Ukrainian SS Memorials in UK & Canada (2 Viewers)

jazzeum said:
Tom,

People can’t continue with the old enmities or things will never change. I understand the older generation hating them but the people of today want to change how they were. I can’t speak to Ukraine but today’s Germany is completely different than the Germany of the 30s and 40s. When I visited Germany in 2006 and 2016 I found that to be so. They don’t want to be associated with “that” Germany, which is why they have a smallish standing army. Recently, a munitions manufacturer wanted to build a plant in what used to be East Germany and the towns people said no. They were worried as to how they would be perceived if they allowed that to happen. Ukraine has a vibrant democracy and economy today and that bothered Putin. It’s not a perfect country but it was changing.
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Great premise if the world was full of good people, it is not. Putin, Hamas, and especially Iran. Again, until the leaders of this ilk are banished, the citizens will pay the price and opinions will not change. Maybe, if this type of ilk is removed, then your change will happen. I hate to say this, I don't have much hope, it has been like this since the dawn of time. Good people have tried to lead, however, they are the ones who pay the price. Just not worth it. Too many instances - recent history - Holocaust, 9/11, this weekend in Israel. That is just a scratch.
 
Combat said:
This wasn't just a guy who was fighting for Ukranian nationalism against Stalinist Russia. He joined the Waffen SS. The Ukrainians committed numerous atrocities during the war. They were heavily anti-Semitic and voluntarily participated in the killing of tens of thousands of Ukrainian Jews. Whether they had cause to hate Russia does not excuse such disgraceful conduct during the war.
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I'm not sticking up for anybody that was in the SS. I don't know if foreigners could join the German regular army or not. But what I'm saying is a 16 year old boy who probably saw friends and family starve to death would want revenge. Would a 16 year old boy know in 1941 what the SS really was. I don't know. He probably did become a cold blooded killer but was he that when he joined in 1941?
Mark
 
Mr Trudeau is so busy creating and supporting false narratives about so called genocides in his own country's history that he overlooked the very real history of genocide in this individuals life history.
 
I'm not surprised that Trudeau backflipped but am I missing something?

The Ukraine President, Volodymyr Zelensky, who is a Jew, praised the military service of Yaroslav Hunka, has he changed his mind?

Can someone provide any proof that Hunka or the Galicia Division carried out any war crimes?
 
tdubel said:
Great premise if the world was full of good people, it is not. Putin, Hamas, and especially Iran. Again, until the leaders of this ilk are banished, the citizens will pay the price and opinions will not change. Maybe, if this type of ilk is removed, then your change will happen. I hate to say this, I don't have much hope, it has been like this since the dawn of time. Good people have tried to lead, however, they are the ones who pay the price. Just not worth it. Too many instances - recent history - Holocaust, 9/11, this weekend in Israel. That is just a scratch.
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I think you missed the point of my post but that’s ok. I was referring not to present political situations but to the past in a couple of instances.
 
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