1/30 Scale Vehicles (1 Viewer)

[Phantom Warrior]

No offense intended, but why is this scale issue constantly a barrier for collectors?

As Matt has stated time and time again and Rob has said, these figures are designed to stand on their own and are designed as a collection within a collection. They are suited and designed for The Battle of Stalingrad and will make a superb, off the charts display OF THAT PARTICULAR BATTLE.

They are usable in other displays I am sure, but are mainly designed for Stalingrad, hence they are marketed as such.

They are also true 1/30th scale.

They are painted totally differently than anything else out there, so even if they were the same heightwise, they would not look good displayed with other figures of the same height.

Do collectors display Aeroart figures with Britains? Do they display King and Country tanks with Forces of Valor tanks? Do they display Honour Bound figures with Figarti figures?

No, no and no.

Does any of this make sense or am I out in left field on this?

I sometimes do mix figures from different manufacturers and often mix AFVs from different manufacturers and so do other collectors who have said as much on this Forum. Panda1gen's diorama series on the Bulge mixes pieces from a number of manufactureres. The relative size is more important to me than the paint job so I avoid mixing 1/32 with 1/30, especially if the AFVs are the same type of vehicle. My eye has a difficult time accepting 2 tigers that are clearly different sizes but can accept different paint/camo as there was a wide variation in the field.

I think the Stalingrad figures and Stug are superb. I especially like the German Pionner and demolition sets. My point isn't the quality, which is excellent, or the price, which is a little higher but good value for the quality. It is the commitment. It would be difficult for me to afford the large number of these pieces I would need to make a display. And if the FL pieces really do not go well with other pieces I have because of size, would I be happy with just a few key FL sets that I fall in love with? I am already half in love with the Stug.

But these are questions I cannot answer until I actually see them and know how much the pieces I really want will cost.

Terry

 

[39E]

I agree with Terry.

The quality of my Honour Bound Gold Edition Tiger far exceeded the other manufactures, however, It was more appealing (and able to justify the cost) to display the vehicle in a diorama along with my K&C, Collectors Showcase and Figarti pieces.

Don't get me wrong here....The incredible price to quality of First Legions products was the reason I started collecting Napoleonics (and will continue to). As I am also a collector of AeroArt St. Petersburg Romans and my collecting habits are very different when compared to WWII (which is my core collection). IMO it is a plus, and even with the sometimes subtle differences, to mix manufactures in the same scale. As we all know every manufacturer is not going to listen to us and build every vehicle we want....but with 3-4 manufacturers building different vehicles.......a lot of us are able to temporarily fulfill those collector cravings.

 

[FirstLegion]

Let's hope so. However that makes me wonder why the overall height of your WWII figures is only 60mm as indicated on your website.

Sigh...it's because 1/30th scale = 60mm tall. 6 feet tall x 12 inches per foot = 72 inches height of a man. 72 inches divided by 30 (i.e. 1/30th) = 2.4 inches tall. 2.4 inches x 25mm (number of mm in an inch) = 60mm.

Perceptions such as yours are what happens when companies play so fast and loose with the scale making big figures and small vehicles and calling it all 1/30th.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I agree with Terry.

The quality of my Honour Bound Gold Edition Tiger far exceeded the other manufactures, however, It was more appealing (and able to justify the cost) to display the vehicle in a diorama along with my K&C, Collectors Showcase and Figarti pieces.

Don't get me wrong here....The incredible price to quality of First Legions products was the reason I started collecting Napoleonics (and will continue to). As I am also a collector of AeroArt St. Petersburg Romans and my collecting habits are very different when compared to WWII (which is my core collection). IMO it is a plus, and even with the sometimes subtle differences, to mix manufactures in the same scale. As we all know every manufacturer is not going to listen to us and build every vehicle we want....but with 3-4 manufacturers building different vehicles.......a lot of us are able to temporarily fulfill those collector cravings.

Infilling niches with another manufacturer's product is exactly what I do. K&C made a Priest and a Lee tank several years ago - they were key pieces of US armour that I do not have. K&C my not make a Priest again but someone else may, as Figarti did with the Lee/Grant tanks. Or they might make a different Ausf or version that fits with a different campaign like the CS 251 Ausf C and the K&C 251 Ausf D.

Terry

 

[kogu]

Hi Matt,
these are some splendid looking figures.
Outstanding sculpting and animation.
Can't wait to see these painted.
Really good stuff! Congratulations!
Konrad

 

[Louis Badolato]

The tank riders do look great . . .

 

[OzDigger]

Sigh...it's because 1/30th scale = 60mm tall. 6 feet tall x 12 inches per foot = 72 inches height of a man. 72 inches divided by 30 (i.e. 1/30th) = 2.4 inches tall. 2.4 inches x 25mm (number of mm in an inch) = 60mm.

Perceptions such as yours are what happens when companies play so fast and loose with the scale making big figures and small vehicles and calling it all 1/30th.

Clearly you didn't do your homework It's a fact that the average six foot person (1800mm) in 1/30 scale would be 60mm high. However, 60mm is only from the soles of his feet to the top of his bare head. When you add a base and a helmet/hat/cap that adds several more inches to the height of the 'average' person. Which means the overall height of a 1/30 scale figure is close to 70mm - the same height as K & C, Figarti and Honour Bound figures.

Consequently your figures are actually 1/32 scale at best - so please stop trying to tell us any different.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Clearly you didn't do your homework It's a fact that the average six foot person (1800mm) in 1/30 scale would be 60mm high. However, 60mm is only from the soles of his feet to the top of his bare head. When you add a base and a helmet/hat/cap that adds several more inches to the height of the 'average' person. Which means the overall height of a 1/30 scale figure is close to 70mm - the same height as K & C, Figarti and Honour Bound figures.

Consequently your figures are actually 1/32 scale at best - so please stop trying to tell us any different.

I am confused as to where that notion about the base comes from? I found no examples of anyone including the base in measuring scale when looking into the scale issue for my earlier reasons (unrelated to this line). It is either sole to head or sometime sole to eyes. I went through all this before in my what scale is anything really thread. Of course as I have noted scale is fairly useless as it applies to figures since actual height is a variable. Home work is always a good thing though.

 

[kogu]

Sigh...it's because 1/30th scale = 60mm tall. 6 feet tall x 12 inches per foot = 72 inches height of a man. 72 inches divided by 30 (i.e. 1/30th) = 2.4 inches tall. 2.4 inches x 25mm (number of mm in an inch) = 60mm.
Perceptions such as yours are what happens when companies play so fast and loose with the scale making big figures and small vehicles and calling it all 1/30th.

Yep, sure sounds like 1/30 to me
Never thought it was that easy
Thanks!

 

[OzDigger]

I am confused as to where that notion about the base comes from? I found no examples of anyone including the base in measuring scale when looking into the scale issue for my earlier reasons (unrelated to this line). It is either sole to head or sometime sole to eyes. I went through all this before in my what scale is anything really thread. Of course as I have noted scale is fairly useless as it applies to figures since actual height is a variable. Home work is always a good thing though.

Some include the base and some don't. However actual measurements in millimetres is academic as the only thing the average collector is concerned about is the height of the figures in their collection and how they look compared to each other and any vehicles. The comments about Figarti's recent midget Fuel Tanker guy are a good example of the attention most collectors pay to such differences.

Here's a photo from First Legions website demonstrating the overall height differences I am referring to. It's obvious their new WWII figures are smaller than the K & C figure with binoculars and even First Legion's Napoleonic figures

At an overall height of 60mm, as indicated by the tape measure, I feel they will be too small for most 1/30 scale collectors.

 

[Warrior]

Clearly you didn't do your homework It's a fact that the average six foot person (1800mm) in 1/30 scale would be 60mm high. However, 60mm is only from the soles of his feet to the top of his bare head. When you add a base and a helmet/hat/cap that adds several more inches to the height of the 'average' person. Which means the overall height of a 1/30 scale figure is close to 70mm - the same height as K & C, Figarti and Honour Bound figures.

Consequently your figures are actually 1/32 scale at best - so please stop trying to tell us any different.

Yeah Matt, you clearly didn't do your homework; stop showing us your figures standing in front of a ruler that shows they are 60mm tall where clearly as Oz states the figures are 54mm tall, ie, 1/32nd scale. Rulers don't lie afterall.

Must be a trick ruler you're using.......

Honest to God, this is the clear definition of an excersize in futility.

 

[kogu]

Must be a trick ruler you're using.......

I love this one,

 

[OzDigger]

I suggest some members had better re-read this post again, it's not Rocket Science you know.

Clearly you didn't do your homework It's a fact that the average six foot person (1800mm) in 1/30 scale would be 60mm high. However, 60mm is only from the soles of his feet to the top of his bare head. When you add a base and a helmet/hat/cap that adds several more inches to the height of the 'average' person. Which means the overall height of a 1/30 scale figure is close to 70mm - the same height as K & C, Figarti and Honour Bound figures.

Consequently your figures are actually 1/32 scale at best - so please stop trying to tell us any different.

 

[kogu]

I suggest some members had better re-read this post again, it's not Rocket Science you know.

Absolutely, and neither is a ruler or the "academic" value of a measured 60mm

 

[OzDigger]

Absolutely, and neither is a ruler or the "academic" value of a measured 60mm

That's provided the 60mm is from the soles of the feet to the bare head and NOT the overall height of the figure as I have clearly demonstrated below - at least to some of us

 

[kogu]

Yeah,
to some of us ...
and to some others ...

 

[thebritfarmer]

I suggest some members had better re-read this post again, it's not Rocket Science you know.

I agree with OZ, they don't look 60mm to me either. I just measured my WB Bromhead figure and he is 67mm from the base to the top of his hat. The figure itself is about 58mm (which is what he is supposed to be).

 

[Warrior]

It's funny because I measured about 50 of my 20mm figures tonight and guess what; they are all 20mm, which is what they are advertised as.

Funny how that works; the manufacturer says they are 20mm and what do you know, they actually are.

Amazing, you learn something new everyday.

I guess if Matt says they are 60mm and in fact they are not, then they won't sell, First Legion will go out of business, Matt will move back to the United States and come work for Minutemen Toy Soldiers.

His job will be to measure all of my stock and report back to me what his findings are (which will be wrong due to his trick ruler), I will be found out to be missrepresenting all of the figures I sell, I'll go out of business and have to go work for the local ruler making company in quality control to make sure all rulers are up to code.

 

[thebritfarmer]

Why does there have to be so much sarcasm over a simple question?

Matt's' figures including the base and the head gear are shown as 60mm. The figure itself therefore cannot be 60mm tall that is all we are saying.

 

[jazzeum]

With all due respect to those who think scale is important, I just can't go crazy over this. If I like the figures, and I do like the FL figures, I'll buy them and that may include the Stug (have to see). So they don't go with K & C? So what? As Matt has said, scale is irrelevant because the painting style is so different.

As an example, I'm not a big collector of Napoleonics but I have about 30 of those figures. They're Little Legion, Beau Geste, King & Country glossy and one FL. Now, that's a pretty disparate group of soldiers, glossy and matte and different sizes. And you know what, the scale doesn't matter to me. I just like 'em and they're all together.

Today, I found a Figarti show figure from last year. I had forgotten about him because his finger was broken and I put him with my other K & C snow troops, which include some from WS 12 and WS 13, plus the new BBGs. And he look just fine. Perfect match, no, but otherwise fine.

I'm speaking as a collector here, not a moderator, and if I've ticked off a lot of people, my apologies in advance