a dreaded scale question (1 Viewer)

[armchair warrior]

Here is an old thread that actually researched WWII figure scales. http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/fo...cale-Reference-Pictures/page9&highlight=scale

We found that the FL figures were 1/30 and the K&C (and TGM) figures are 1/28. Some of the FL series like the Crusades and Renaissance are much larger than the WWII figures - about the size of K&C figures.

Terryy

Phantom Warrior,

Thank you for posting this link. THAT PHOTO ESSAY SAYS IT ALL. Guys, do not get carried away with height being the sole determinant of scale. Even though those FL figures are the closest to 2.4 in.(1/30 as 2.4/72in. or 6 ft.) they are also less bulky. The fact that their is a hatch right above the place where all the different figures are placed in the different photos is significant. Look at the FL figures. Their hips and shoulders are narrower. You can picture tham fitting down the hatch. The other companies figures look too big to fit. At least to my eyes.

Armchair Warrior

 

[OzDigger]

Phantom Warrior,

Thank you for posting this link. THAT PHOTO ESSAY SAYS IT ALL. Guys, do not get carried away with height being the sole determinant of scale. Even though those FL figures are the closest to 2.4 in.(1/30 as 2.4/72in. or 6 ft.) they are also less bulky. The fact that their is a hatch right above the place where all the different figures are placed in the different photos is significant. Look at the FL figures. Their hips and shoulders are narrower. You can picture tham fitting down the hatch. The other companies figures look too big to fit. At least to my eyes.

Armchair Warrior

What are getting at mate, the K & C tanks crews always fit into the various turret and driver positions recessed for those figures and don't look too big to me.

 

[kogu]

Anybody feels like taking a wild guess who's going to have the last word on "scale"? :rolleyes2: ^&grin
Konrad

 

[OzDigger]

I don't think you are asking the right question. In all these threads on scale, and I have participated in a couple, everyone seems to like the size of the figures. There really doesn't seem to be much interest I think in TG, KC, CS making the figures smaller. The difference in opinion that I have seen is between those like yourself who prefer the exact 1/30th for AFVs and those like myself who want the AFVs to get larger to 1/28th to match the figures. Most seem to be happy with the size of the figures as is.

Just my opinion.

This is also my opinion, and I believe we got off track debating whose figures are actually 1/30 scale, not for the first time as usual.

To get back to the thread, I think that the TGM vehicles are too small for their figures and to me the best solution is for TGM to increase the size of their vehicles rather than reduce the size of their figures. No doubt some will disagree for a variety of reasons, maybe we need a poll {sm3}

 

[armchair warrior]

What are getting at mate, the K & C tanks crews always fit into the various turret and driver positions recessed for those figures and don't look too big to me.

OZ DIGGER

In one of my earlier post in this thread I brought up the tank crew figures. They were always a bit smaller than standing infantry figures. I know most have been just half figures but the heads and shoulders are smaller. Trust me that I get no joy out of bringing this issue up. I have been a collector for a decade now and I really do not care if the vehicles get bigger or the figures get smaller I just want them to match up. Do you really think those US Airborne DD046 could fit in that TGM Hetzer or some older smaller K&C vehicles? Maybe I am wrong. I would love to know that all my figures and vehicles match up.I would sleep better,that and a smaller prostate.

Armchair Warrior

 

[OzDigger]

OZ DIGGER

In one of my earlier post in this thread I brought up the tank crew figures. They were always a bit smaller than standing infantry figures. I know most have been just half figures but the heads and shoulders are smaller. Trust me that I get no joy out of bringing this issue up. I have been a collector for a decade now and I really do not care if the vehicles get bigger or the figures get smaller I just want them to match up. Do you really think those US Airborne DD046 could fit in that TGM Hetzer or some older smaller K&C vehicles? Maybe I am wrong. I would love to know that all my figures and vehicles match up.I would sleep better,that and a smaller prostate.

Armchair Warrior

LOL - I feel your pain mate, we are just the meat in the TS sandwich {sm2} All manufacturers have some size variations in their figures which is more apparent in their tank crews and riders because most don't have bases and are sometimes made smaller to fit into crew compartments. That is the way it is and I can't see it changing, especially with the longer established manufacturers. TGM are relatively new to the industry and I had high hopes for their tanks and vehicles and was surprised to see how small their tanks and vehicles were when they appeared on the market. I know what I would do if I controlled the company, but I don't.

 

[bradleyl30]

As I have been reading this, I have been thinking of how to solve it.

My assumption is that much of the problem will be solved by technology. As FL has shown, without gigantic figures you can start getting more and more detail. As TGM, Figarti and K&C optimize (can you tell I am an MBA?) their painting processes they should be able to get better detail on the figures without them needing to be so large.

A couple options could be:

1. slowly phasing in the change. With each new release, soldiers and vehicles get a little closer. The slow progression should be less noticeable and less traumatic for folks.
2. Creating "new" lines not intended to be mixed. So, K&C and TGM could start releasing Ost Front lines or other figures based on other topics and call them the "Historical" or "Elite" lines that indicate they are slightly different.
3. Especially for TGM and Figarti, it appears that FL offers them the ability to piggy-back onto additional lines or topics that FL is pursuing (actually my favorite thing about TGM and FL is that they focus on areas of WWII that K&C has ignored like the Eastern Front.)

I think like many things, that the main obstacle is inertia. CS "big bang" change didn't seem to work, but that sounds more like a change management issue than an actual obstacle. Just my supposed two cents.

 

[Mitch]

I would just add that I don't think that FL has conjoured up some new way of re-making the wheel by doing smaller figures than others and somehow showing the hobby that it can be done?? No innovation or ground breaking achievements just adding to the hobby in their way. I think we should also note that FL wanted to be something different from the start and, made it their ethos to be that. If what they offered was so neccessary or needed in the hobby I think we would have seen a massive change in the hobby but, we have not. They like other firms have slotted into the hobby

Look at all the 1/35th scale stuff and smaller out and the detail on them. It is nothing to do with larger figures being easier to paint in fact, I think from experience that the larger the figure the harder it becomes. Its simply the fact that the majority of collectors seem to prefer the larger figures always have always probably will. Thats why they are done and, thats why the fact that nobody has changed them and, new manufacturers like TG may do them at the size they do.

Its forgotten sometimes that this forum is still a very minute, vocal, but minute part of the hobby and just because a few seem to think the way forward is smaller figures and so- called compatability across ranges that it should happen. It could be that fifty people may say it should be but, 50,000 may say silently with their money a different story.
Mitch