What is an assault rifle? (1 Viewer)

The Military Workshop said:
Mentioned on radio in Oz today. No offensive language in this clip. 13 year old boy in USA refused in shops when asks to buy alcohol, lottery tickets and "racy" magazines. Then goes to a gun show......



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIFiJdw0uME
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Crazy and sick but true, have seen many other stings with teenagers walking out with military style weapons. A new study finds that over 40% of gun transfers in the US take place with no background checks.
Since 1970 more Americans have been killed with guns, including suicide, than in all the wars in US history!
More pre-schoolers under four years old die from guns each year than do police officers.

The FBI estimates that there are over 320 million guns in the US. The most of any country in the world and the most per capita of any industrialized nation.
The military has approximately 2 million guns and law enforcement 4 million.

Just facts, everyone can may there own conclusions.
 
Guys, as an aside, I owned legally and shot with my grandfather at age 8 a 22 caliber rifle. I also started skeet shooting at 10 with a shotgun and went deer hunting at 9. Of course I did this all under adult supervision and with proper guidance. I have always had a very healthy respect of any gun and understand the safety.

I understand the shock at the video if you were not raised with adults who were gun owners, etc, but I can tell you that it is not that out of the ordinary in a lot of parts of the country.

I would hope what is not shown on the edited video is a responsible parent accompanying the minor while he was making the purchase of a legal 22 caliber rifle. To be fair to the "peashooter", 22 hunting rifles are very effective on small game like squirrels as well as varmin.

TD
 
tdubel said:
Guys, as an aside, I owned legally and shot with my grandfather at age 8 a 22 caliber rifle. I also started skeet shooting at 10 with a shotgun and went deer hunting at 9. Of course I did this all under adult supervision and with proper guidance. I have always had a very healthy respect of any gun and understand the safety.

I understand the shock at the video if you were not raised with adults who were gun owners, etc, but I can tell you that it is not that out of the ordinary in a lot of parts of the country.

I would hope what is not shown on the edited video is a responsible parent accompanying the minor while he was making the purchase of a legal 22 caliber rifle. To be fair to the "peashooter", 22 hunting rifles are very effective on small game like squirrels as well as varmin.

TD
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'I understand the shock at the video if you were not raised with adults who were gun owners, etc'

TD, the impact of the video has nothing to do with whether or not you were raised with parents/caregivers who own and use firearms, it's to do with common sense and a basic understanding of how a child's brain develops into adulthood.

I personally have no problem with kids being thought how to safely use firearms, the issue is a 13yr old being able to simply walk in and buy a 22 without a parent in sight and I'm presuming he was able to purchase ammunition as well?

You can normalize that all you like, but that's pretty scary stuff regardless of how you look at it.
 
Sorry to break back to the topic but my wife just reminded me of what this thread started as.

I called her to ask her to start one of the cars in the garage. I do not drive it very much and I did not have a chance to run it before I left on my recent travels. I asked her to simply start it and not drive it. Her response was:

"I have no plans to drive your four-wheeled widow maker"

to which I responded:

"It is a sports car"

It is all in the terminology I guess.
 
nysoldiers said:
Crazy and sick but true, have seen many other stings with teenagers walking out with military style weapons. A new study finds that over 40% of gun transfers in the US take place with no background checks.
Since 1970 more Americans have been killed with guns, including suicide, than in all the wars in US history!
More pre-schoolers under four years old die from guns each year than do police officers.

The FBI estimates that there are over 320 million guns in the US. The most of any country in the world and the most per capita of any industrialized nation.
The military has approximately 2 million guns and law enforcement 4 million.

Just facts, everyone can may there own conclusions.
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So 314 million are privately owned ??
 
Desertkiwi said:
'I understand the shock at the video if you were not raised with adults who were gun owners, etc'

TD, the impact of the video has nothing to do with whether or not you were raised with parents/caregivers who own and use firearms, it's to do with common sense and a basic understanding of how a child's brain develops into adulthood.

I personally have no problem with kids being thought how to safely use firearms, the issue is a 13yr old being able to simply walk in and buy a 22 without a parent in sight and I'm presuming he was able to purchase ammunition as well?

You can normalize that all you like, but that's pretty scary stuff regardless of how you look at it.
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I think everyone here is highly intelligent or else you wouldn't collect military miniatures. That said, I am sure there is context that is not on the video. American "news" reporting is highly notorious for not telling us "the rest of the story". Not sure if you saw the recent hatchet job by Katie Couric on the NRA here in America. Sadly, if she held a job in which she was accountable, she would have been fired.

My point is, I don't necessary believe everything I see and read because, it would not be a video if it were not sensational. SO, I don't know from that video that his parent wasn't present, something tells me the transaction took more than 30 seconds to consummate.

And furthermore, my brain has developed just fine, I respect firearms and responsibly enjoy them as an adult as I was taught as a child. I am proud that I have the right to do so and appreciate America for allowing me to do so.

TD
 
Panzer ace said:
Sorry to break back to the topic but my wife just reminded me of what this thread started as.

I called her to ask her to start one of the cars in the garage. I do not drive it very much and I did not have a chance to run it before I left on my recent travels. I asked her to simply start it and not drive it. Her response was:

"I have no plans to drive your four-wheeled widow maker"

to which I responded:

"It is a sports car"

It is all in the terminology I guess.
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Perhaps she has sold it!
 
tdubel said:
I think everyone here is highly intelligent or else you wouldn't collect military miniatures. That said, I am sure there is context that is not on the video. American "news" reporting is highly notorious for not telling us "the rest of the story". Not sure if you saw the recent hatchet job by Katie Couric on the NRA here in America. Sadly, if she held a job in which she was accountable, she would have been fired.

My point is, I don't necessary believe everything I see and read because, it would not be a video if it were not sensational. SO, I don't know from that video that his parent wasn't present, something tells me the transaction took more than 30 seconds to consummate.

And furthermore, my brain has developed just fine, I respect firearms and responsibly enjoy them as an adult as I was taught as a child. I am proud that I have the right to do so and appreciate America for allowing me to do so.

TD
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TD you have either misunderstood my post or have deliberately taken it out of context for whatever reason.

My comments were a response to your post and I quoted you at the start of my post so there was no confusion.

At no time did I question the development of your brain, your intelligence or your respect for firearms. My comments about brain development was directed to that of 'young persons' and their level of maturity to be allowed to both buy and use firearms unsupervised.

Agreed the video may not tell the whole story, but it highlighted an issue and in light of recent events was timely.

I have taken the time to comment, because I am deeply concerned at the ever increasing number of mass shootings in your wonderful country. I have many friends and family living in the US and have a close relative who has just moved to Florida in the last few weeks, so have an insight into how things are in the US.

It's clear the system is not working when the wrong type of person/s are able to purchase firearms so easily.

As a serving police officer in NZ I am more than familiar with the long term effects of such incidents, not only on the victims and their families, but also on the 'first responders' that have to attend such horrendous incidents.

I comment because I care, as do many other members who live in other parts of the world.

Without change these types of incidents will continue.

I'm not questioning your right to own firearms, I'm only suggesting that you look at proven measures to help prevent unfit persons from getting hold of them.
 
The Military Workshop said:
Mentioned on radio in Oz today. No offensive language in this clip. 13 year old boy in USA refused in shops when asks to buy alcohol, lottery tickets and "racy" magazines. Then goes to a gun show......
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This is horrifying to say the least! I'm not against private gun ownership as I used to own a couple of long arms and pistols in the past but to be able to buy a weapon at a gun show without a licence or background checks is bordering on madness and is one of the reasons why there is so much gun violence in the states. It is even worse that someone underage was able to do this.

Tom
 
Desertkiwi said:
TD you have either misunderstood my post or have deliberately taken it out of context for whatever reason.

My comments were a response to your post and I quoted you at the start of my post so there was no confusion.

At no time did I question the development of your brain, your intelligence or your respect for firearms. My comments about brain development was directed to that of 'young persons' and their level of maturity to be allowed to both buy and use firearms unsupervised.

Agreed the video may not tell the whole story, but it highlighted an issue and in light of recent events was timely.

I have taken the time to comment, because I am deeply concerned at the ever increasing number of mass shootings in your wonderful country. I have many friends and family living in the US and have a close relative who has just moved to Florida in the last few weeks, so have an insight into how things are in the US.

It's clear the system is not working when the wrong type of person/s are able to purchase firearms so easily.

As a serving police officer in NZ I am more than familiar with the long term effects of such incidents, not only on the victims and their families, but also on the 'first responders' that have to attend such horrendous incidents.

I comment because I care, as do many other members who live in other parts of the world.

Without change these types of incidents will continue.

I'm not questioning your right to own firearms, I'm only suggesting that you look at proven measures to help prevent unfit persons from getting hold of them.
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As a concerned American I thank you for your sincere comments......
 
I couldn't agree more with Toddy or Rich. When enough is enough. How many times do we need to hear about reports about people shot and killed, families grieving and the nation's leaders meeting and attempting to comfort the families before something is done. I think it was George who said that if nothing was done after Sandy Hook, nothing would ever happen in removing/controlling this blight of guns.
 
Desertkiwi said:
TD you have either misunderstood my post or have deliberately taken it out of context for whatever reason.

My comments were a response to your post and I quoted you at the start of my post so there was no confusion.

At no time did I question the development of your brain, your intelligence or your respect for firearms. My comments about brain development was directed to that of 'young persons' and their level of maturity to be allowed to both buy and use firearms unsupervised.

Agreed the video may not tell the whole story, but it highlighted an issue and in light of recent events was timely.

I have taken the time to comment, because I am deeply concerned at the ever increasing number of mass shootings in your wonderful country. I have many friends and family living in the US and have a close relative who has just moved to Florida in the last few weeks, so have an insight into how things are in the US.

It's clear the system is not working when the wrong type of person/s are able to purchase firearms so easily.

As a serving police officer in NZ I am more than familiar with the long term effects of such incidents, not only on the victims and their families, but also on the 'first responders' that have to attend such horrendous incidents.

I comment because I care, as do many other members who live in other parts of the world.

Without change these types of incidents will continue.

I'm not questioning your right to own firearms, I'm only suggesting that you look at proven measures to help prevent unfit persons from getting hold of them.
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I agree with your last sentence wholeheartedly. I also disagree with sensational journalism which is all too common in the USA on every controversial topic. I am happy to support any legislation, regulation that keeps a firearm away from people who should not have it, but I will not do anything that gives up my right to do so. It is a tough topic that we are closer to agreeing on than not.

My comment about my brain was not meant as a retort, I meant it to say that under proper guidance, there was no issue with me.

Tom
 
I showed a photo of a stock Ruger Mini-14 and a tricked out version... plastic black with collapsable stock, 20 round magazine, optical sights, etc to my non-shooting friends, and asked which was an assault rifle. They all picked the second version. When I explained it was the same rifle, still chambering .223, semi-auto, etc. they had a hard time believing me.....
 
tdubel said:
I agree with your last sentence wholeheartedly. I also disagree with sensational journalism which is all too common in the USA on every controversial topic. I am happy to support any legislation, regulation that keeps a firearm away from people who should not have it, but I will not do anything that gives up my right to do so. It is a tough topic that we are closer to agreeing on than not.

My comment about my brain was not meant as a retort, I meant it to say that under proper guidance, there was no issue with me.

Tom
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Thank you Tom for responding and explaining parts of your previous post.

The media are pretty much the same everywhere now-a-days and often sensationalize or manipulate the facts to suit whatever issue that will sell them more news. In saying that there are still some very good investigative journalists out there willing to tackle some of those tough topic's.

As you say it's a highly contentious issue that would involve 'enormous will' on behalf of all 50x States to come up with a workable, long term solution.
 
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