WSS104SL Assassination of Heydrich (1 Viewer)

Capitolron said:
But, we all should try to take this ATTITUDE of "knowing what is best" down a few notches. I would think that 94% of this forum are just collectors and the other 3% is the people who produces Toy Soldiers with their money and capital and face the burdens every day of what it takes to stay in business and the other 3% are the Dealers - who make their living selling these items for a profit to us and have there own business concerns as well. (ALL of these numbers could be off a little bit - but, you understand my point).

It is very easy to be the expert (from the sidelines) when your money or efforts are not on the line every single day.
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Hi Ron,

You seem to be returning to Andy's critique of my comments so let me just address this line of thinking by borrowing what I wrote on Canada Toy Soldier Club.

The logic of saying "why not set up his own company to do it better and smarter...it’s easy to criticize...much harder to do" is the same as a politician saying to their constituents: “If you don’t like my decisions why don’t you become a politician? It is much easier to vote than to do”. But this logic is nonsense – constituents aren’t pretending to be politicians nor do they want the job, but it is their duty as good citizens to vote and it is the duty of their politician to represent their wishes as well as he or she can.

Similarly, in a free market economy it is the duty of me as a consumer to let producers know how I think they can improve their products, and it is the duty of any rational producer to take seriously my suggestions because that’s where my money is. It’s not me trying to grandstand – I’m simply voicing my opinion as a single consumer among the many on here who have the same priviledge because it is my responsibility as someone who loves this hobby to do so.

To not let your thoughts be fully known when the manufacturers are listening is to abdicate your responsibility as a true collector and your right to complain when things do not turn out they way you would have preferred. Without consumer feedback through the years we would not have realistic matte painted WWII figures and the status quo you now defend would not exist.

And please remember, I did not start the thread that has caused this debate. I merely replied with my honest opinion to a thread entitled: "What Quality Improvements Should be Made by KC and Would it Affect your Purchases?" Before I ever set foot on this board there were already three full pages of issues being raised, including by yourself Ron, in which you observed that K&C Crusader Axe Men "are in desparate need of quality control".

I did not "bait" Andy any more than you did. Both of us expressed our honest opinions as any consumer who surrenders their hard-earned dollars to a company has the right to.

And that is all I will say about that.:)

As for the Heydrich set, I am half Slovak so this set holds some interest for me.
 
You know chaps there must be a middle way.This is so difficult because there are many different opinions and all are equally valid.We as consumers are perfectly entitled to voice our opinions and questions as we see fit,its our money we are spending so we can.On the other side of things and on a purely human level there is this point.If any of us ran a company and was constantly criticised on a range of thngs,wouldn't we all get a bit annoyed now and again?.Are we all so perfect that we wouldn't get irritated now and again?.Just because he runs a very successful company does not mean he doesn't have pride.I often see a film or tv programme and say 'God,he/she is an awful actor,what a load of rubbish'.But could i do any better,no of course i couldn't.We have to ask ourselves do we REALLY need to nitpick EVERY single thing,even as passionate collectors?.


We are all human and all suffer from human doubts and weaknesses.I do not think Andy is a God at all.(i remember a post in which he said he does not like being described as such)He is a man who has created a very successful company with a fantastic product.I think we are very lucky to have his ear on this forum and sometimes forget how unusual it is.I remember when i collected 1/6 scale figures from Dragon,i would email an order query and was lucky if i got a reply a month later,never mind talk to the boss!.

There are perfectly valid questions like that of the Rammjager incident.I can fully understand how some people would not want it if it didn't exist.But is that the same as the Heydrich car being Blue/grey?.Is that such a problem?.

I put all this out to you because it is a shame to see all this aggro on the forum again.I have felt things have been much calmer of late and its been good.Somehow we have to find a way of voicing our opinions as customers but not persuing an 'Anti Andy' campaign.

Rob
 
Guys / Children!

Annnnnnyyyy way back to my origional post.

Is it a European thing or a world thing. I agree with Combat maybe more popular over here due to our involvment with the whole thing.

Infact it was on UK tele last night (Not K&CUKTV) and hour long documentary about it............which i missed as i think i was in the middle of a Call of Duty 3 mission on my PS3!! kid or what:D

FUnny thing is if you start a thread and it goes off on one like this one has you feel some what guilty! well i will still sleep at night as not that bad but you get my drift!

Regards

Tony Neville
K&CUK
 
Pierre said:
Hi Harry-

I am also happy to hear from you but... who is Betsy? :)

Pierre.
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Hi Pierre,

"Betsy" was (in my fevered imagination) what I christened the potential runaway train this thread seemed to be turning into. Point I was trying to make, and probably didn't do very well, is we are all entitled to our opinions and we all have priorities that are important to our individual collections. Maybe other guys have different opinions/priorities they want to express - and rightly so, this is the basis of democratic debate. But I was concerned when I saw that some of the posts on this thread were becoming somewhat personal. While discussion and debate ought to be a part of the forum IMO, I don't believe that anyone has a right to TELL someone how to run their business.

Anyway, getting back to "Loco Betsy", and the following isn't aimed at anyone on the forum in particular, I use the same technique in my job anytime something goes wrong, only this time it's a non-existant Indian called "Gupta Ram" who gets the blame all the time.

Customer (on the phone), "Well H, is this equipment going to work this time?"
Me, "Of course it'll work Mr C." (nose growing longer by the second).:rolleyes:
Equipment doesn't work.:eek:
Me, "Awe Naw, Mr C. That boy Gupta's went and fouled things up again!!!"
In loud voice, "Gupta, you get your sorry @ss into this office right now. You'n'me are gonna have a few words"
Customer, "Yeah okay H, I can hear you've got a handle on things, just make sure it works next time."
Me, "No problem Mr C."
Me, phone down, fresh cup of tea and back to the crossword......:cool:

LOL.....But the point of my nonsense is that sometimes if you go with the flow a bit more, then issues usually begin to revert to their true importance in the real world.;)
 
Harrytheheid said:
Hi Pierre,

"Betsy" was (in my fevered imagination) what I christened the potential runaway train this thread seemed to be turning into. Point I was trying to make, and probably didn't do very well, is we are all entitled to our opinions and we all have priorities that are important to our individual collections. Maybe other guys have different opinions/priorities they want to express - and rightly so, this is the basis of democratic debate. But I was concerned when I saw that some of the posts on this thread were becoming somewhat personal. While discussion and debate ought to be a part of the forum IMO, I don't believe that anyone has a right to TELL someone how to run their business.

Anyway, getting back to "Loco Betsy", and the following isn't aimed at anyone on the forum in particular, I use the same technique in my job anytime something goes wrong, only this time it's a non-existant Indian called "Gupta Ram" who gets the blame all the time.

Customer (on the phone), "Well H, is this equipment going to work this time?"
Me, "Of course it'll work Mr C." (nose growing longer by the second).:rolleyes:
Equipment doesn't work.:eek:
Me, "Awe Naw, Mr C. That boy Gupta's went and fouled things up again!!!"
In loud voice, "Gupta, you get your sorry @ss into this office right now. You'n'me are gonna have a few words"
Customer, "Yeah okay H, I can hear you've got a handle on things, just make sure it works next time."
Me, "No problem Mr C."
Me, phone down, fresh cup of tea and back to the crossword......:cool:

LOL.....But the point of my nonsense is that sometimes if you go with the flow a bit more, then issues usually begin to revert to their true importance in the real world.;)
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Interesting. I'd thought Betsy was an imaginary horse! :)
 
jazzeum said:
Re Tony's earlier points, maybe the whole collecting world is not posting here, but the people who do represent a cross sample of that world and this Forum has a huge readership and is very influential.

If it isn't, why do manufacturers and dealers come here? They know what they say will get huge airplay in the collecting community, either by reading it here or through word of mouth.

You act at your peril if you sell this place short.
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I agree, ignore forums at your peril imo.

I am a member of several forums related to military model collecting and have found that the vast majority of members rarely take part in discussions.

Forum owners can track who is accessing their forum, and most viewers of forums do not become members, such folk have the somewhat unfortunate title of "lurker". Further-more, the majority of those that do join a forum as a member rarely take part in regular discussions.

A forum is like a club in that only a small percentage of the members actually take an active role on a regular (say daily) basis. But rest assured that the majority of people accessing a forum will (at some time) read threads that they feel may be relevant to their interests.
 
OzDigger said:
I agree, ignore forums at your peril imo.

I am a member of several forums related to military model collecting and have found that the vast majority of members rarely take part in discussions.

Forum owners can track who is accessing their forum, and most viewers of forums do not become members, such folk have the somewhat unfortunate title of "lurker". Further-more, the majority of those that do join a forum as a member rarely take part in regular discussions.

A forum is like a club in that only a small percentage of the members actually take an active role on a regular (say daily) basis. But rest assured that the majority of people accessing a forum will (at some time) read threads that they feel may be relevant to their interests.
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Oz,

Love the Blackadder quote at the end of your posts:D
 
argggh but rob is Oz as Cunning as the fox that has just won the Cunning fox award!:D
 
:D

One of my faves;

'Its the stupidest thing we've read since Nelsons famous signal at the Nile ' England knows Lady Hamilton is a virgin,cut off my arm and poke out my eye if i'm wrong'!!:D

Rob
 
When I call for my extra strong ale, you pass water. :)
 
:DThere's a whole bunch of these quotes in various clips on You tube. Must look out for Edmund's DVD's when I hit HK in August - can't find them anywhere in Dubai.:(
 
Rob said:
Oz,

Love the Blackadder quote at the end of your posts:D
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Rob,
Can you remember who the Lord Flashheart character was based on. I don't think it was GMF's Flashman. Might it have been a UK politician at the time the series was produced who had problems keeping his libido under control.
I distincly remember cracking to one of my workmates that "Well, at least it's women this time".:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I like this about this forum.We've gone from Heydrich to Edmund Blackadder!.Even Blackadder wasn't as evil as Heydrich,although he did try and take over the Kingdom.

'Hey wet pants,this isn't the womans auxillary Ballon corp you know!';)

Rob
 
Harrytheheid said:
Rob,
Can you remember who the Lord Flashheart character was based on. I don't think it was GMF's Flashman. Might it have been a UK politician at the time the series was produced who had problems keeping his libido under control.
I distincly remember cracking to one of my workmates that "Well, at least it's women this time".:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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I'm not sure mate.Sounds like flashman but i don't think it was.I'll see if i can find out.

Rob
 
Canadian Samurai said:
Similarly, in a free market economy it is the duty of me as a consumer to let producers know how I think they can improve their products, and it is the duty of any rational producer to take seriously my suggestions because that’s where my money is.....

To not let your thoughts be fully known when the manufacturers are listening is to abdicate your responsibility as a true collector and your right to complain when things do not turn out they way you would have preferred.....

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CS

LOL !!

Your post is so funny it goes way beyond offending. It would be one thing that if this was some kind of screwed up Canadian Humor thing - but, you are serious and thats what is very disturbing.

Duty ? Responsibility ? - Oh please, give me a break.

We all just collect Toy Soldiers here, we are not practicing our CIVIC DUTY by buying little metal men. I mean come on - lets get grip on reality.

There is no question - that I believe there are certain areas that Andy / K&C can imporve - the Crusader Axe Man Problem is one. But, that is a packaging problem that I and many others on this forum has experienced. I didnt say - I could run the King and Country Company better because of the problem. Thats the difference between your posts and mine.

My post was informational - your post insulting - there is a difference.

When did being insulting become a civic duty? Certainly you know that you baited Andy and the response from your friends to pile on was evidence of the fact.

All of us here believe that nothing is 100% perfect - but, what you say and how you say does matter. Many of us consider Andy Nielson to be a friend - so yes - if you are looking for a fight (which I think you knew) this is the place to find it.

Everyone has the right to their opinion - but, not to be insulting. I wonder how Pierre would have handled your comments if those words of yours were directed to him? I dont think that this was any mistake of words or intention - many of us have read the angry words said about us and this forum - WHICH YOU HAVE SAID - on the other forum. It is sad the way many of you have conducted yourselves.

Well, you are welcome to this free and open forum - but, yes - you will be challenged when posts are more insulting than opinionated.

Everyone is an expert of their own opinion and certainly encouraged to share it. Strong views bring strong words and thats OK - but, we should all realize that we have a wonderful opportunity to communicate with the producers of the great products we collect - its not a right.

I dont think the Magna Carta, US Consititution and whatever Canada has? spells out the right to tell Toy Soldier Makers how to run their businesses...lawyers in the room please correct if I am wrong? Hahaha

Like I said - LOL - lets get a hold on some reality - please.

Very Sincerely,

Ron
 
So funny,One of the greatest tv shows in History in my opinion.The excellant and moving final scene in the last ever episode caused a surge of interest in WW1 over here,although it did perpetuate the 'Lions Led by Donkeys' legend for many years.And i always think its not as straight forward as that.I once talked to the author Lyn Macdonald and she told me that the veterans she had spoken with (and it was a lot!!)had no time for that description.

Rob
 
Guys

As this is my 700th post wanted it to be a funny one butttttt jjjjjjjeeeeeeze what is with the forum when it goes wrong. this post i thought was heading away from the crap which it should not have been anywhere near in the first place.

The fact of the matter is they are TOY SOLDIERS and i cannot be arsed to read a lengthy post by a bunch of people with huge chip if not potatoe on their shoulders about the odd word or comment on here. And why the hell do we need people being in betweeners to try and snuff a situation out there should be no situation in the first place (well done Harry though)........Drop all the PC crap say what you want, do not direct it to anybody. It is an open forum not a kids slag match. And most of all i could not give Himmlers spare nut what people think of me in here (although iam a bloody nice guy:)) anybody writes what they want i dont have to live with them! Unless my wife gets in here but she dont like Toy soldiers so thats cool (any way loosing my rant thread here)

Frankly when half the UK is under water, Young guys and girls are getting blown up in countries fighting for what is considered right, people are starving and the UK is going to the pisser with imigration there are a lot more important things than what is said in here......... As Damian said he comes here to get away from putting his hands inside people all day trying to save their lives, Clive comes here to clear his head of all the High level banking mess, Rob comes here to try and take his mind of his back, i come here as i like to talk toy soldiers and have a laugh..........and frankly i think we all come here to get away from the crap that sometimes enters the forum. Jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjeeeeeze it aint all that guys. No need for group hugs, no need for aplogies, no need for i am sorry this i am sorry that........just get on and talk toy soldiers.

The industry has moved on and if we want it to continue with the fresh blood that it needs IT WILL change.............oh by the way it has changed! and if your on here posting threads etc YOU HAVE CHANGED too.

LOTS OF LOVE AND HUGS

Tony 'can we all just talk rubbish and toy soldiers with the odd funny' Neville
 
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