Figarti Winter T-34......A change in Production Numbers !!! (1 Viewer)

[PanzerAce1944]

I find it quite interesting that in many past discussions concerning Figarti tanks, they were made with a total
Production run of 100 with the reasons given ranging from Rick Wang's own concept that 100 was the number
That they wanted to stay with to the molds giving out at anything attempted beyond that.
Now we have the newest T-34 made with 150 total production made. Did Figarti realise that collector demand
Proved that 100 pieces made was in fact too low a number. ??? Apparantly the molds can hold up to 150 now :wink2:

 

[tdubel]

I find it quite interesting that in many past discussions concerning Figarti tanks, they were made with a total
Production run of 100 with the reasons given ranging from Rick Wang's own concept that 100 was the number
That they wanted to stay with to the molds giving out at anything attempted beyond that.
Now we have the newest T-34 made with 150 total production made. Did Figarti realise that collector demand
Proved that 100 pieces made was in fact too low a number. ??? Apparantly the molds can hold up to 150 now :wink2:

Not to get into this but Rick has commented in the past that they usually can get 92 to 116 or something like that. You will notice that they did a lot of Shermans which at the end of the day have the same "hull". I would imagine that the T34 is similar and since they did 2 versions, they may have gotten enough "hulls" to do this one in 150. I wouldn't read into this too much as from what I understand, they still use and will continue to use the same process.

TD

 

[Vezzolf]

I find it quite interesting that in many past discussions concerning Figarti tanks, they were made with a total
Production run of 100 with the reasons given ranging from Rick Wang's own concept that 100 was the number
That they wanted to stay with to the molds giving out at anything attempted beyond that.
Now we have the newest T-34 made with 150 total production made. Did Figarti realise that collector demand
Proved that 100 pieces made was in fact too low a number. ??? Apparantly the molds can hold up to 150 now :wink2:

Whatever the reason...."Its good news"{bravo}}{bravo}}....as this will eliminate panic buying and allow collectors to get one before they are SOLD OUT:salute::

 

[Blowtorch]

Whatever the reason...."Its good news"{bravo}}{bravo}}....as this will eliminate panic buying and allow collectors to get one before they are SOLD OUT:salute::

Frank, as long as a manufacturer has corrupt dealers in the distribution network, whether a large or small number, there will always be panic buying, and the panic buying will keep newbies out of the hobby. period. Or at least out of Figarti.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Whatever the reason...."Its good news"{bravo}}{bravo}}....as this will eliminate panic buying and allow collectors to get one before they are SOLD OUT:salute::

Whether you believe me or not I agree with the fact that a new release should not simply disappear during the initial
Pre order process with the low number of 100 as seen in the past. It seems to me 150 gives people enough time
To get something even if they missed out on the pre order. Doing 150 is a much more reasonable number.

 

[OzDigger]

Whether you believe me or not I agree with the fact that a new release should not simply disappear during the initial
Pre order process with the low number of 100 as seen in the past. It seems to me 150 gives people enough time
To get something even if they missed out on the pre order. Doing 150 is a much more reasonable number.

Low production numbers was the main reason I stopped collecting Figarti, I was never convinced of their "damaged molds" excuse for the low 100 limit, molds can be duplicated.

 

[Firebat]

Low production numbers was the main reason I stopped collecting Figarti, I was never convinced of their "damaged molds" excuse for the low 100 limit, molds can be duplicated.

Hey Oz how come we are on opposite sides of the fence as of late, we used to be on the same page back in the day.

I love low production numbers, you are buying somethng unique, only 99 other people in the world have one. I am not really a collector mostly a modeler, but to have something that unique I think is very cool.

Fantastic....Kudos to the Figarti Team. Alex

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Low production numbers was the main reason I stopped collecting Figarti, I was never convinced of their "damaged molds" excuse for the low 100 limit, molds can be duplicated.[/QUOT

100 pieces was the magic number that the molds could handle before. So what made the molds now hold up for a 50% increase. ^&confuse. Was it there all along but not tapped into. ? As I already mentioned 150 is still a low
Number while being more a collector friendly number..........of course. IMO. ^&grin

 

[OzDigger]

Hey Oz how come we are on opposite sides of the fence as of late, we used to be on the same page back in the day.

I love low production numbers, you are buying somethng unique, only 99 other people in the world have one. I am not really a collector mostly a modeler, but to have something that unique I think is very cool.

Fantastic....Kudos to the Figarti Team. Alex

Alex, I have never been in favor of low production numbers to create artificial rarity, but I also don't like to see an overproduction.

 

[Firebat]

Alex, I have never been in favor of low production numbers to create artificial rarity, but I also don't like to see an overproduction.

OZ....This topic is not really important........... but is Figarti's production number artificial. It is the numbert they decide to produced for whatever reason. It could be 150, 200, 250, but it is 100.

I am associated with a WWII museum and they have some rare real WWII vehicles where only a dozen or so were produced, yet others were produced in the thousands.

Wine, exotic cars, coins, stamps. What is produced, is what is produced.



As I said I don't dwell on this, but I do like it. Alex

 

[Vezzolf]

Frank, as long as a manufacturer has corrupt dealers in the distribution network, whether a large or small number, there will always be panic buying, and the panic buying will keep newbies out of the hobby. period. Or at least out of Figarti.

Totally Agree....I am definitely in favor of higher production numbers especially for iconic items like WWII Tiger Tanks and Stukas. I have always been in favor of higher production numbers for Figarti at about 150 items per release which would result in more sales$$$ for Figarti and fewer dollars for speculators....Higher production numbers would keep the speculators out and prevent them from price gouging collectors in the secondary markets which ruins this hobby...... I do not care wether or not an item is "rare":rolleyes2: since most collectors do not purchase for re-sale or to make a profit off other collectors to fund future purchases.....I don't feel the need to own something that some-one doesn't or can't have....PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK.... These are Toys.....NOT INVESTMENTS.

 

[Firebat]

Totally Agree....I am definitely in favor of higher production numbers especially for iconic items like WWII Tiger Tanks and Stukas. I have always been in favor of higher production numbers for Figarti at about 150 items per release which would result in more sales$$$ for Figarti and fewer dollars for speculators....Higher production numbers would keep the speculators out and prevent them from price gouging collectors in the secondary markets which ruins this hobby...... I do not care wether or not an item is "rare":rolleyes2: since most collectors do not purchase for re-sale or to make a profit off other collectors to fund future purchases.....I don't feel the need to own something that some-one doesn't or can't have....PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK.... These are Toys.....NOT INVESTMENTS.

I do ageree with what you stated above and if 150 would make everyone happy that would be fine with me. Still 150 would is pretty rare.

Dont get me wrong I am NOT a collector. I paint them weather them destroy and modify them, so I dont care about the collecting. But it is nice to have something that there are not hundreds of.

BUT.................

NO they are not and shouldn't be investments that produce all of the bad stuff you mentioned......... but I don't think they are toys either. Alex

 

[The Military Workshop]

Totally Agree....I am definitely in favor of higher production numbers especially for iconic items like WWII Tiger Tanks and Stukas. I have always been in favor of higher production numbers for Figarti at about 150 items per release which would result in more sales$$$ for Figarti and fewer dollars for speculators....Higher production numbers would keep the speculators out and prevent them from price gouging collectors in the secondary markets which ruins this hobby...... I do not care wether or not an item is "rare":rolleyes2: since most collectors do not purchase for re-sale or to make a profit off other collectors to fund future purchases.....I don't feel the need to own something that some-one doesn't or can't have....PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK.... These are Toys.....NOT INVESTMENTS.

I will amaze you and agree with what you have said above especially in view of what happened with the Figarti Stukas and Tigers.

 

[Vezzolf]

WOW.......I just spilled my coffee......Indeed Amazing....We agree on something^&grin

 

[tdubel]

I find this whole phenomenon amazing. I think Rick has come on here countless times to explain the zinc mold process. YET, here we go, the same drum keeps beating. Is there actually a question of Rick's honesty on this process in this thread? Now you know why NO manufacturers like to post on here, they can't win, no matter what they say, there will be a dig from somewhere. At the end of a day, it s a business for Figarti, so if there process can max out at 150 in some cases (in this one, I think my earlier explanation is closer than not), but they only want to make 118, then so be it, it is there business and if the model is good, 118 will sell. AND someone will make money on top of it somewhere along the line.

Personal notes, I am quite happy to buy items that are limited. Lots of reasons and here they are - unique, not everyone has it, rarity and YES, if I ever want to resell it, it sells much quicker. I am a collector and I change my mind, find something else, so I like to know that I can resell something. And furthermore it is MY money to do with what I want just like Alex can destroy his model, etc.

Point again is this constant belly aching over the production numbers, resale market, what have you. It borders on ridiculous, at the end of the day, everyone has a right to do what they want and people should worry about themselves. Collectibles markets regardless of product are all the same, I collect stamps, I have parlayed purchases in that market at my risk and find nothing wrong with it. Toy Soldiers are not the first toy to ever be collected. People have the right to do what they want with their money and toys. I have always said, just be honest about who you are and what you do, if someone still has a problem with it, then it is their problem. At the end of the day, if I want to buy/sell an item, I don't really care what someone else thinks.

Again, I have said this in the past, but he beat goes on............................

 

[The Military Workshop]

WOW.......I just spilled my coffee......Indeed Amazing....We agree on something^&grin

Hope it was hot coffee {sm4}

 

[tdubel]

Frank, as long as a manufacturer has corrupt dealers in the distribution network, whether a large or small number, there will always be panic buying, and the panic buying will keep newbies out of the hobby. period. Or at least out of Figarti.

Do we actually think there are corrupt dealers over this? This product is distributed in the US by one dealer who has to spread it out to a good number of dealers. How much corruption can we have. In the earlier hoopla, they are also sold by a mail order catalog - large mail order house - not much room for corruption there.

TD

 

[The Military Workshop]

Tom,
Good comment :
"just be honest about who you are and what you do".
Brett

 

[Vezzolf]

Hope it was hot coffee {sm4}

Good one...I know your only serious:wink2:

 

[thebritfarmer]

This is starting to head down the road of being a personal vendetta, I suggest it stops here....right now.