UK vote (1 Viewer)

[ivanmoe]

This sounds like small-ball, I know, but I'm afraid that this is going to kill Corgi diecast. I believe that almost all of its product is manufactured in China. The prices will go through the roof for UK collectors. Like I posted in the KC forum the other day, when the price of a good goes up, less of it will be sold. That's not a reason for the Brits to stay in the EU, but it's an example of some of the dislocations which MAY occur.

-Moe

 

[Peter Reuss]

Yes, sometimes it is the lesser of two evils, but then Jesus never runs for office.

I'm not so sure that Jesus would get elected! A bit too radical for some, and definitely not a party line guy!!

Remember, the last time he faced off with the government he found himself with a death sentence...

 

[nmrocks]

My understanding, which is admittedly limited is that this was originally supposed to an "economic" union but has over the years morphed to imposing "social " values by a central ruling council? My feeling is that was at the core of this referendum?
Ray

 

[marco55]

That's what it sounds like to me also Ray.
Mark

 

[nysoldiers]

I'm not so sure that Jesus would get elected! A bit too radical for some, and definitely not a party line guy!!

Remember, the last time he faced off with the government he found himself with a death sentence...

LOL
And by today's standards a bonafide Socialist and anti-gun advocate!!!

 

[nysoldiers]

I disagree about it being a non-story because now the UK and the EU will have to negotiate the terms of the withdrawal, which can take up to two years. The effects will be felt gradually. International employers are already talking about reducing the size of their UK staff and relocating them elsewhere.

Like it or not this is a global trans-national world and a vote like this undoes the work to make a united Europe, which was deemed necessary following the blood letting of WW I and WW II, to focus less on the concept of nation states and more on what unites the peoples of Europe.

Good points and what concerns many people......a fractious Europe cannot stand up to Russia and help (not just financially but with guidance and trade) poorer countries. Will NATO break down eventually as well? That said the EU is culpable for this break up as well. The rich guys can't always bail out the poor guys especially when they don't want to help themselves. Short term pain and uncertainty are evident but in the long run we don't know.
There is a global economic crisis of debt, inequality and unsustainable entitlements.

 

[Spanish soldier]

Today, Russia is happier to see a divided Europe and more fragile, we do not learn from history


Francisco

 

[Spanish soldier]

I admire USA, I are stronger together :salute::

Francisco

 

[nmrocks]

Today, Russia is happier to see a divided Europe and more fragile, we do not learn from history


Francisco

Surely you do not blame the UK for this? Russia has always been there and they have not really changed in 70 years.
Ray

 

[GICOP]

Happy Independence Day to all my UK mates. :salute::

B.

Many thanks Buster :salute::

All the best

Martyn


Who could be next to leave, take your pick :wink2:

FRANCE
NETHERLANDS
ITALY
SWEDEN

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36615879

 

[tdubel]

Personally, I believe people worldwide are tired of being told what is best for them by someone else. We are seeing it in the US and I am not surprised whatsoever at the vote in the UK. I knew it was going to be close. What I really have a distaste for and it happens in every country is the fact that the Press all week tried to portray the vote as all but over and UK was staying and it was a foregone conclusion, was it the BBC who said 75 25 stay? I feel like it was portrayed that way to swing the vote, which disgusts me personally. I wish the Free Press would stick to the facts and stay out of the influence game b/c unfortunately, there is a large majority of people who seem to believe every word they hear or see on tv.

TD

 

[Jefman]

The UK's membership in the EU has always appeared to be a bit peculiar. The UK never adopted the Euro as their currency instead maintaining the pound as their money type. The UK did not adopt itself to the continents visa free zone called "Schengen" (even the two proclaimed neutrals Swiss and Norwegians embraced this policy) and the UK is not part of the continents agricultural cooperative. I believe the UK has always viewed their relationship with the English speaking world: the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc. as much more important culturally and economically than with the European continent. However a disconnect occurs as Scotland and Northern Ireland may favor EU membership where as England and Wales embraced Brexit more fervently the polls suggested. Years back the prominent British publication "The Economist" extolled in a well written article that the single largest issue facing not only Europe but all countries on Earth in the 21st century will be immigration. That one issue has fractured the EU in my view to todays present state. The free flow of goods and services is strained by the UK voter's belief that this axiom can not be applied to the free flow of human lives across the channel. Their are countries on the continent that share the UK's view that unfettered immigration is de stabilizing the economic and cultural balances in the EU. Huge political momentum in Denmark, France and the Netherlands to also exit the EU is an example. The Greek economic meltdown fostered a portion of the Brexit rationale whereby the EU literally had to bail out the Greeks from a foolish and unsustainable economic path. Perhaps the UK voted to do something that other members will consider down the road. The UK was the first to exit who is next? The markets do not like the vote and perhaps the UK will eventually re consider if their economic plight deteriorates. The US is about to embark into the throes of a contested political season. The results may yield similar reactions in the financial markets. Times are a changing whether you like it or not.

 

[Old Bill]

Is it possible to hear how our UK members plan to vote without losing this thread to too much politics?
I'd just be interested in how there voting without the why's if possible, it seems important.
Ray

I voted out - I also voted not to remain a member of the EEC in 1975

 

[Horus]

Yep voted out yesterday too.
Steve

 

[nysoldiers]

In my humble opinion, after almost 50 years studying and applying economics and managing a multi-national company, this was a costly mistake.
I understand the reasons many want to opt out; immigration, independence, escaping financial responsibility for poorer dysfunctional nations, etc...
Timing couldn't be worse however. The world is facing a crisis of unsustainable debt, huge inequities in wealth and entitlements that can't be funded
without burdensome tax increases and spending cuts.
BREXIT is the first step towards protectionism, trade wars and closed economies. The UK will likely suffer a prolonged recession, layoffs and bankruptcies.
The EU takes much of the blame for their restrictive, unfair and bureaucratic policies along with countries like Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy and perhaps France
who cannot manage their own economies.
I was hoping that the UK could leverage a better deal with the EU.

 

[beating retreat]

I disagree about it being a non-story because now the UK and the EU will have to negotiate the terms of the withdrawal, which can take up to two years. The effects will be felt gradually. International employers are already talking about reducing the size of their UK staff and relocating them elsewhere.

Like it or not this is a global trans-national world and a vote like this undoes the work to make a united Europe, which was deemed necessary following the blood letting of WW I and WW II, to focus less on the concept of nation states and more on what unites the peoples of Europe.

We have NATO for that

 

[Desertkiwi]

Personally, I believe people worldwide are tired of being told what is best for them by someone else. We are seeing it in the US and I am not surprised whatsoever at the vote in the UK. I knew it was going to be close. What I really have a distaste for and it happens in every country is the fact that the Press all week tried to portray the vote as all but over and UK was staying and it was a foregone conclusion, was it the BBC who said 75 25 stay? I feel like it was portrayed that way to swing the vote, which disgusts me personally. I wish the Free Press would stick to the facts and stay out of the influence game b/c unfortunately, there is a large majority of people who seem to believe every word they hear or see on tv.

TD

There really isn't such a thing as the 'free press' anymore and it's been like that for a long time now. I'm not really into conspiracy theories but you only have to look at who owns and controls most media out-lets such as TV networks and news papers around the world and you start to get an idea.

The media is a business and their business is selling us information that they think will make them money. As they say 'never let the truth get in the way of a good story'.

It's also a very powerful format to influence the masses and it works, hence why those in the know use it to better there own ends.

Sounds dramatic I know, but it's a fact and it's used on us everyday.

What amazes me now-a-days with the age of the internet, is how easy some believe word for word all the sanitized rubbish they choose to feed us each day.

 

[beating retreat]

My understanding, which is admittedly limited is that this was originally supposed to an "economic" union but has over the years morphed to imposing "social " values by a central ruling council? My feeling is that was at the core of this referendum?
Ray

Spot on Ray spot on, certainly for me anyway

 

[nmrocks]

My default position is freedom is ALWAYS the better position, I trust the people of the UK to make the right choices.
Ray

 

[nysoldiers]

Basically agree Tom but the markets (Wall Street) seem to prefer "predictability" ......probably too political to explain my points in detail......we have to make our decisions based on "risk management" and ultimately some will be hurt either way.