc has actually shown that these criminals not only are likely to re-offend but they have at the highest rates in modern history. That is why consequences do matter. It is pretty awful when a financial crime offender receives a longer sentence on average than vehicular manslaughter.

 

[Combat]

Not entirely correct. There are a lot of murders which are not capital crimes. That is reserved for the worst of the worst. Ie premeditated, serial, ongoing criminal enterprise etc. There are a lot of heat of the moment murders and manslaughter that are prosecuted accordingly. Capital punishment has nothing to do with those and they represent a much larger population than capital crimes. Again facts conveniently and continually omitted from this argument. There is no excuse for capital murder and in a number of states it is dealt with accordingly and correctly in my opinion. At the federal level, treason will also get you the chair and rightfully so.
Tom

It also takes years or most often decades in our legal system to implement capital punishment. Meaning that its impact as a deterrent is minimized. Florida executed a man earlier this week who kidnapped a young mother off her front porch as she was cutting her infant's hair. He raped her and then shot her between the eyes before burying her body. He should have been executed right after the trial. Some crimes are so heinous that the death penalty is the only appropriate sentence.

 

[Horus]

Irish music. When it's good it's really good, but when it's bad you want to jump off a building.

Yeah but are you including the musical styles of India and Africa that are now all part of the St Patrick's day parades in Ireland, which make my eyes roll !

 

[damian]

It also takes years or most often decades in our legal system to implement capital punishment. Meaning that its impact as a deterrent is minimized. Florida executed a man earlier this week who kidnapped a young mother off her front porch as she was cutting her infant's hair. He raped her and then shot her between the eyes before burying her body. He should have been executed right after the trial. Some crimes are so heinous that the death penalty is the only appropriate sentence.

The only issue I have with capital punishment is that you have to be absolutely sure it is the right person who is executed. Fully agree that some crimes are so horrendous capital punishment is the only way to restore some sort of balance.

 

[theBaron]

While over 140 countries have abolished Capital Punishment, a few nations like China, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the U.S. account for the vast majority of global executions. The thing is Tom, it has been proven that the threat of hanging etc doesn't prevent major crimes, it just increases the likelyhood that offenders will kill their victims to reduce the chance of being caught and executed.

It's not about deterrence. It's about justice.

 

[tdubel]

The only issue I have with capital punishment is that you have to be absolutely sure it is the right person who is executed. Fully agree that some crimes are so horrendous capital punishment is the only way to restore some sort of balance.

Damian
It is sad that some parts of humanity "go there" to that point isn't it? Thanks for your color on my point. And to Brad who posted after you. There are certain crimes as I have described (and a few more I didn't I am sure) that are in this category. It is about justice and punishment, there really is no other alternative. The perpetrator is never going to be redeemable! That is another point that always gets lost in this debate. In other words, there are certain actions that cause you to lose your right to air!
Tom