King&Country LAH Items.....A Sound Collecting Investment (1 Viewer)

PanzerAce1944 said:
One very important point to consider regarding this thread. New collectors just gaining interest in the hobby and having the means to purchase are a big driving force in regards to higher values of retired items.....bought at original retail and sold 3x -5x the initial price. As a new collector 4 years ago I too paid the price for those hard to find retired items.
It doesn't hurt to realise top quality,hand painted white metal toy soldiers have value to them......whether you keep everything and never sell a thing or not. Cheers....
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So I bet you would not be happy if kc remade all the LAH figure again then mate ?as for figures going up in value on eBay I would say 99% of the stuff being sold at the moment does not go up in value and your be lucky to get your money back as there to much out there
 
We all know best what creates "value". My wife wouldn't spend $1 for a little toy soldier. It has no value for her at all. All we can hope for is that there's a demand for TS (ie LAH) at the time we want or need (or our widdows need the space for new shoes) to sell off.

My TS collection so far has cost me an arm and a leg. But the "value" of my collection for me is much higher then the street value ever will be. The only value it has for my wife is that she knows how much I like them and that it makes me happy collecting them.

Investment? Perhaps if the TS would be made of gold.
 
I don't collect for profit so i would be wrapped if K&C released/remade a heap of the older stuff but with the modern touch.
 
HAWKEYE said:
hi mitch, your depth of knowledge is very impressive[sepp dietrich the equstrian]. Keep up the good work. And by the way when are we getting our brumbar,puma and sturmtiger?
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Mitch said:
Hawkeye...

Ask the man in charge!!!! Sturmtiger then brumbar and puma that should sort out February and March's dispatches. Seriously, one or more should be coming through soon??
Mitch
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Morning chaps, talking to Andy in London last month he said he had no immediate plans to make a Sturmtiger.

Rob
 
uksubs said:
So I bet you would not be happy if kc remade all the LAH figure again then mate ?as for figures going up in value on eBay I would say 99% of the stuff being sold at the moment does not go up in value and your be lucky to get your money back as there to much out there
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That's why you have to carefully pick and choose. My multiple buys to put away have not done me wrong yet.
There are several guidelines that I adhere to: 1) Overall appeal of the item. 2) initial popularity 3) how quickly dealers are selling these and having to reorder. 4) The popularity of the actual range itself.
To me everything I buy is made of gold.I enjoy them greatly. My priority is collecting, displaying and enjoying. In the mean time it helps if what I buy maintains a significant value to it all. Cheers.....Happy Collecting. !
 
just sounds like a whole heap of effort for no reason. I have a decent LAH collection which, covers K&C from the start and, CS from start. I buy multiples but, I have never bought an item to sit in a box or, to keep in case it rises in value. I am ran along the lines of Ostrein my collection is more important and valuable for me than monetry value its what I want to have.

I have said before I could not care whether my collection devalues rather than increases as its mine. But, as Rob has eluded to many times each to their own
Mitch
 
Mitch said:
just sounds like a whole heap of effort for no reason. I have a decent LAH collection which, covers K&C from the start and, CS from start. I buy multiples but, I have never bought an item to sit in a box or, to keep in case it rises in value. I am ran along the lines of Ostrein my collection is more important and valuable for me than monetry value its what I want to have.

I have said before I could not care whether my collection devalues rather than increases as its mine. But, as Rob has eluded to many times each to their own
Mitch
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Yep, it matters not one iota to me what its worth, I collect purely for the fun of it. Now when I've gone to the great Pasta restaurant in the Sky , well then my wife can sell it all and enjoy any profit . Until then its all about the fun:)

Rob
 
"King&Country LAH Items....A Sound Collecting Investment",.........a word of warning here. Irrespective of what range you collect remember that Art/collectibles are considered by financial planners to be the most speculative of investments not a sound investment and therefore should never make up a large portion of your investment portfolio. Many on this forum seem to begrudge those who buy and sell these items as investments, I have no problem with that as its not for any of us to judge others motives. I would say though that I think this type of speculation has been part of the reason for increased costs of these collectibles ( firms trying to maximize profits and all ) which hurts all collectors in the hobby.

DISCLAIMER: My comments are more directed to collectibles as investments in general than on the LAH in particular as my knowledge of them are limited. I generally do not comment on LAH threads because I find them distasteful and would be embarrassed to have them within my home on display but to each there own.
 
I voiced my opinion and points and sticking to it. Why the need to try and negate the points I have made are beyond me.
Disclaimer: Collectors of The LAH series should have no reason to be ashamed. Most of us are history buffs who have a great interest in WWII and the events leading up to it. Germany had some awesome weaponry, stand out uniforms,
And military dominance which draws in collectors and historians. Do we say I am ashamed of collecting the Roman series......Look what they did and who they executed. !!!
Collecting these items attaches no shame or labeling of personal beliefs to it. Unfortunately to some it always will.
 
I think we should try and keep it about the financial part of the thread. Everyone has their opinion about the SS and, more so, the parade version of the SS before the war. some will be embarrased some will not, some like some dislike and, after having quite a bit hurled at me for my LAH collection its really best not to go down that road.

I do agree with CFM about the problems with prices that some of what are called speculators have greatly affected the general price of products for the whole hobby
Mitch
 
To be up front and clear with everyone here. I am a collector first. If my collection exceeds in value over time all the better. On that note......Cheers and........Happy Collecting. :)
 
PanzerAce1944 said:
I voiced my opinion and points and sticking to it. Why the need to try and negate the points I have made are beyond me.
Disclaimer: Collectors of The LAH series should have no reason to be ashamed. Most of us are history buffs who have a great interest in WWII and the events leading up to it. Germany had some awesome weaponry, stand out uniforms,
And military dominance which draws in collectors and historians. Do we say I am ashamed of collecting the Roman series......Look what they did and who they executed. !!!
Collecting these items attaches no shame or labeling of personal beliefs to it. Unfortunately to some it always will.
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"PanzerAce1944":

I agree 100%, well stated!

"Iron Brigade"
 
PanzerAce1944 said:
Disclaimer: Collectors of The LAH series should have no reason to be ashamed. Most of us are history buffs who have a great interest in WWII and the events leading up to it. Germany had some awesome weaponry, stand out uniforms,
And military dominance which draws in collectors and historians. Do we say I am ashamed of collecting the Roman series......Look what they did and who they executed. !!!
Collecting these items attaches no shame or labeling of personal beliefs to it. Unfortunately to some it always will.
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Interesting take on all of this- Rome finally fell in 1461 so not sure if too many people are living today who can lay claim to having lived through their atrocities. True, Rome handed Jesus over to the Jews and what was done was done according to Roman law. There is quite an extensive historical record supporting the fact that Rome was considerably more tolerant than even society today in dealing with freedom of religion and sexual orientation. Additionally, Constantine's declaration that Christianity become the state religion for Rome pretty much saved the religion from perhaps dropping into obscurity- the irony is pretty interesting.

But more to the main point of your thread- I had come across some hard times and was selling my KC collection at a massive wargaming show back in the spring 2004- couldn't give away some of the items like WS023 Panther for $65 or even Yanks 03- GI with Dog for $20. Nowadays, these pieces seem to command a pretty serious premium on ebay.

I really don't think LAH has anything to do with it. regardless of my opinion of King and Country, the formula that they follow does seem to help collectors achieve some markup should they decide to sell their figures- I have SF sets, Egyptian sets, etc which seem to have more paper "value" than anything WW2 related in my collection. I think the "soundness" is more a function of the KC process than anything attributable to any particular range.
 
Mitch, I think of late LAH collectors sometimes feel they have to explain themselves. They certainly do not, each to their own I say. I'm sure the vast majority are just ordinary collectors who just like the figures and the weaponry, we all like a Tiger Tank, its only if folk start admiring/defending the Nazi's that it gets a bit iffy.

And lets be honest, if you admire them or wish they'd won, your lift probably doesn't go to the top floor anyway!:D:D

I admire those guys who make a sub hobby buying and selling on ebay. I must be a hoarder because I can't sell any of my K&C, maybe there is a link between that and us having to extend into the garage in the near future!:wink2:

Rob



Mitch said:
I think we should try and keep it about the financial part of the thread. Everyone has their opinion about the SS and, more so, the parade version of the SS before the war. some will be embarrased some will not, some like some dislike and, after having quite a bit hurled at me for my LAH collection its really best not to go down that road.

I do agree with CFM about the problems with prices that some of what are called speculators have greatly affected the general price of products for the whole hobby
Mitch
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Rob...

It depends, I have done lots of work on the SS and met lots of them over the years. Now, when we discuss battles or, massacres and the like, a few jump in with emotion when anyone offers the other side whether or not they accept that side there is a side to tell. If we don't then we have a lop sided view of the greatest conflict in history. Its the in thing to say the allies were always right and the axis were always wrong, thats too simplistic for me as, like it or not, they thought they were right in the ideals which, eventually they fought for just as we did. I don't see any harm in addressing the other side of the issue.

I think of LAH collectors the opposite to what you have just said. Now, there are certainly more openly showing their collections and talking about them. When I joined and started showing mine there was really only Wayne. I had plenty of arguments with people who all had plenty to say about the Nazi's and, all took some form of moral high ground.

There is a huge difference in admiring or defending and, accepting and wanting to understand the reasons why they went about what they did. If we are history buffs which is always said on here then why ignore or, dismiss the side we faught?
Mitch

Rob said:
Mitch, I think of late LAH collectors sometimes feel they have to explain themselves. They certainly do not, each to their own I say. I'm sure the vast majority are just ordinary collectors who just like the figures and the weaponry, we all like a Tiger Tank, its only if folk start admiring/defending the Nazi's that it gets a bit iffy.

And lets be honest, if you admire them or wish they'd won, your lift probably doesn't go to the top floor anyway!:D:D

I admire those guys who make a sub hobby buying and selling on ebay. I must be a hoarder because I can't sell any of my K&C, maybe there is a link between that and us having to extend into the garage in the near future!:wink2:

Rob
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Mitch said:
Rob...

It depends, I have done lots of work on the SS and met lots of them over the years. Now, when we discuss battles or, massacres and the like, a few jump in with emotion when anyone offers the other side whether or not they accept that side there is a side to tell. If we don't then we have a lop sided view of the greatest conflict in history. Its the in thing to say the allies were always right and the axis were always wrong, thats too simplistic for me as, like it or not, they thought they were right in the ideals which, eventually they fought for just as we did. I don't see any harm in addressing the other side of the issue.

I think of LAH collectors the opposite to what you have just said. Now, there are certainly more openly showing their collections and talking about them. When I joined and started showing mine there was really only Wayne. I had plenty of arguments with people who all had plenty to say about the Nazi's and, all took some form of moral high ground.

There is a huge difference in admiring or defending and, accepting and wanting to understand the reasons why they went about what they did. If we are history buffs which is always said on here then why ignore or, dismiss the side we faught?
Mitch
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The thing I can't quite wrap my head around with you Mitch and the LAH is that you will "offer a balanced and subjective viewpoint" when discussing the LAH yet when threads pop up about other potential disturbers of the peace- michigan toy soldier scandal, the London riotiers- you seem ready to send those folks to the gallows without obtaining that fair and balanced discussion for their actions. Why is that?

At the end of the day, I really don't need an armchair historian giving me the lessons on why I should admire or not be so rash to judge the LAH or any other branch of the German WW2 machine. I'll happily take the moral high ground (your term) in how I judge the German war machine as provided to me by my grandfather who walked with a limp courtesy of a wehrmacht mortar...not to mention the scores of other WW2 vets I have met- like Bill Guarnerie- a former Currahee like myself- or even based on my own experiences during the three years I spent in Nuremburg myself. There opinions and view points speak more to me than if there was a complete 100% agreement by all the worlds military historians.
 
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