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[ccdc11]

This forum does not allow me to respond to the post with the two words I need to use.

Again to all the Australians I hope you and all your family are safe and I hope Australia recovers as quickly as possible.
Chuck

 

[The Military Workshop]

Silly me thought Tanks first post was him posting as a Kiwi but looks like he is back as a representative of Russian propaganda.

 

[tank]

Maybe you should donate to people who are really helping rather than turning a tragedy into Mr. Chekhov's History lesson. Have a heart, it's good for you!

Don’t want to argue with anyone but don’t you remember that to the date 24 people have died nationwide, and in the state of New South Wales alone, more than 1,300 houses have been destroyed

Can a donation distinguish the fire?

To deal with the fire like that something more substantial need than those puny fire trucks.
Don’t you agree.




What is stopping the Australian Goverment to ask for help if they can’t cope with the fires by themself?

In case you didn’t read my previos post please read this:

IL-76 two large water tanks are capable of being filled in 10 to 12 minutes and can be dumped in a single burst, producing a downpour akin to heavy rain over an area 550 metres long by 100 metres wide. If the tanks are emptied sequentially, the saturated area extends to 900 metres by 65 metres.

How many fire trucks would need to do the same area?

 

[paxtoysoldier]

Don’t want to argue with anyone but don’t you remember that to the date 24 people have died nationwide, and in the state of New South Wales alone, more than 1,300 houses have been destroyed

Can a donation distinguish the fire?

To deal with the fire like that something more substantial need than those puny fire trucks.
Don’t you agree.




What is stopping the Australian Goverment to ask for help if they can’t cope with the fires by themself?

In case you didn’t read my previos post please read this:

IL-76 two large water tanks are capable of being filled in 10 to 12 minutes and can be dumped in a single burst, producing a downpour akin to heavy rain over an area 550 metres long by 100 metres wide. If the tanks are emptied sequentially, the saturated area extends to 900 metres by 65 metres.

How many fire trucks would need to do the same area?

Ever see The Big Lebowski? You're not wrong, (maybe) your just... Any way, ignored.
God Bless those in danger and those that have already been hurt. Animals too

 

[tank]

Silly me thought Tanks first post was him posting as a Kiwi but looks like he is back as a representative of Russian propaganda.

Look man I have a few close friends in Sydney and Melbourne so please don’t say that nonsense about propaganda.

It is really painful to watch that for nearly 4 months the Government does nothing to deal with the fires.

Video of angry firefighter unleashing on Prime Minister Scott Morrison

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/worl...prime-minister-scott-morrison-goes-viral.html

 

[The Military Workshop]

Look man I have a few close friends in Sydney and Melbourne so please don’t say that nonsense about propaganda.

It is really painful to watch that for nearly 4 months the Government does nothing to deal with the fires.

Video of angry firefighter unleashing on Prime Minister Scott Morrison

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/worl...prime-minister-scott-morrison-goes-viral.html

Dont confuse NZ with Australia.

Firefighting is a state responsability, not federal. NZ has no states so everything comes under PM control. There is no Federal fire department in Australia and Federal Government has no control over fire management in forests etc.

I guess you should tell the volunteer firefighters, working under State control, they have done nothing for past 4 months.

Now grateful if you could go back under your rock.

 

[tank]

Dont confuse NZ with Australia.

Firefighting is a state responsability, not federal. NZ has no states so everything comes under PM control. There is no Federal fire department in Australia and Federal Government has no control over fire management in forests etc.

I guess you should tell the volunteer firefighters, working under State control, they have done nothing for past 4 months.

Now grateful if you could go back under your rock.

There’s no needs to be rude.

Those firefighters are the real men. But sometimes they are not comming back to them family from them work.

There’s something's seriously wrong if it happened.

The volunteer firefighter from the New South Wales Rural Fire Service died when a truck rolled near Jingellic, about 70km east of Albury, on the border with Victoria. The RFS said two trucks, including the one in which the firefighter died, had been overturned by high winds. Two others suffered burns in the crash.

The firefighters losses can never be forgotten.
They are the real heroes of Australa.


Don’t think anyone of the firefighters would be against an equipment like the amphibian BE-200.

The amphibian Beriev BE-200 can scoop 9000 litres of water from the sea - even with waves of up to 1.5 metres running

Hope this time you can see my point.

 

[OzDigger]

The various State Rural Firefighting organizations already have a number of firefighting aircraft, including some more capable than the Russian aircraft you mentioned.

The unfortunate fact is that aerial fire bombardment is ineffective against fires with intensities above 3,000 Kilowatts per Metre. Most of these fires are many times that intensity, the larger fires being approx 100,000 Kilowatts per Metre. The firebombers do look impressive when seen on television etc, however they are virtually useless against the larger fires experienced in Australia.

Fuel reduction is the best way of reducing fire intensity, hopefully this method will be applied again on a wider basis in the future.

There’s no needs to be rude.

Those firefighters are the real men. But sometimes they are not comming back to them family from them work.

There’s something's seriously wrong if it happened.

The volunteer firefighter from the New South Wales Rural Fire Service died when a truck rolled near Jingellic, about 70km east of Albury, on the border with Victoria. The RFS said two trucks, including the one in which the firefighter died, had been overturned by high winds. Two others suffered burns in the crash.

The firefighters losses can never be forgotten.
They are the real heroes of Australa.


Don’t think anyone of the firefighters would be against an equipment like the amphibian BE-200.

The amphibian Beriev BE-200 can scoop 9000 litres of water from the sea - even with waves of up to 1.5 metres running

Hope this time you can see my point.

 

[Rusty]

The various State Rural Firefighting organizations already have a number of firefighting aircraft, including some more capable than the Russian aircraft you mentioned.

The unfortunate fact is that aerial fire bombardment is ineffective against fires with intensities above 3,000 Kilowatts per Metre. Most of these fires are many times that intensity, the larger fires being approx 100,000 Kilowatts per Metre. The firebombers do look impressive when seen on television etc, however they are virtually useless against the larger fires experienced in Australia.

Fuel reduction is the best way of reducing fire intensity, hopefully this method will be applied again on a wider basis in the future.

Good explanation. Thank you.

 

[The Military Workshop]

There’s no needs to be rude.


Don’t think anyone of the firefighters would be against an equipment like the amphibian BE-200.

The amphibian Beriev BE-200 can scoop 9000 litres of water from the sea - even with waves of up to 1.5 metres running

Hope this time you can see my point.

Yes you are right I should not be rude and I apologise.

It is therefore lucky I did not post about you being a liar as I do not think it is not possible that you would actually have friends. Please note by friends I dont mean Russian sleeper agents or Pravda staff.

Now how about you stop bringing Russia into a thread about a tragedy in Australia. We are really not interested.

 

[Terp152]

Just saw a report of 500,000 animals perished. Hard to comprehend. Chris

There's a typo, unfortunately, in my post. The death toll estimate is actually 500,000,000. How tragic. Chris

 

[waynepoo]

 

[sapper]

Thanks Wayne for making Forum members aware of the scope of the disaster. For those showing concern for our safety. We live in a very big country and most people live in coastal
cities and towns that have mostly escaped the fires. It has been the country and rural areas that have indured the worst conditions and it still continues. Vast areas of bush have been burnt out, people have lost their lives and properties. The native animal and livestock population has taken a devastating blow and some of Australia's s unique and endangered species may never recover. We need to change our practices because Australia is a country that experiences fire, flooding and drought regularly and it seems to be only getting worse. Regards Greg.

 

[kogu]

My sister lives in the woods, near Midginbil, NSW, close to Mt. Warning National Park.
As far as I know, they are not harmed yet. They have/had visuals of smoke in the distance.
On Dec 29th, I received an email that they got the best Christmas present ever, and that was rain!
Rain to an effect, that the visuals of smoke disappeared.
Didn’t hear from her since then, but am hoping that they are still doing alright.
They prepared for a sudden leave, but I think that if you already had a visual, that one might have to be up for firewatch/alarms 24 hours.
With changing winds/temperatures, fires of the dimensions we are looking at currently in Australia can expand real fast and with great distances in short times.
What an unbelievable scale of catastrophe.
My best wishes to all who are at risk.

Konrad

 

[sapper]

The Mt. Warning area is a more greener place close to the coast and rainforest nearby. A nice place to live Konrad and the fact you said about happy to see the the rain shows how dryer the climate has become lately in Australia. Don't get me wrong we still have our tropical areas that still get a lot of rain and we have our highland areas that get snow but there
seems to be greater extremes of climate,more cyclones,floods, fires and drought. Australians are a tough nation though and I hope we can take our heads out of the sand and start to do things different for the better. Regards Greg.

 

[tank]

The various State Rural Firefighting organizations already have a number of firefighting aircraft, including some more capable than the Russian aircraft you mentioned.

The unfortunate fact is that aerial fire bombardment is ineffective against fires with intensities above 3,000 Kilowatts per Metre. Most of these fires are many times that intensity, the larger fires being approx 100,000 Kilowatts per Metre. The firebombers do look impressive when seen on television etc, however they are virtually useless against the larger fires experienced in Australia.

Fuel reduction is the best way of reducing fire intensity, hopefully this method will be applied again on a wider basis in the future.

What a profesional approach you have in this post... Impressive!

Now, what would you say to this:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-15/are-bigger-water-bombers-the-answer-to-bushfire-woes/11705502



Experts are warning that fire services do not have enough large aircraft to deal with the unprecedented magnitude of fires we are now faced with.
Former NSW Deputy Fire and Rescue commissioner Ken Thompson said Australia needed to invest in more large aircraft that are available year-round.
"We've got real concerns about the impact that climate change is having on fire behaviour and we've got very serious concerns about the small numbers of large aircraft that are available to support firefighters and local communities," he said.

"What we really need is the large, high-volume water bombers that can deliver really large amounts of water very quickly to serious fires."
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Mr Thompson said heading into catastrophic fire conditions small aircraft simply could not cover the same amount of ground.

"At the moment, the smaller aircraft can only carry around 1,500 to 2,000 litres. These [larger] aircraft can carry up around 15,000 litres," he said.
"This is an important enough issue that the Prime Minister needs to become involved," Mr Thompson said.
"But we just haven't been getting the response that we would have hoped for from him."


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Paul
What a disaster we have at the moment. PM obviously caught out lying on national TV last night regarding the imminent arrival of large aircraft from overseas.
Cant understand why we have never set up a reserve unit of commercial pilots and RAAF to utilise old Qantas planes converted to water bombers. 6 old 767 converted flying retardant in would make a massive difference. When you see the lives lost and total destruction cost has nothing to do with it, its a must for a country like ours.

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Geoffrey
A Liberal Government, will never spend money on anything to do with Climate change, that includes fire fighting, they have been dragged kicking and screaming to do what little they have done, why, because their mates at the big end of town, cannot make a profit out of fire fighting. There is a ‘professional’ fire fighting unit in the ADF, sitting on their bums because the government say no, we may need you in an emergency. The first aviation organisation, that converts many large aircraft, like one 747 has been, will have a year round business thrown at them, except… Read more »

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Gerry S

The best firefighting a/c out there is Russia's Beriev Be-200. This large twin-jet powered amphibian is a superb water blaster. They are available for rent. Australia should purchase a few. They are outstanding. Would be nice if SF educated its readers about this remarkable airplane.

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Firefighting aircraft 'in mothballs' overseas while country burns


Bushfire experts have questioned why Australian governments have not used powerful firefighting aircraft sitting dormant overseas to battle the blazes ravaging NSW and other states.​

https://www.smh.com.au/national/firefighting-aircraft-in-mothballs-overseas-while-country-burns-20191228-p53naw.html


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Probably it would pay to learn the stuff better so next time you wouldn’t post a nonsense.

Cheers.

 

[tank]

The various State Rural Firefighting organizations already have a number of firefighting aircraft, including some more capable than the Russian aircraft you mentioned.

Fascinated!

Do you want to name that more capable than the BE-200 firefighting aircraft.
Would appreciate a prompt reply.

Thanks.



The Be-200 in amphibious water drop fire-fighter configuration suppresses fires by dropping water contained in eight ferric aluminium alloy water tanks, located under the cabin floor in the centre fuselage section. Four retractable water scoops, two forward and two aft of the fuselage step, can be used to scoop a total of 12 tonnes of water in 14 seconds.

It can operate from either a 1,800 m long runway or an area of open water not less than 2,300 m long and 2.5 m deep, with waves of up to 1.3 m high.[SUP][3]


Operational history


Two Be-200ES were again leased by Portugal from July 10 to September 30, 2007. During this period 58 fire-fighting flights were conducted with a total flying time of over 167 hours. 2,322 tones (2,560 tons) of water was dropped. Beriev claims that representatives of the newly formed Portuguese government enterprise EMA (Empresa de Meios Aéreos) have expressed their interest in a long-term cooperation with Beriev and the Be-200 in Portugal.[SUP][29]

Two Be-200ES also operated in Greece, RF-32768 fighting the 2007 forest fires for the whole season and RF-21512 from August 30 to September 13.[SUP][30]

In early December 2010, two Be-200ES aircraft were used to fight the 2010 Mount Carmel forest fire near Haifa, Israel.[SUP][33][/SUP][SUP][34]
In August 2016 two Be-200 aircraft were sent to Portugal after being asked for help in extinguishing forest fires.[SUP][37][/SUP] Four days later it was reported that thanks to the work of the Russian Emergencies Ministry Be-200 pilots, the fire was prevented from spreading in the direction of two settlements: Castro Laboreiro with a population of 1,000 people, and Viaden de Baixo, where 15 farms were saved from fire, and Peneda-Gerês National Park.[SUP][38]

[/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP][/SUP]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_Be-200[SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP][SUP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPtoMKSC5OY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soWPblRM-zw&feature=emb_logo


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[The Military Workshop]

I see one major problem with the Russian plane.

It is crewed by Russians.

Besides I thought the Russian speciality was shooting civilian planes out of the sky.

 

[tank]

I see one major problem with the Russian plane.

It is crewed by Russians.

Besides I thought the Russian speciality was shooting civilian planes out of the sky.

That amazing how some people are keeping to live in a fantasy world.
Wake up man. There’s no Cold War any more.

Best wishes to all Australians

 

[The Military Workshop]

That amazing how some people are keeping to live in a fantasy world.
Wake up man. There’s no Cold War any more.

Best wishes to all Australians[/

Strange how you mention fantasy world yet spend most of your posts here praising Russia which you left 20 years ago.