WW2 Marines - Pacific (1 Viewer)

[thebritfarmer]

Can we tone it down abit please chaps. I realize we are passionate about our hobby, but lets keep it friendly eh

 

[Stryker II]

So what is your point???? This is suppossed to be a free forum of expression and ideas. If you are a King & Country collector, which I am too--(ONLY IWO JIMA), then why are you trying to say anything negative about what CS might do in the **ture? Brian was the one who has shown interest in the line, and I do think with the release of the Pacific either late this year or early next, Andy will again re-visit the pacific line--perhaps not Iwo, but there are many more campaigns to be explored. We are telling him that there is a market for these, and we will support him or ANYONE ELSE that does them --plastic or metal. Believe it or not, there are alot of collectors that ARE BORED with the same old tiresome vehicles, lines, figures, etc from europe. If you aren't then continue to spend your money on this stuff and we won't--its as simple as that. You spend, we save and sooner or later someone will bring our wants to market, and then we can enjoy this section of the hobby as WE desire too. My relatives were at Guadalcanal, Tarawa, Saipan, Pellilu, Tinian, Iwo Jima, and Okinawa, Inchon, Chosin Resovoir, Khe Sanh and they sure weren't fighting Nazies......................Stryker 100th post!!!!!!!!!! for you

 

[OzDigger]

I don't think there was any negativity intended, and I have to say that I also noted that the majority of posts on this thread were by a special few, and I suspect Brian would also have noted that as well.

That said, I still think The Pacific Theater has HUGE potential. However, I think manufacturers are making the same mistake that K & C made by only making Japanese and US Marine sets. Imo you will only attract NEW collectors to the Pacific range if several other combatants are also represented such as Aussies, New Zealanders, Germans and British.

 

[Rob]

Speaking for myself only here,my first interest will always be Europe.But if someone released some Pacific War figures would i buy them?.Hell yeah!..I don't think we should pigeonhole ourselves or each other.Just because European theatre is my favourite does that mean i can't collect Pacific,course not.I appreciate all theatres of WW2 and all were equally valid.The Japenese wouldn't have been beaten without the US Marines and Europe wouldn't have been liberated without D Day.

I also agree with Oz in that along with US Marine and Japenese figures i'd like to see Brits and Aussies for that theatre too.

There is no doubt that TS producers do take note of what is said on these forums,the calm and continuing discussion is the best way to go,we found this some years back when we lobbyied a well known producer to return to an earlier theme.

Rob

 

[OzDigger]

Very true Rob, and I would suggest that TCS is large enough to handle several different WWII ranges, in fact like most industries, diversification is the key to success.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Very true Rob, and I would suggest that TCS is large enough to handle several different WWII ranges, in fact like most industries, diversification is the key to success.

And now with Figarti and especially CS producing armour, I think there is a bit more scope for niche, small run armour like some Italian, Russian, US Pacific, Jap etc. pieces. After all, I do not believe one company producing many ranges so well as K&C does, can produce everything for everyone. I suspect their production runs for most items are large and must be big sellers.

Additional Canadian troops would go a long way to help K&C's sales, not that I have any bias.

Terry

 

[Rob]

This is what we want...but much smaller!

Rob

 

[Stryker II]

This is what we want...but much smaller!

Rob

Rob: those figures look good, the shotgun adds alot!! I have a photo of a marine with one on Iwo......................Stryker

 

[thebritfarmer]

Good old Action Man, brings back some memories

 

[Rob]

Rob: those figures look good, the shotgun adds alot!! I have a photo of a marine with one on Iwo......................Stryker

Thanks Stryker,am annoyed as i also have the Marine figure of ''Windtalkers' Joe Enders'(i think thats his name)but he is hiding in the loft at the moment and i can't find him.

I can imagine the Shotgun was devastating at pretty close range on Iwo Jima and all the other Islands.

Rob

Does that two colour camo have a name by the way?

 

[redhugh]

I,m not being a smart a--, but I believe 170 of the 177 postings for Marines were done by two people, Stryker & Kingtoot.
I,m with Jazz on this, I believe he said he was not going to do it as there is not enough interest to warrant it financially.
I don,t have a dog in this fight as I don't collect CS.
I will ask this tho, as I still have not received an answer, what was wrong with K&C,s last issue of Japs?
I have them and think they are great.
Gary

I wasn't too keen on the last batch of K&C japanese until I started mixing them with the first K&C release of japanese . Think they are great as an add on to the first release but on their own there wasn't enough variety of poses The sculpting of the second release of japanese and marines was of the highest K&C standard . The first release of japanese though are among my favourite K&C figures Likewise when you mix the later marines with the early marines you have some great dio's

 

[Stryker II]

Thanks Stryker,am annoyed as i also have the Marine figure of ''Windtalkers' Joe Enders'(i think thats his name)but he is hiding in the loft at the moment and i can't find him.

I can imagine the Shotgun was devastating at pretty close range on Iwo Jima and all the other Islands.

Rob

Does that two colour camo have a name by the way?

Rob: good observation and question. Its a vast military "secret" smile, but it was simply know as "green-side" and "brown/tan side". The helmet covers were made basically from the same material as the clothes, and came in three different types. Official orders were, that green side was to be worn in heavily jungled areas like Guadalcanal, which was basically over by the time they were issued. Tan side was to be used in atoll fighting, where there was less jungle and more sandy terrain. These orders were never followed explicitly however, and Marines wore them however. I have 2 sets in my collection of USMC gear, and they are pretty nice. The helmet covers were made in 3 patterns too, one with slits, one without, and one with added extra slits in the flaps. These carried on until early Vietnam days, as the USMC have worn them since Tarawa, and is a distinctive feature of thier uniforms......Stryker

 

[Rob]

Rob: good observation and question. Its a vast military "secret" smile, but it was simply know as "green-side" and "brown/tan side". The helmet covers were made basically from the same material as the clothes, and came in three different types. Official orders were, that green side was to be worn in heavily jungled areas like Guadalcanal, which was basically over by the time they were issued. Tan side was to be used in atoll fighting, where there was less jungle and more sandy terrain. These orders were never followed explicitly however, and Marines wore them however. I have 2 sets in my collection of USMC gear, and they are pretty nice. The helmet covers were made in 3 patterns too, one with slits, one without, and one with added extra slits in the flaps. These carried on until early Vietnam days, as the USMC have worn them since Tarawa, and is a distinctive feature of thier uniforms......Stryker

Thanks Stryker, i didn't know that,very interesting.I was wondering if the Marines had a bit more leeway re uniforms and equip,it was a harsh climate they were fighting in and uniform regulations must have been a long way down the priority list.I understand some of them carried more than one canteen on their belts,again this must have been essential in those conditions.

Rob

 

[binder001]

Rob,

I had heard of the USMC camoflage utilities referred to as "duck hunters' suits" but I don't know if that was a post war name or not.

On uniforms, the USMC was continually evolving the uniforms and gear. I think divisional commanders had some say in how "uniform" their troops had to be in action.

It's kind of interesting to hear people say they want "USMC" figures or "Pacific figures". One needs to be a bit more specific on the campaign. A Marine on Guadalcanal was not dressed or equipped like the guy who went ashore on Tarawa and there were differences to the Iwo Jima Marines, etc.

Gary

 

[Stryker II]

Thanks Stryker, i didn't know that,very interesting.I was wondering if the Marines had a bit more leeway re uniforms and equip,it was a harsh climate they were fighting in and uniform regulations must have been a long way down the priority list.I understand some of them carried more than one canteen on their belts,again this must have been essential in those conditions.

Rob

Rob: yes uniform regulations are stretched to the limits, in overseas duty. Stateside, regulations were more followed "by the book", but no one cared which uniform was worn on a hot beach-head. I have some pictures that show some marines without a helmet cover in the later stages of fighting, but that can be explained by the fact that they were tone or unfit for combat. It is highly unusal for them to be without one today. Alot of units were not even issued these until early 43 or late 43, with front-line divisions being first ones issued. If you check the pictures of landings on New Britain and New Georgia, along with Bougainville AFTER Guadalcanal, you will see Maine units start having them, quite a contrast from the 1942 early days of Guadalcanal. Water is almost as important as ammo, so each member was "highly encouraged" to carry 2 canteens whenever possible. As you can see, canteen covers changed quite a bit from early war to later. The first pattern was deemed "not good enough", because the canteen could actually work itself out or fall out in rough terrain or a landing. The CRISS-CROSS pattern solved that problem by safely holding the canteen in place WITHIN the cover. Interestingly, there were 2 patterns to this also--one with a drain hole and one without. Obviously, if you didn't have one with, you took your trusty K-Bar and made one yourself. Iwo Jima had no natural water supply, and the rain water gathered by the japs had a very sulpheric smell and taste to it. Even during that cold February and March, water was a precious item there.................Stryker

 

[binder001]

Water was so important that some Marine tank units made water tanks that sat on the back of their Shermans. These improvised tanks had a basic drain pipe with a spigot at the end. The tank could carry 50 gallons of drinking water for the Marine infantry to refill their canteens.

Gary

 

[Stryker II]

water was so important that some marine tank units made water tanks that sat on the back of their shermans. These improvised tanks had a basic drain pipe with a spigot at the end. The tank could carry 50 gallons of drinking water for the marine infantry to refill their canteens.

Gary

gary: That would be a good addition to say a flame-throwing sherman, with marine protection squad around it..............stryker

 

[Harrytheheid]

Rob,

It's kind of interesting to hear people say they want "USMC" figures or "Pacific figures". One needs to be a bit more specific on the campaign. A Marine on Guadalcanal was not dressed or equipped like the guy who went ashore on Tarawa and there were differences to the Iwo Jima Marines, etc.

Gary

Okay Gary,

I would like the opportunity to purchase figures representing USMC, US Army and Philippine Scouts from Bataan and Corridigor. And their Japanese opponents.
I'm not interested in figures representing surrendered Allied troops.

In addition, I would like the opportunity to purchase figures representing the Japanese invasion of Manchuria and the area of China around Shanghai and Nanking. And their Chinese opponents.
Oh, and Japanese vs Russian border clashes.
Might as well throw in the invasion of Hong Kong as well. I'm not too interested in figures representing the defence of Singapore for some reason.

I would also like the opportunity to purchase figures representing Wingate's Chindits in Burma. And their Japanese opponents.

Similarly, I would like the opportunity to buy figures representing the AVG and British Empire troops in the Defence of Rangoon, and their Japanese opponents (with AFV's).
I know Frontline offer AVG figures - I've got them, and both the Figarti P40's. Unfortunately, neither the figures nor the aircraft are very good. In actual fact the "cheap'n'cheerful" 21st Century P40 I bought to augment my AVG squadron is superior in almost every way to the Figarti efforts. So if Collectors Showcase would like to step up to the plate, they'll find that I'd be a VERY WILLING purchaser of almost anything from the early Pacific battles and the China-Burma-India Theatre of Operations.

In marked contrast to my general preference for early Pacific war battles, I would also like the opportunity to purchase figures and AFV's representing USMC, US Army and Filippino troops involved in the reconquest of Manila. And their Japanese opponents.

These are definitely the Pacific figures I want and I believe I've been specific enough here.


Thanks
Harry

 

[Rob]

Stryker,Gary,thanks for your posts guys,really good to learn new stuff about the Pacific theatre of warfare.It is often over looked but i must say i want to learn more.

Rob

 

[Stryker II]

Stryker,Gary,thanks for your posts guys,really good to learn new stuff about the Pacific theatre of warfare.It is often over looked but i must say i want to learn more.

Rob

Rob: any questions you have about Marines, feel free to fire my way or Kingtoot. If we don't know between us, we'll find out for you.....Semper Fi............Stryker