UK vote (6 Viewers)

[The Military Workshop]

When I woke up this morning first thing I read indicated remain had won and then several hours later changed to leave had won.

Lots of stories about pros and cons etc but American readers might enjoy this comparison :

Lords Prayer - 66 words

10 Commandments - 179 words

Gettysburg address - 286 words

EU regulations on the sale of cabbage - 26,911

I have not lived in UK since 1977 but the reality is a huge amount of UK money has been needed to prop up other poorer countries. People in Greece were retiring 10 years earlier than workers in UK who were having to support the bail outs of the Greek economy. Simply not sustainable. The recent migrant situation proved the EU could not act in the interests of all members with one major country willing to open the floodgates without any consultation with others.

Was alright in theory but in practice did not work and was going to get worse.

 

[Imperial Miniatures]

When I woke up this morning first thing I read indicated remain had won and then several hours later changed to leave had won.

Lots of stories about pros and cons etc but American readers might enjoy this comparison :

Lords Prayer - 66 words

10 Commandments - 179 words

Gettysburg address - 286 words

EU regulations on the sale of cabbage - 26,911

Except that one is another EU myth

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35962999

Mike

 

[TomNT]

For some reason every time I hear or see the word "Brexit", I always think of a breakfast cereal! ^&grin

Seriously though, the referendum today was a pretty big deal for the UK and the world in general. I agree with the comments from Brett that the EU has many issues and it may lead to other countries pulling out. Only time will tell I guess and I have read that an independent UK will be good for Australian exports.

One thing is for certain, there are interesting times ahead with the possibility of Scotland being independent from the UK as the majority of Scot's wanted to stay in the EU.

Tom

 

[marco55]

Yes it's compulsory here in NZ too and rightly so. We've fought wars over this and it's hard to understand why some western democracies have such a poor turn out when it comes to voting time.......as they say 'freedom aren't free':salute::

I haven't voted in years and that's because I know the Governor's election here in Jersey years ago was fixed.It had to be the way it went down.Also it's not about who is the best man/women for the job but who's got the most money. Then you see the media slanting everything to who they want.They are anything but impartial.Just like the presidential election here this year is a joke.If they had neither on the ballot I would vote but they are not going to force me to choose one of two bad candidates.My not voting IS MY VOTE.
Mark

 

[The Military Workshop]

Except that one is another EU myth

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35962999

Mike

Mike,
Thanks for that. Interesting background and who is responsible^&grin .......(extract from your link)

"During World War Two, the US government issued a memo to control the price of cabbage seeds. It was 2,600 words long, says Barry O'Neill, professor of political science at the University of California, who has researched the origins of the cabbage myth.
But at some point a rumour surfaced that the cabbage regulations were back - this time 10 times longer and not just confined to seeds.
In 1951 the president of a Chicago pickle and relish company mentioned it in a letter to food brokers across the country, and a newspaper quiz asked readers to match word counts with documents (Test Your Horse Sense 1951) - the cabbage regulation was said to be 25,000 words long. Soon this became 26,911 "suggesting careful research", says O'Neill."

Brett

 

[Combat]

Much ado about nothing. The markets will fall for a few days and then readjust. Within a week it will be a non-story. A lot of hue and cry because it is a set back for internationalists.

 

[BLReed]

I haven't voted in years and that's because I know the Governor's election here in Jersey years ago was fixed.It had to be the way it went down.Also it's not about who is the best man/women for the job but who's got the most money. Then you see the media slanting everything to who they want.They are anything but impartial.Just like the presidential election here this year is a joke.If they had neither on the ballot I would vote but they are not going to force me to choose one of two bad candidates.My not voting IS MY VOTE.
Mark

I have always voted even in the smallest local elections. I figure if you don't vote you can't
b**** about it. That's a right I hold very dear.

 

[nysoldiers]

I have always voted even in the smallest local elections. I figure if you don't vote you can't
b**** about it. That's a right I hold very dear.

Agree that voting is a right and obligation for any citizen. Unfortunately there are many times when we have to choose the "lesser of two evils" but as in business we all deal with risk management.
My grown children are so turned off by politics that they don't want to vote......they think government is corrupt. I tell them that not voting only supports the negatives.
Work from the bottom up and get involved with local and state governments. As some very bright and concerned people have said "we will go into that voting booth, hold our noses, close our eyes and vote for a candidate we don't really like only to keep the worse one out"........

 

[theBaron]

Congratulations on preserving your sovereignty, Britain!

Much ado about nothing. The markets will fall for a few days and then readjust. Within a week it will be a non-story. A lot of hue and cry because it is a set back for internationalists.

Exactly. Looking forward now to new free trade agreements between us and our British cousins, which they may now enter into, or not, as they so choose, without having to ask the bureaucrats in Brussels.

Prosit Freiheit!
Brad

 

[Spanish soldier]

Will be with England because Scotland and Northern Ireland are to be separated UK

 

[Buster]

Congratulations on preserving your sovereignty, Britain!



Exactly. Looking forward now to new free trade agreements between us and our British cousins, which they may now enter into, or not, as they so choose, without having to ask the bureaucrats in Brussels.

Prosit Freiheit!
Brad

Happy Independence Day to all my UK mates. :salute::

B.

 

[marco55]

I have always voted even in the smallest local elections. I figure if you don't vote you can't
b**** about it. That's a right I hold very dear.

That goes both ways .You can't holler if your choice starts doing things you don't like.YOU picked him/her not me.
Mark

 

[BLReed]

Agree that voting is a right and obligation for any citizen. Unfortunately there are many times when we have to choose the "lesser of two evils" ........

Let me rephrase what I said. Voting is an obligation. I always vote. If you don't vote you have no right to b++++
about it afterwards. To b**** is the right I hold very dear. Yes, sometimes it is the lesser of two evils,
but then Jesus never runs for office.

My kids always vote. Probably because it was always a big discussion around the supper table.

 

[jazzeum]

Much ado about nothing. The markets will fall for a few days and then readjust. Within a week it will be a non-story. A lot of hue and cry because it is a set back for internationalists.

I disagree about it being a non-story because now the UK and the EU will have to negotiate the terms of the withdrawal, which can take up to two years. The effects will be felt gradually. International employers are already talking about reducing the size of their UK staff and relocating them elsewhere.

Like it or not this is a global trans-national world and a vote like this undoes the work to make a united Europe, which was deemed necessary following the blood letting of WW I and WW II, to focus less on the concept of nation states and more on what unites the peoples of Europe.

 

[marco55]

Let me rephrase what I said. Voting is an obligation. I always vote. If you don't vote you have no right to b++++
about it afterwards. To b**** is the right I hold very dear. Yes, sometimes it is the lesser of two evils,
but then Jesus never runs for office.

My kids always vote. Probably because it was always a big discussion around the supper table.

I have the right to ***** all I want.Those who vote for these fools have no right to *****,YOU picked them If we had a truly democratic system then you might be right but when you have a system where only the ones with the big bucks have a chance,a media that is anything but impartial and in the case of the presidential race you have some states where the popular vote is for one candidate but the delegates are under no obligation to vote for the winner is a bullcrap system and I will not contribute to it.Who are these delegates?where do they come from?who picks them?Nobody I know has the answer to these questions.
Mark

 

[Terp152]

I disagree about it being a non-story because now the UK and the EU will have to negotiate the terms of the withdrawal, which can take up to two years. The effects will be felt gradually. International employers are already talking about reducing the size of their UK staff and relocating them elsewhere.

Like it or not this is a global trans-national world and a vote like this undoes the work to make a united Europe, which was deemed necessary following the blood letting of WW I and WW II, to focus less on the concept of nation states and more on what unites the peoples of Europe.

There has been an ongoing process of European nations splintering into smaller segments, i.e. the former Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and the potential of Scotland separating from GB. Seems natural that certain groups do not want "outsiders/EU" telling them how to live and govern themselves. I personally feel more knowledgeable on what is best for my state and country than someone living in Brussels, Paris, or Stockholm. Chris

 

[BLReed]

I have the right to ***** all I want.Those who vote for these fools have no right to *****,YOU picked them If we had a truly democratic system then you might be right but when you have a system where only the ones with the big bucks have a chance,a media that is anything but impartial and in the case of the presidential race you have some states where the popular vote is for one candidate but the delegates are under no obligation to vote for the winner is a bullcrap system and I will not contribute to it.Who are these delegates?where do they come from?who picks them?Nobody I know has the answer to these questions.
Mark

Learn to work within the system that has been in place for 240 years.

 

[BLReed]

There has been an ongoing process of European nations splintering into smaller segments, i.e. the former Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, and the potential of Scotland separating from GB. Seems natural that certain groups do not want "outsiders/EU" telling them how to live and govern themselves. I personally feel more knowledgeable on what is best for my state and country than someone living in Brussels, Paris, or Stockholm. Chris

I couldn't agree more.:salute::

 

[marco55]

I think any system can be tweeked. What worked 240 years ago doesn't mean it's right for today.What the main problem is that most people think those that's running for offices are corrupt and think only about themselves.Congress has it's lowest rating ever.Should 1 president,9 SCOTUS and 535 congressmen make laws for over 300 million people?That's a question for the future.
Mark

 

[marco55]

I personally feel more knowledgeable on what is best for my state and country than someone living in Brussels, Paris, or Stockholm. Chris

That what people in Charleston,Atlanta,Chicago,Austin,NY and many other places feel about Washington.
Mark