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George you hit the nail on the head. The problem with putting butts in seats is the extreme cost to take a family of six to a game now, I have to consider a second mortgage if I want to go to a game when I am in the states. I don't long for the good old days here but the cost is certainly prohibitive and makes me think twice before I plunk down a lot of green for 3 hours of entertainment...

Dave
 
George you hit the nail on the head. The problem with putting butts in seats is the extreme cost to take a family of six to a game now, I have to consider a second mortgage if I want to go to a game when I am in the states. I don't long for the good old days here but the cost is certainly prohibitive and makes me think twice before I plunk down a lot of green for 3 hours of entertainment...

Dave
This was the crux of the problem for me, when my family was young. It got to the point where we couldn't afford to go to see the O's. Our solution was the local minor league team which offered a family experience at the ball park for a LOT less money. Wasn't major league ball, but it was decent ball and the kids had a blast. MLB is so expensive that I became the kind of fan MLB hates, the stay-at-home type. I watch all the O's and Nats's games now, but from the comfort of my home. I don't have to fight traffic, find a place to park and pay for that, pay for tickets, food and drink, and then take my chances with possible drunken fans. All it costs me is the monthly cable bill, which includes my phone and internet, as well as all the other entertainment options. No contest. -- Al
 
Yankees have signed Tanaka. This will obviously make them a serious contender in the AL East.

Brad
 
Yankees have signed Tanaka. This will obviously make them a serious contender in the AL East.

Brad
Always suspected it was going to be pinstripes. 7 years, $155 million for an unproven at ML level ballplayer. And the beat goes on... -- Al
 
This was the crux of the problem for me, when my family was young. It got to the point where we couldn't afford to go to see the O's. Our solution was the local minor league team which offered a family experience at the ball park for a LOT less money. Wasn't major league ball, but it was decent ball and the kids had a blast. MLB is so expensive that I became the kind of fan MLB hates, the stay-at-home type. I watch all the O's and Nats's games now, but from the comfort of my home. I don't have to fight traffic, find a place to park and pay for that, pay for tickets, food and drink, and then take my chances with possible drunken fans. All it costs me is the monthly cable bill, which includes my phone and internet, as well as all the other entertainment options. No contest. -- Al
I must say last Summer on a East Coast vacation I took in a O's game with my niece and as great as it was to get out to Camden Yards and see the Os beat the Red Sox :).. Man I paid for it dearly, two tickets, food, beer, souvenirs, parking, which I covered all costs me well over 300 snappers for 1 game!!! :( again it was a blast but if I venture to another game I may have to sell a few soldiers :).. Just totally out of control on prices in every sense of the word...Sammy
 
I must say last Summer on a East Coast vacation I took in a O's game with my niece and as great as it was to get out to Camden Yards and see the Os beat the Red Sox :).. Man I paid for it dearly, two tickets, food, beer, souvenirs, parking, which I covered all costs me well over 300 snappers for 1 game!!! :( again it was a blast but if I venture to another game I may have to sell a few soldiers :).. Just totally out of control on prices in every sense of the word...Sammy
Sammy, it is a sad truth. I simply can't afford to go to MLB games. I find the local minor league team, the Frederick Keys (O's affiliate), to be a perfectly acceptable substitute and MUCH cheaper, in all respects. Not to mention that they are 20 minutes up the road from me, as opposed to over 65 to 70 minutes for either the O's or Nats. MLB is a cable tv experience for me now. -- Al
 
Yankees have signed Tanaka. This will obviously make them a serious contender in the AL East.

Brad

My wife got me a partial season ticket package for our anniversary, so I couldn't be happier they signed Tanaka.{sm4} Now we will at least be watching would should be a contender. I am much more comfortable with CC Sabathia as the #3 than as the purported #1.:wink2:
 
I know we bandy about who is the number 1 pitcher, number 2, etc. but does it really matter what we call them as long as they produce. I think the only time it really counts is opening day and maybe the playoffs. Otherwise, it seems it's a label without much meaning.

Brad
 
Hi Guys,

@Sammy, imagine what I deal with when I take all of the family! Last time I paid for 5 tixs to a Seattle Game with the food, parking I was well into the area of 500 clams so I don't go to many games with all the kids. We will have to see how it goes in the future once we get back to the states.

@Brad I agree about the pitching rotation. Still it will be interesting to see what Tanaka will produce in NYC. At this moment I am looking forward to seeing Spring Training but the season is long and there will always be a lot of drama in the AL East.

Dave
 
I know we bandy about who is the number 1 pitcher, number 2, etc. but does it really matter what we call them as long as they produce. I think the only time it really counts is opening day and maybe the playoffs. Otherwise, it seems it's a label without much meaning.

Brad

It matters whenever your #1 and the other team's ace matchup. Take a look at CC Sabathia's record against "aces" like Verlander or King Felix - its abysmal. He almost always has at least one bad inning per game, where he gives up multiple runs, so he almost always loses to the other team's ace. That is an enormous weakness in a short playoff series. An ace can be your starter in games 1, 4 and 7, potentially deciding 3/4 of the wins you need to advance.

This is the first time the Yankees may have a true ace since Roger Clemons in 2000, so for Yankees fans, its very exciting.

But Tanaka is just one of many "ifs" the Yankees need to turn into certainties to really contend. If Tanaka is a true ace, if Texeiera comes back healthy and productive, if Jeter can still be a productive short stop, if Ellsbury stays healthy, if Beltran has a productive year or two left, if Robertson can close, if Kuroda can be productive for a full season, if Nova can be consistent, if the second baseman we signed from Baltimore can be healthy and return to his levels of production from a 2-3 years ago . . . if all of these ifs are answered in the affirmative it should be a really good year:wink2:. If not . . . {eek3}
 
It matters whenever your #1 and the other team's ace matchup. Take a look at CC Sabathia's record against "aces" like Verlander or King Felix - its abysmal. He almost always has at least one bad inning per game, where he gives up multiple runs, so he almost always loses to the other team's ace. That is an enormous weakness in a short playoff series. An ace can be your starter in games 1, 4 and 7, potentially deciding 3/4 of the wins you need to advance.

This is the first time the Yankees may have a true ace since Roger Clemons in 2000, so for Yankees fans, its very exciting.

But Tanaka is just one of many "ifs" the Yankees need to turn into certainties to really contend. If Tanaka is a true ace, if Texeiera comes back healthy and productive, if Jeter can still be a productive short stop, if Ellsbury stays healthy, if Beltran has a productive year or two left, if Robertson can close, if Kuroda can be productive for a full season, if Nova can be consistent, if the second baseman we signed from Baltimore can be healthy and return to his levels of production from a 2-3 years ago . . . if all of these ifs are answered in the affirmative it should be a really good year:wink2:. If not . . . {eek3}
Louis, remember what Andy Defresne said in 'The Shawshank Redemption', "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things...". Brian Roberts is an excellent 2nd baseman and a good guy in the clubhouse. I hope he does well with NY. -- Al
 
Louis, remember what Andy Defresne said in 'The Shawshank Redemption', "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things...". Brian Roberts is an excellent 2nd baseman and a good guy in the clubhouse. I hope he does well with NY. -- Al

Al,

I'm hopeful, but I also know that pennants are not won in the offseason. Remember last year, everybody thought the Angels and Toronto had bought themselves pennants? Sometimes, frankly often, big money free agent signings do not translate into wins or titles.

The Yankees managed to do it in 2009 with the huge money signings of Sabathia, Teixiera and Burnett. Other than that one occasion, I can't recall the last time a team made a bunch of big money free agent signings and immediately won a World Series.

More often, teams win championships with cores of homegrown players who pan out, and a few trades and smaller free agent signings, like the Yankees in 1996-2000 or the Red Sox last season.

If these players come together and the Yankees develop a solid team chemistry, with the talent on the team, they should be very competitive with the Red Sox and Tigers, the other expected contenders for the AL pennant. Brian Roberts staying healthy and playing a solid second base would go a long way to seeing that happen.
 
Have to give the Yankees credit; the Red Sox win a World Series and they open the checkbook.

Half a billion dollars they've spent this off season.

Whenever I hear the Yankees talking about fiscal responsibility, I LMFAO.

Keep signing free agents, we'll keep bringing up home grown talent; of the 9 everyday players in the line up, 5 are home grown players and by 2015, 7 of the 9 will be home grown players as they've got a catcher in Swihart and 3rd baseman in Cecchini waiting in the wings and they'll move Middlebrooks over to first, leaving only Ortiz and Victorino as non home grown starters.........
 
They basically panicked. Attendance was down and the ratings dropped on their station, YES, which they don't fully own; their investors probably weren't happy either. Red Sox ownership must be laughing.
 
Hi Guy,

While I agree with a lot of what George says, this time I don't, because now that the Red Sox Nation has had a taste of winning more than one world series in a 100 years they are going to want more of the same. Just like all the fans of the Pats and the Bruins who have a great record of winning seasons the fans begin to expect it and when it doesn't happen they get worked up! I know from experience of growing up in the Berkshires with Red Sox fans that they get worked up pretty quickly. So while I agree with the home grown idea and wish the Yankees would spend more time developing their farm system I also want to see them win! Management knows this and has to open the wallets or they will be looking for work...

I hope it will be an interesting season.

Dave

PS at 750 K is Sizemore a good purchase by the Sox? 10K a game if he goes 72 games I hope all the surgeries he has had worked...
 
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Have to give the Yankees credit; the Red Sox win a World Series and they open the checkbook.

Half a billion dollars they've spent this off season.

Whenever I hear the Yankees talking about fiscal responsibility, I LMFAO.

Keep signing free agents, we'll keep bringing up home grown talent; of the 9 everyday players in the line up, 5 are home grown players and by 2015, 7 of the 9 will be home grown players as they've got a catcher in Swihart and 3rd baseman in Cecchini waiting in the wings and they'll move Middlebrooks over to first, leaving only Ortiz and Victorino as non home grown starters.........

George,

You are absolutely right, the Red Sox are doing it the better way right now, by developing via the draft. The 2013 WS title was earned through a great trade with the Dodgers to dump all their big money free agents, some home grown talent, particularly in the pitching staff, and a few key lower cost shorter term free agent signings. Your GM and manager did a fantastic job, and you went from out of the playoffs to the WS title as a result.

The Yankees, however, can't do that. First of all, they almost never get any decent draft picks (they have picked in the last 5 picks of the 1st round every season in the last 18 years except 2, and in those years they picked in the last 10 picks). Second, the Yankees haven't done anything with a draft pick since they got rid of Gene Michael at the end of the 1995 season. I can't think of a single Cashman 1st round pick that has panned out. Third, they don't have the luxury of waiting for players to develop. Most Yankees fans are impatient, and local media plays on this fan their furor whenever the Yankees miss the playoffs.

Boston baseball fans had 80 years of frustration to develop a fan base who can accept losing to eventually win. Imagine what Boston Celtics fans, who are as used to winning as Yankees fans, would do if the Celtics had the option to sign big money free agents and have a chance to win right away (impossible, I know, with the salary cap), but chose not to and to develop from within over a period of 5-10 years. I suspect your local media would crucify them.

The Yankees were insane to sign Ellsbury to that huge contract (age, injury history and length of contract all mitigated against it), and crazy to give Beltran 3 years (he has 1, at most 2 decent years left in him). However, signing the Braves catcher, McCann, who is a lefty hitter with power will work well for the first 3-4 years, and taking a chance on Tanaka, a 25 year old who has a good possibility of being a true ace were both good moves. If the Yankees get one title out of these moves, they will feel it was well worth the money and risk. We will just have to see how it pans out.
 
Hi Guy,

While I agree with a lot of what George says, this time I don't, because now that the Red Sox Nation has had a taste of winning more than one world series in a 100 years they are going to want more of the same. Just like all the fans of the Pats and the Bruins who have a great record of winning seasons the fans begin to expect it and when it doesn't happen they get worked up! I know from experience of growing up in the Berkshires with Red Sox fans that they get worked up pretty quickly. So while I agree with the home grown idea and wish the Yankees would spend more time developing their farm system I also want to see them win! Management knows this and has to open the wallets or they will be looking for work...

I hope it will be an interesting season.

Dave

PS at 750 K is Sizemore a good purchase by the Sox? 10K a game if he goes 72 games I hope all the surgeries he has had worked...

Dave,
Not sure what Red Sox fans you know, but speaking as one, I grew up like Louis said expecting them to find new and unusual ways to end the seaon in nut punch fashion. They lost the 67 and 75 World Series in 7 games, the 75 series is still called one of the greatest ever, which is a load of crap, it had a great moment, Fisks home run, but that series was far from great. The Sox were up 3-0 in game 7 and blew it.

Then in 1978, they blew a 14 game lead to the MFY's and it's funny, because as a kid growing up, the Tigers and Orioles of the 70's were the two teams to beat, the Yankees stunk on ice to quote Louis until 1976 and free agency, when they proceeded to buy themselves two WS titles; from 1970 through 1975, they stunk. I also recall in 1972 they went into Detroit up 1/2 half game in the AL East, lost two out of three and finished 1/2 half game out of first.

1986 takes the cake, up by two runs in game 6, two outs, nobody on base for the Mets, then all Hell broke loose and they lost the game, BY FAR the worst moment in Boston sports history in my lifetime; the 2008 gag job loss to the Giants by the Patriots topped that, never in my life did I ever think a team could top that 1986 meltdown, but God bless them, the 16-0 Patriots topped it.

Then in 2003, we've got the famous Grady Little brain fart, leaving Martinez in in the 8th inning of game 6 up two runs with Williamson and Timlin warmed up and ready in the bullpen, then picklenose Posada hits a broken bat Texas leaguer chicken @#$% bleeder into center field and ties the game, allowing the nobody known as Aaron Boone to hit the game winner that Charlie Stiener almost had a stroke over.

Which brings us to 2004, the back from the dead vs the MFY's down 0-3 in the ALCS, then on to the World Series, where they steamrolled the Cardinals, bingo, first WS title in Boston in 86 years.

Unreal, unbelievable, a miracle, 67, 75, 78, 86 and 03 flushed down the toilet in one giant WHOOSH.

2007 was a bonus, I was happy to see ONE WS title in my lifetime, but two?

Now last year; like Louis said, from worst to first to WS title number three this century.

What planet am I on?

Just incredible; this franchise has a lifetime pass for me, easy to say now, but it's really how I feel, at this point, they owe me nothing.

The Patriots are a different story; all of that talent, the best head coach and one of the best QB's in the business, yet they've lost three of the last 5 AFCCG's, including two in a row, plus are 0-2 in the Super Bowl since 2004. The Brady window is closing, he's got two years left if he's lucky, so they'd better get to and win one more or else the fans around here are going to be very unhappy.

SO, the Red Sox are under no pressure to win anything IMO.......................
 
Hi George

You sir have a way with words!:salute:: If I had to name all of the Red Sox fans I knew growing up I would have to mail you the whitepages from southern Berkshire County! I used to think that my dad and I were the only Yankee fans in the whole county.{sm2} That said I will agree about the massive failures in the 60s 70s and 80s. But the guys I stay in touch with back there are so too the moon over the last ws title they feel betrayed by the players who have left and in some cases are p.o.ed at the ownership for not wanting to pay up or what ever. So while you are an exception to the norm I think there are a lot of other fans there who want more ws wins.

Have a great day

Dave
 
Oh, 1986 wasn't so bad. Ahh, the classic words: "the ball gets behind Buckner." I still get chills watching it and it never gets old for me.

http://youtu.be/XVrC2gwsJAI

Sorry, George.

Actually, my favorite call is the late great Bob Murphy's call with Gary Thorne where Gary finishes it by saying "The Red Sox in stunned disbelief!" Rest in Peace Murph.

Except for '69, '86 and a great run in '73, not much to cheer about. The lot of most fans.
 
Oh, 1986 wasn't so bad. Ahh, the classic words: "the ball gets behind Buckner." I still get chills watching it and it never gets old for me.

Sorry, George.

Actually, my favorite call is the late great Bob Murphy's call with Gary Thorne where Gary finishes it by saying "The Red Sox in stunned disbelief!" Rest in Peace Murph.

Except for '69, '86 and a great run in '73, not much to cheer about. The lot of most fans.

It's all good; winning not one, not two, but three WS titles since takes the sting away.

That said, what a monumental choke job, two outs, two strikes, nobody on base and up by two runs and they blew it.

Only the Red Sox.
 

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