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[tdubel]

When asked if it was appropriate to have a man in the Oval Office today who murdered a journalist and threw him into a woodchipper, Trump said "things happen."

My question, was that a fair question? Was this Prince the one who ordered and allowed that to happen?

Personally, I think it is better policy to work with the Saudis and keep them close. Typically, the leadership there has been more in line with the USA and against Iran and the usual terrorists. Do they have issues in their own house? Absolutely, they have terror within that could topple them, radical terror. IMO, we cannot allow that to happen and we need them as an ally. I also would like to see the Saudis come more in line with Israel. I think if you have that alliance, you have a much quieter Middle East which is better for everyone.

TD

 

[Barkmann]

My question, was that a fair question? Was this Prince the one who ordered and allowed that to happen?

Personally, I think it is better policy to work with the Saudis and keep them close. Typically, the leadership there has been more in line with the USA and against Iran and the usual terrorists. Do they have issues in their own house? Absolutely, they have terror within that could topple them, radical terror. IMO, we cannot allow that to happen and we need them as an ally. I also would like to see the Saudis come more in line with Israel. I think if you have that alliance, you have a much quieter Middle East which is better for everyone.

TD

In a report released in February 2021, the US Office of the Director of National Intelligence formally judged that the Crown Prince approved the operation that led to Khashoggi's death in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in October 2018. The report cited the Prince's total control of decision-making and the involvement of members of his elite personal protective detail, the Rapid Intervention Force, as key reasons for the conclusion. The declassified report is available on the DNI.gov website. UK and French intelligence reports came to the same conclusion. Turkish intelligence gathered audio recordings from inside the consulate on the day of the murder. Reports indicate that U.S. intelligence agencies intercepted communications where aides discussed bringing Khashoggi back by force or a comment by MBS that if Khashoggi couldn't be enticed home, he would go after him "with a bullet" (though analysts noted this might be a metaphor for silencing him). Another report mentioned a member of the hit team made a call to an aide in MBS's inner circle saying "tell your boss the deed was done".

15 of the19 9/11 bombers were from Saudi and a further US report has highlighted that the funding was from Saudi sources. Plus evil personified, bin Laden, was born in Riyadh.


If you replaced the following,
I think it is better policy to work with the Saudis and keep them close
with
I think it is better policy to work with the Saudis for their oil, their investment [look how much Kusher has received] and their buying of military arms, then i agree with you. The UK are doing exactly the same thing. It is just the way the world is, i went to a lecture from a former British Ambassador and he said if we only did business with nice people then we would no business at all. While you could also quote "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

All Western countries are the same, we have a political system that runs along the lines of 'Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others' [Groucho Marx - love Groucho, he was a real wordsmith]. Same with many country's international relations, reality bites and you have to turn a blind eye. Now for me an interesting question is 'What would they have to do to change that situation?'

in answer to your question about was it the right question, i think the answer is yes, not only for above reasons, but they are journalists and it is their job to ask questions, you may not like the questions, but i want to live in a society where we have people willing to ask those type of questions. If not then you are in Russia, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Iran, Myanmar, oh and Saudi Arabia. Biden was asked the same or similar questions when he met the Saudi's, by US journalists.

 

[tdubel]

In a report released in February 2021, the US Office of the Director of National Intelligence formally judged that the Crown Prince approved the operation that led to Khashoggi's death in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul in October 2018. The report cited the Prince's total control of decision-making and the involvement of members of his elite personal protective detail, the Rapid Intervention Force, as key reasons for the conclusion. The declassified report is available on the DNI.gov website. UK and French intelligence reports came to the same conclusion. Turkish intelligence gathered audio recordings from inside the consulate on the day of the murder. Reports indicate that U.S. intelligence agencies intercepted communications where aides discussed bringing Khashoggi back by force or a comment by MBS that if Khashoggi couldn't be enticed home, he would go after him "with a bullet" (though analysts noted this might be a metaphor for silencing him). Another report mentioned a member of the hit team made a call to an aide in MBS's inner circle saying "tell your boss the deed was done".

15 of the19 9/11 bombers were from Saudi and a further US report has highlighted that the funding was from Saudi sources. Plus evil personified, bin Laden, was born in Riyadh.


If you replaced the following,
I think it is better policy to work with the Saudis and keep them close
with
I think it is better policy to work with the Saudis for their oil, their investment [look how much Kusher has received] and their buying of military arms, then i agree with you. The UK are doing exactly the same thing. It is just the way the world is, i went to a lecture from a former British Ambassador and he said if we only did business with nice people then we would no business at all. While you could also quote "The enemy of my enemy is my friend".

All Western countries are the same, we have a political system that runs along the lines of 'Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others' [Groucho Marx - love Groucho, he was a real wordsmith]. Same with many country's international relations, reality bites and you have to turn a blind eye. Now for me an interesting question is 'What would they have to do to change that situation?'

in answer to your question about was it the right question, i think the answer is yes, not only for above reasons, but they are journalists and it is their job to ask questions, you may not like the questions, but i want to live in a society where we have people willing to ask those type of questions. If not then you are in Russia, North Korea, Turkmenistan, Iran, Myanmar, oh and Saudi Arabia.

I don't necessarily disagree here. I just think we have an awful bias in our US press corps that I sometimes question their usefulness. If they all played it straight and factual, different story. Too many of them have their own agenda.

Main point for me is what you are saying, I would rather do business with the Saudis and keep them close than not. We have aligned interests.

 

[Barkmann]

I don't necessarily disagree here. I just think we have an awful bias in our US press corps that I sometimes question their usefulness. If they all played it straight and factual, different story. Too many of them have their own agenda.

Main point for me is what you are saying, I would rather do business with the Saudis and keep them close than not. We have aligned interests.

I have added to my posting while you were replying, think there was no bias, as they asked the same questions of Biden when he had meetings with the Saudi's, too many sources to quote, just google it. Cannot see what was not straight or untrue about their questioning, while we have to realise the journalists are there to sell papers, TV air time, get traffic to their websites, they have to get a news story, so need the scoop as they used to say. I wonder if the Saudi's would have been offened if he had called the journalist a 'Piggy'.

 

[Barkmann]

They could have asked the Crown Prince if he misses his close friend Jeffery Epstein...........