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Walmart did.Will that really make anyone change their views.I doubt it.I'm sure this thread will be shut down in about 40 posts.
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I personally find this a sad day for freedom of speech, but that doesn't seem to matter much anymore. Like I said, instead of getting to the root of the real problems, these symbolic items become the politically convenient answer.

Completely moronic moves like this make you shake your head.
TD
 
I suppose that means Amazon won't sell any ACW history book that might have the Confederate battle flag as part of the DJ or front board illustration. What idiocy. PC gone amok once again. :rolleyes2: And I doubt this thread lasts 20 posts.:wink2: -- Al
 
It is certainly not the root of our problem but it does represent our history of racism, segregation and sedition. I agree it should not fly over any government or public institution.
Taking it out of books or off merchandise might be carrying it too far, however, I'm not giving up my ACW flag bearers!
Not allowing this flag to hang from private homes is somewhat problematic. If it flew in my neighborhood it would certainly bring down property values and antagonize many people.
If the majority of a community finds it to be acceptable then I guess you have the choice of not living there.
I have many years of experience traveling for business in the South. I also did my basic training in the South. Certainly in the Seventies and early Eighties I saw first hand that the flag
represented segregation and anti-government sentiments. Now it might be a little more for nostalgia but that does not negate the terrible cause that it represented.
The Civil War and the Confederacy are part of our history and we should learn from it and continue the healing. I think minimizing the use of this flag is part of the healing process.
 
Let me get this in before this is shut down. The thread before this mentions not flying the confederate flag helps with the healing process, is that correct?
If so what healing process are you referring to? Certainly not slavery I hope. That ended 150 years ago. People living today bear no responsibility what so ever in that regards.
So slavery is not the answer then what healing process are you referring to then?
Gary
 
I personally find this a sad day for freedom of speech, but that doesn't seem to matter much anymore. Like I said, instead of getting to the root of the real problems, these symbolic items become the politically convenient answer.

Completely moronic moves like this make you shake your head.
TD

These are decisions by private companies not to sell the flag. It has nothing to do with freedom of speech. That involves speech regulated by the government.
 
Let me get this in before this is shut down. The thread before this mentions not flying the confederate flag helps with the healing process, is that correct?
If so what healing process are you referring to? Certainly not slavery I hope. That ended 150 years ago. People living today bear no responsibility what so ever in that regards.
So slavery is not the answer then what healing process are you referring to then?
Gary

How about segregation which certainly existed in my life time and the prejudice and racism that still exist today.......
Slavery may have legally ended 150 years ago but its effects still live today. Yes, progress is being made and I don't blame anyone living today for what happened 150 years ago.
But there is still ignorance and hatred exposed every day. Look at what people say about our President on the internet and talk shows. Its fine to disagree with his policies and positions but
the name calling and demonizing still show the need for a lot of "healing" and education.
 
How about segregation which certainly existed in my life time and the prejudice and racism that still exist today.......
Slavery may have legally ended 150 years ago but its effects still live today. Yes, progress is being made and I don't blame anyone living today for what happened 150 years ago.
But there is still ignorance and hatred exposed every day. Look at what people say about our President on the internet and talk shows. Its fine to disagree with his policies and positions but
the name calling and demonizing still show the need for a lot of "healing" and education.

First off, the civil war was fought over states rights and the Southern block resistance to a central federal government telling them what to do. Slavery, right or wrong ,was the major economic engine for the south versus an industrial modernized north. The end of slavery would have devastated the south's ability to financially compete nationally and globally. The majority of those confederate soldiers who fought and died did so for their state's honor and not slavery. It seems that the less one knows about actual history, the more they seem to want to make believe it never existed. I ,as a northerner, proudly stand with the south against PC tyranny. Michael
 
First off, the civil war was fought over states rights and the Southern block resistance to a central federal government telling them what to do. Slavery, right or wrong ,was the major economic engine for the south versus an industrial modernized north. The end of slavery would have devastated the south's ability to financially compete nationally and globally. The majority of those confederate soldiers who fought and died did so for their state's honor and not slavery. It seems that the less one knows about actual history, the more they seem to want to make believe it never existed. I ,as a northerner, proudly stand with the south against PC tyranny. Michael

With all due respect Southern revisionism is not "history".....Granted it was about State's Rights......That is the right to have slavery! And history is very clear that after the Civil War the South embraced
segregation and violence towards African Americans who they continued to view as sub-human and inferior to Caucasians.
As to the economics of slavery the majority of historians will tell you that morality overcomes the short term challenges of evolving from a slave economy to one of paid labor. If money comes before morality we are all doomed. Again history and the volume of letters from Southern soldiers show that the continuation of slavery and denying African Americans equal rights to White People was a major motivation.
In addition, to a Southern society that was steeped in Christian fundamentalism the Old Testament was very clear on slavery. The Hebrew God through Moses brought forth severe suffering (ten plagues) on the Egyptian population (including the death of all first born children) in order to free the Hebrew "slaves". Slavery was not only based on economics but a warped sense of elitism over people of color.

Unfortunately there are many who don't want to learn from their history and just distort it for their own self satisfaction.......
 
First off, the civil war was fought over states rights and the Southern block resistance to a central federal government telling them what to do. Slavery, right or wrong ,was the major economic engine for the south versus an industrial modernized north. The end of slavery would have devastated the south's ability to financially compete nationally and globally. The majority of those confederate soldiers who fought and died did so for their state's honor and not slavery. It seems that the less one knows about actual history, the more they seem to want to make believe it never existed. I ,as a northerner, proudly stand with the south against PC tyranny. Michael

When you say "slavery right or wrong" you expose your true agenda. There is NO Right when it comes to slavery!
 
From a outsider point of view i have never understood the phrase African-American.
Do you have Irish American,Italian American,English American and so on and so on ?
I just thought that if you where born in America you are American,with what ever heritage.

I have Scottish and German blood in me from generations ago but we are 3rd generation Australian so I'm Australian not Scottish Australian or German Australian.

That in itself causes problems i reckon why don't they just say I'm American with African heritage or what ever,don't wanna cause any conflict i just don't understand it.
 
From a outsider point of view i have never understood the phrase African-American.
Do you have Irish American,Italian American,English American and so on and so on ?
I just thought that if you where born in America you are American,with what ever heritage.

I have Scottish and German blood in me from generations ago but we are 3rd generation Australian so I'm Australian not Scottish Australian or German Australian.

That in itself causes problems i reckon why don't they just say I'm American with African heritage or what ever,don't wanna cause any conflict i just don't understand it.

I too find this an unusual concept...I think some people just like to hold onto their roots...

the category Mexican American...or Asian American is not popular...

while the terms Italian American and Irish American are more accepted...

again...I think some people use it just to delineate their exact heritage...

myself...

I'm Greek/German...

but always classify myself as American...
 
So what happens to bag sets of BMC Confederates with the stick on Confederate Battle Flagbearer??
 
Since it is relevant, and before the thread completely devolves, I will reprint here what I wrote on Facebook concerning this matter:

As to the actual question on hand, I really don't have a strong opinion, and even if I did, it would not matter, because it is a matter for private individuals, companies, and voters to decide.

What I am actually more disturbed by is the degree to which popular sentiment is able to overrule historical fact. I don't mean that in a partisan manner- it goes both ways.

For example, I have only read one quotation in which the flag in question is properly identified as the Battle Flag of the Confederacy (it was not the only one, by the way). People seem to forget that the flags of the Confederacy (there were three different ones) are different. The Battle Flag itself only became the primary symbol of the Confederacy after the War. On a side note, some accounts claim it features a Saint Andrews Cross instead of a Saint George's Cross because the designer did not want to alienate Southern Jews.

After reading up on the debate, I happened upon yet another flag dispute: the use of the Gadsden flag. Some apparently claim it is racist and is only a substitute for Confederate flags. They base this claim on two assumptions: 1. the Gadsden flag is inseparable from the Tea Party movement, and 2. the Tea Party movement is racist. The first one is patently false: the flag is as American as the American flag. It was invented by a South Carolinian during the American War for Independence, and many governmental and civilian organizations continue to use it. The second assumption is open to interpretation, but false in my opinion.

All of that said, remember this: the Confederate States of America was an enemy of the United States of America and the Confederates were rebels. The United States of America won that war and won with it the right to call the Confederates traitors. There have been many failed causes in history worth honoring, even mourning. There have been many more that we would rather distance ourselves from. America is (and hopeful will thus remain) a free country: it is your prerogative to choose for yourself whether or not YOU want to honor the Confederates as failed rebels or remember them as traitors.
 
Does this mean that any Confederate flag bearer figures are now banned on EBAY?
Wayne.
 
The Civil War was a family quarrel. I think it was Shelby Foote who said that prior to the war it was always rendered that" the United states are," and that afterwards it became "the United States is " indicative of the true unification of the nation. Unfortunately there are still a few extremists around who search diligently for any excuse to forcibly express their personal views under the guise of "public opinion". A pity that they cannot embrace the concept that it is history, and part of all that makes the US the great nation that it is today. Trooper
 
With all due respect Southern revisionism is not "history".....Granted it was about State's Rights......That is the right to have slavery! And history is very clear that after the Civil War the South embraced
segregation and violence towards African Americans who they continued to view as sub-human and inferior to Caucasians.
As to the economics of slavery the majority of historians will tell you that morality overcomes the short term challenges of evolving from a slave economy to one of paid labor. If money comes before morality we are all doomed. Again history and the volume of letters from Southern soldiers show that the continuation of slavery and denying African Americans equal rights to White People was a major motivation.
In addition, to a Southern society that was steeped in Christian fundamentalism the Old Testament was very clear on slavery. The Hebrew God through Moses brought forth severe suffering (ten plagues) on the Egyptian population (including the death of all first born children) in order to free the Hebrew "slaves". Slavery was not only based on economics but a warped sense of elitism over people of color.

Unfortunately there are many who don't want to learn from their history and just distort it for their own self satisfaction.......

I gave up on this debate a long time ago as the viewpoints are so ingrained in most parties that you can't even have a discussion around it without it becoming all about the Evil South and the Innocent North. Let's be honest, they both depended on each other's way of life and the labor was part of that, albeit it was completely wrong on all levels. It was an issue pure and simple, just not the only one. In the end and I truly believe this, there was going to be a fight sooner or later that was necessary to unite a nation that was divided on many levels.

With all due respect, he who flies the Rebel flag is not instantaneously a Slaver. I will continue to wave my Rebel Flag proudly for my ancestors who fought for a way of life they believe in - Freedom of choice and an agricultural society. For the record and it is well documented within my family records, they were NOT Slave owners, they were simple Shenandoah farmers who didn't believe in a totalitarian Federal Government (their opinion at the time). Furthermore, they didn't employ any help on the farms (several), they were self run by a large family, unfortunately, a number of them perished at Yellow Tavern.

I have to put up with enough PC BS in life, I will be darned if I will subject my family heritage to it.


Tom
 
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