N.f.l. 2010 season (2 Viewers)

[Currahee Chris]

Its one of my favorites as well. For my money, Harrison Ford's best role.

I'll still take him as Indiana Jones first.

 

[lancer]

If Ford isn't playing Decker, then I like him in the Tom Clancy movies as Jack Ryan. Really like "Clear and Present Danger" and "Patriot Games". -- Al

 

[Spitfrnd]

you know there's a sixth right

Actually Chris there are seven but only 5 are generally regarded as offering much worth while seeing relative to the other 5. The San Diego "sneak preview version was shown only once in May 1982, and is almost identical to the Domestic Cut with three extra scenes. The U.S. Broadcast (television) version (1986, 114 minutes) is the U.S. theatrical version edited for violence, propanity and nudity. While non memorable, I have seen that one. The other five are all worth seeing for various reasons but I think I really like the new and restored Final Cut (2007, 117 minutes), the best now. The other four are the Domestic Cut original U.S. "happy ending" release (1982, 116 minutes), the International Versions with some additional scenes and uncut violence, the first Director's Cut (1992, 116 minutes) dropping Deckard's narration and adding the unicorn scene and the original workprint version (113 minutes) with many differences. I don't think very many people have seen the San Diego version.

 

[lancer]

Actually Chris there are seven but only 5 are generally regarded as offering much worth while seeing relative to the other 5. The San Diego "sneak preview version was shown only once in May 1982, and is almost identical to the Domestic Cut with three extra scenes. The U.S. Broadcast (television) version (1986, 114 minutes) is the U.S. theatrical version edited for violence, propanity and nudity. While non memorable, I have seen that one. The other five are all worth seeing for various reasons but I think I really like the new and restored Final Cut (2007, 117 minutes), the best now. The other four are the Domestic Cut original U.S. "happy ending" release (1982, 116 minutes), the International Versions with some additional scenes and uncut violence, the first Director's Cut (1992, 116 minutes) dropping Deckard's narration and adding the unicorn scene and the original workprint version (113 minutes) with many differences. I don't think very many people have seen the San Diego version.

What is the difference between 1st Director's cut @116 minutes and the restored Final Cut @ 117 minutes? I keep meaning to get the multi-version set but haven't yet. -- Al

 

[Spitfrnd]

What is the difference between 1st Director's cut @116 minutes and the restored Final Cut @ 117 minutes? I keep meaning to get the multi-version set but haven't yet. -- Al

There are quite a few differences between the two. First there is a dramatic physical improvement of the picture and sound. A new digital print of the film was created from the original negatives, while the special effects were updated and polished. Special effects footage was scanned in at 8,000 lines per frame, which is four times the resolution used in most restorations. The city skyline shots in the restored version are most stunning. The sound track was completely remastered for The Final Cut in 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound and resynched to the scenes and action. It sounds great.

The Final Cut also has several new and extended scenes. The famous unicorn dream scene is extended from the Director's Cut. There is extra footage of the bleak Los Angelas street scenes, including an extra shot of a crowded city street, a brief sequence of two exotic dancers wearing hockey masks, and a shot of Deckard meeting a policeman before he enters the Snake Pit. The scene with Zhora crashing through a display case after being pursued by Deckard was reshot and extended with the original actress, Joanna Cassidy, performing the stunt herself, replacing original footage of an obvious stunt double. Roy Batty’s death scene, finally is features a dove is released into a night sky, with an appropriate bleak backdrop. Some scenes, such as Deckard's first meeting with Gaff in the noodle bar, have been trimmed. Various pieces of dialogue too have been inserted or altered. In an early scene, where Bryant and Deckard are looking over Nexus 6 profiles, Bryant now describes Leon’s job, and when he talks about replicants being caught in an electrical field, the dialogue has been changed from: "One of them got fried running though an electrical field" to "Two of them got fried running through an electrical field". This now accounts for the sixth replicant.
In the scene where Batty confronts Tyrell, the line, "I want more life, f***er" has been replaced with "I want more life, father”. In the same scene, after Batty has killed Tyrell, he now says to Sebastian, "I'm sorry Sebastian. Come. Come." Deckard’s conversation with a snake merchant has been rerecorded and reworked to make it in sync. Other additions include extra violence. All of the violent scenes in the International Cut that were deleted in the U.S. theatrical release have been reinserted.

Personnally I find most of the scene changes subtle and could have done without the additional graphic violence but the corrections in a couple of scenes and sound syncing and most of all the dramatic improvement in the picture and sound make it well worth the new investment to me.

 

[lancer]

Thanks Bill. A very descriptive answer to my question and I appreciate the time you took. Now I just need to go find the Final Cut as it sounds like the one to have. Found myself frustrated by the many different alterations in the different versions. Was really irked when I found scenes like the Tyrell death scene altered. Also like the scene where Batty shoves the nail through his hand. It was removed from many of the versions. Thanks again. -- Al

 

[Louis Badolato]

There are quite a few differences between the two. First there is a dramatic physical improvement of the picture and sound. A new digital print of the film was created from the original negatives, while the special effects were updated and polished. Special effects footage was scanned in at 8,000 lines per frame, which is four times the resolution used in most restorations. The city skyline shots in the restored version are most stunning. The sound track was completely remastered for The Final Cut in 5.1 Dolby Digital surround sound and resynched to the scenes and action. It sounds great.

The Final Cut also has several new and extended scenes. The famous unicorn dream scene is extended from the Director's Cut. There is extra footage of the bleak Los Angelas street scenes, including an extra shot of a crowded city street, a brief sequence of two exotic dancers wearing hockey masks, and a shot of Deckard meeting a policeman before he enters the Snake Pit. The scene with Zhora crashing through a display case after being pursued by Deckard was reshot and extended with the original actress, Joanna Cassidy, performing the stunt herself, replacing original footage of an obvious stunt double. Roy Batty’s death scene, finally is features a dove is released into a night sky, with an appropriate bleak backdrop. Some scenes, such as Deckard's first meeting with Gaff in the noodle bar, have been trimmed. Various pieces of dialogue too have been inserted or altered. In an early scene, where Bryant and Deckard are looking over Nexus 6 profiles, Bryant now describes Leon’s job, and when he talks about replicants being caught in an electrical field, the dialogue has been changed from: "One of them got fried running though an electrical field" to "Two of them got fried running through an electrical field". This now accounts for the sixth replicant.
In the scene where Batty confronts Tyrell, the line, "I want more life, f***er" has been replaced with "I want more life, father”. In the same scene, after Batty has killed Tyrell, he now says to Sebastian, "I'm sorry Sebastian. Come. Come." Deckard’s conversation with a snake merchant has been rerecorded and reworked to make it in sync. Other additions include extra violence. All of the violent scenes in the International Cut that were deleted in the U.S. theatrical release have been reinserted.

Personnally I find most of the scene changes subtle and could have done without the additional graphic violence but the corrections in a couple of scenes and sound syncing and most of all the dramatic improvement in the picture and sound make it well worth the new investment to me.

Does the final cut have Deckard's narration? I wasn't crazy about the director's cut which removed the narration. If the narration is included in the final cut, I will have to snag a copy, as those additions and changes sound really fascinating. In the book, there is an entire subplot with a replicant police station/blade runners. I wonder why that never made it into the movie?

 

[Spitfrnd]

Does the final cut have Deckard's narration? I wasn't crazy about the director's cut which removed the narration. If the narration is included in the final cut, I will have to snag a copy, as those additions and changes sound really fascinating. In the book, there is an entire subplot with a replicant police station/blade runners. I wonder why that never made it into the movie?

No unfortunately it does not. There was obviously quite a bit of controversy about the narration; Ford in fact hated the idea. I could go either way but even without it the Final Cut is well worth getting for the other changes.

That said, I guess they have yet to make my favorite cut which would be the Final Cut, with the violence restored to the original Theatrical Cut and the original happy ending (I am a sucker for those). All the other changes in the Final Cut really appeal to me. The fixing of a fair number of little technical gaffs, like the eye in the opening scene and the visible wires on Gaff's spinner are significant. Of the others, the Working Print, while rough, is interesting to see since it was the genesis for all the other changes. The International Version has become largely irrelevent with the Final Cut.

 

[Louis Badolato]

No unfortunately it does not. There was obviously quite a bit of controversy about the narration; Ford in fact hated the idea. I could go either way but even without it the Final Cut is well worth getting for the other changes.

That said, I guess they have yet to make my favorite cut which would be the Final Cut, with the violence restored to the original Theatrical Cut and the original happy ending (I am a sucker for those). All the other changes in the Final Cut really appeal to me. The fixing of a fair number of little technical gaffs, like the eye in the opening scene and the visible wires on Gaff's spinner are significant. Of the others, the Working Print, while rough, is interesting to see since it was the genesis for all the other changes. The International Version has become largely irrelevent with the Final Cut.

I guess I'll have to get the final cut just to see the changes, but I always loved the narration. What Harrison Ford likes or doesn't like is meaningless as far as I'm concerned. He's a good actor, but not the sharpest knife in the drawer, as is evidenced by the fact that he hated playing Han Solo and did that last Indiana Jones movie, which was apallingly bad.

 

[Spitfrnd]

I guess I'll have to get the final cut just to see the changes, but I always loved the narration. What Harrison Ford likes or doesn't like is meaningless as far as I'm concerned. He's a good actor, but not the sharpest knife in the drawer, as is evidenced by the fact that he hated playing Han Solo and did that last Indiana Jones movie, which was apallingly bad.

Perhaps but we pilots have to stick together.

 

[lancer]

It's game day and the Skins play da Bears at 1, EST. Should be a good one between these old rivals. Gonna be close, too. Go Skins! -- Al

 

[lancer]

It's game day and the Skins play da Bears at 1, EST. Should be a good one between these old rivals. Gonna be close, too. Go Skins! -- Al

The Bumble Bowl is over and the Skins win because DeAngelo Hall intercepts 4 passes in the 2nd half. Seems he was the only one on the field who wanted to win. A win ugly (and, boy, it was ugly) is still a win. Skins are now 4-3 which equals last years total of wins. Next up, Detroit. -- Al

 

[Peter Reuss]

Al, I just watched that game, and I think my eyeballs hurt! What a painful display. The Skins hung in there and did what they had to do. Many thanks to you for knocking off the Bears and giving the Vikes a chance.

 

[lancer]

Al, I just watched that game, and I think my eyeballs hurt! What a painful display. The Skins hung in there and did what they had to do. Many thanks to you for knocking off the Bears and giving the Vikes a chance.

LOL. Peter, it was our pleasure. The Skins seem to be doomed to playing UGLY football. It even rubs off on our foes. Well, as long as we win.... -- Al

 

[Spitfrnd]

The Bumble Bowl is over and the Skins win because DeAngelo Hall intercepts 4 passes in the 2nd half. Seems he was the only one on the field who wanted to win. A win ugly (and, boy, it was ugly) is still a win. Skins are now 4-3 which equals last years total of wins. Next up, Detroit. -- Al

Well you remember what I said about winning ugly; the great Redskin teams often did that. Anyway, maybe Hall is out of the doghouse for another week.

 

[sammy719]

The Bumble Bowl is over and the Skins win because DeAngelo Hall intercepts 4 passes in the 2nd half. Seems he was the only one on the field who wanted to win. A win ugly (and, boy, it was ugly) is still a win. Skins are now 4-3 which equals last years total of wins. Next up, Detroit. -- Al

Ugly?? you talk about ugly?? try giving up 500 yds of offense to a 0-5 team (Bills) and barely I mean Barely surviving for a win, I'll take the win going into our bye next week but if my Ravens do not tighten some screws on defense there will be more games like this (hope not, my heart can't take many more) but 5-2 not bad at the bye, at least the offense is showing life...Sammy

 

[tdubel]

Ugly?? you talk about ugly?? try giving up 500 yds of offense to a 0-5 team (Bills) and barely I mean Barely surviving for a win, I'll take the win going into our bye next week but if my Ravens do not tighten some screws on defense there will be more games like this (hope not, my heart can't take many more) but 5-2 not bad at the bye, at least the offense is showing life...Sammy

Sammy, looks like the Ravens and the Steelers were recipients of favorable NFL replay/non replay rulings. The Ravens just looked off. The Steelers were plain lazy, we only played yesterday when we had too, not a good habit to develop. All in all , I will take the 5-1 record at this point, the NFL was a little wild yesterday.

TD

 

[Currahee Chris]

Dallas continues their run at mediocrity- Can't wait for Phillips exit

Anyone else think that walking out through a sports bar to get onto the field is odd?? Seems very strange.

How bout the raiders hanging up 59 points-!!!!

definately a wacky week.

 

[mikemiller1955]

Dallas continues their run at mediocrity- Can't wait for Phillips exit

"run at mediocrity...

hahaha...we wish...

we will strive for mediocrity the rest of the season...

mediocrity will be a blessinng the final 10 games...we may go 1-15...

Wade is practicing the "Mora speech"...

"play offs...don't talk about play offs...you kidding me...palyoffs...


http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE&feature=related

this second one is just too funny...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QR0n0Ot8nY&feature=related

 

[Currahee Chris]

I've been a Dallas fan for years and remember the 1-15 seasons and the 3-13 ones as well- at no point did they just utterly surrender like they did last night- I cannot for the life of me believe that Romo inspires them that much- he just doesn't strike me as a leader type- not like Staubach, Aikman, Meredith, or White- he's just off somehow.

Anyway, that was as bad as a game as I have ever seen with the Boyz. Jones should have them all refund their paychecks and refund all the spectators their money from the game. If you were on the field last night in a Dallas jersey and Jerry Jones signs your paychecks- you are a walkiing payroll fraud!! They just got owned- it's as if there were 22 people playing for the Giants last night instead of 11. The score was far closer than it really was.

Just dismal.

And hats off to the Giants D- while they don't have LT anymore, this D is as dominating as they were in the 80's- not as explosive or exciting but definately as dominating- they are the team to beat in the NFC.