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marco55 said:
I think wearing the mask may help some but they basically get dirty in about 20 minutes.Most of them are cheaply made and worthless.Some doctors think there may be long term harm using them. They are mainly a money racket.Making them mandatory is one way to keep selling them.I also think it's a way to take your individuality and little by little they want to see how far they can control the population.I know a lot of you may be laughing at me for saying this but if you look at things closely you can see more and more control.Everyone thinks tech is great including me but look how the government,Google,FB are keeping tracking people.They even have a app on your phone for tracking you.Mark
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Wearing a mask is NOT intended to protect YOU, but rather to protect OTHERS from you! Refusing to wear a mask is the epitome of stupidity in MHO and will do nothing to end this tragic pandemic.

Bosun Al
 
jazzeum said:
The following is an interactive article about how masks do work and is quite instructive:

Masks Work. Really. We’ll Show You How

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/30/science/wear-mask-covid-particles-ul.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
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That’s really cool, Brad. Thanks for sharing it.

The other dynamic is payload. For most of us, if we minimize the payload or amount we get it seems to result in milder symptoms or now symptoms. Masks help a lot with that, too.
 
Well I DON'T have it. Haven't had it but I know of people with the masks who have. I wear one when I go into a store but I'm not going to live my life hiding. Many people that were pro masks are sick of them. I had to work in 100+ degrees this summer, everybody in the place were sick of them so most took them off and guess what nobody got it. Most on here have white collar jobs so it's easy to work from home or have paid time off but blue collar workers live in a different world so we see things differently. First they said a couple of months, then through 2020 then through 2021 into 2022,nobody believes a **** thing they say. Our halfwit governor just put in new restrictions (illegal IMO) that he already had put in but with extra cost to companies that just don't have the extra money. I think if you check the states with the most draconian measures have had the most deaths. Now they are flipping out with the number of new cases but didn't they say all summer that there would be a second wave. It's going to go through the population no matter what safety measures they put in. And if I sound bad I'm like a lamb compared to a lot who have such hatred for our "leaders". Believe me Michigan was just the tip of the iceberg.
Mark
 
This is not the first time I have seen this financial benefit mentioned. Months ago I saw some news that there was some sort of "allowance" related to dying of Covid. Can't recall where but think it was NE USA. The money was over US10,000. My thought was that it would seriously distort the causes of death. I did not get how the money was allocated but assumed it was for family funeral expenses and the hospital as might be expenses related to handling the body differently.

We have been very lucky with low cases in Oz but one state. has had 90% of the deaths. The chief medical officer of Victoria has stated that anybody dying with Covid is counted as dying of Covid. I believe US CDC has said the same several weeks ago. I have read about a couple of cases in VIC where the family questioned the death certificate as knew it was not caused by Covid. not seen a mention of money here.


QUOTE=nysoldiers;901164]And today at one of his rallies our President accused doctors of fraudulently changing death records to Covid
so they can make more money!!!! The doctors who risk their lives to save our lives!!![/QUOTE]
 
bradleyl30 said:
We are having to self-quarantine. One person in our Children’s pod is feeling sick with COVID symptoms. They won’t get results for 5 days.

Fortunately, our neighborhood was awesome organizing Halloween and I could take my 3 year old and 5 year old trick-or-treating safely. Keeping them under wraps is tough.
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Good luck with everything Larry.
 
The Military Workshop said:
This is not the first time I have seen this financial benefit mentioned. Months ago I saw some news that there was some sort of "allowance" related to dying of Covid. Can't recall where but think it was NE USA. The money was over US10,000. My thought was that it would seriously distort the causes of death. I did not get how the money was allocated but assumed it was for family funeral expenses and the hospital as might be expenses related to handling the body differently.

We have been very lucky with low cases in Oz but one state. has had 90% of the deaths. The chief medical officer of Victoria has stated that anybody dying with Covid is counted as dying of Covid. I believe US CDC has said the same several weeks ago. I have read about a couple of cases in VIC where the family questioned the death certificate as knew it was not caused by Covid. not seen a mention of money here.


QUOTE=nysoldiers;901164]And today at one of his rallies our President accused doctors of fraudulently changing death records to Covid
so they can make more money!!!! The doctors who risk their lives to save our lives!!!
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The virus has gotten so political over here you don't know what to believe.
Mark
 
Wearing a mask is not a panacea, it absolutely helps but it is by no means a “cure” the same way a seatbelt does not provide 100% survivability in a car accident.
 
Many have rested their hopes on a vaccine and that approval by the FDA means it will kill the virus. That is not necessarily true and betrays a misunderstanding of what FDA approval means. FDA approval of a product doesn’t guarantee that it will do what its developers hope it does. Approval means it will have some benefit. Studies have found that not all drugs approved by the FDA or the European Medicines Agency (EMA), the European equivalent of the FDA, have significant therapeutic value.
 
I think the masks are as much a security blanket as anything. Do they help? Probably somewhat but there is zero credible evidence that they are as effective as a vaccine or will save "100K lives" as one politician keeps repeatedly repeating. It has been politicized by both sides. So the effectiveness is overstated by one party and understated by the other. Once the election is over maybe the issue will become less political and the focus will be on results rather than framing the arguments for political purposes. The fact that we are back to where things began even though most folks are wearing masks and socially distancing (along with many other changes like not going places etc) demonstrates that masks and social distancing have limitations. I'm certainly not opposed to common sense measures like wearing masks or distancing, but just don't believe they are all that effective.
 
I really don't know what to think or believe anymore.

The virus was raging out of control in the northeast in March/April, then we got a handle on it and then it blew up in Florida, Texas, California and Arizona over the Summer, now it's blowing up in the midwest and it raging out of control just about everywhere else.

As others have pointed out, this is happening with masks, gloves, hand washing, social distancing; so why is it spiraling out of control?

I have zero answers.................the Summer heat didn't kill it, now we're heading into the winter, throw in flu season, although doctors are now claiming with people wearing masks, the flu season may not be that bad this year.....................i also read where getting a flu shot may help against COVID, I really don't see how the two are related.

As to Brad's point; a vaccine is not a cure all/end all, I get a flu shot every year and all I hear is they are somewhat effective, but there are new strains that pop up that the current shot does not protect against.

I'm getting the sense/feeling that this man made biological weapon....oh sorry, I mean virus is here to stay and the only real hope is more and more effective ways to treat it/minimize the after effects of it if you get it are found.

I am at the point in my mind where I now fully grasp the concept that there is not going to be some magic pill/vaccine that is found to get rid of it 100% and this is the "NEW NORMAL" that we are stuck with forever and wearing a mask/social distancing is going to be a thing for a long, long time.

At some point, everyone is going to throw their hands up in the air and just say **** it, I'm moving on with my life and if I get this thing, then so be it.

Truth be told and speaking freely; I'm pretty much at the end of my rope with all of this, I've been doing what is best for EIGHT ****ing months.

I've had it.
 
That's the way most people feel George. They try to do the right things that we were told to do but see it's not working. They said after the lockdowns that they actually hurt keeping people close together in a confined space now WHO just came out recently saying they were bad and what are governments doing, they are locking down again. They said that a second wave would come when cooler weather came but act surprised now that it's here. They say you should listen to the science and they have to a point but you can take 10 highly qualified doctors/scientists and ask their opinions on the virus and you will get 11 opinions. I do think this is deliberate.
 
jazzeum said:
Many have rested their hopes on a vaccine and that approval by the FDA means it will kill the virus. That is not necessarily true and betrays a misunderstanding of what FDA approval means. FDA approval of a product doesn’t guarantee that it will do what its developers hope it does. Approval means it will have some benefit. Studies have found that not all drugs approved by the FDA or the European Medicines Agency (EMA), the European equivalent of the FDA, have significant therapeutic value.
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Of course, but we are hoping for a vaccine that does three things: produces a robust immune response in all age groups, has a significant success rate at stopping covid-19 infection and minimizing symptom scope, intensity and duration if one does get infected, and does so with minimal side effects.
Expecting a vaccine with a 100% effectiveness rate is not reasonable; we know this. But we are hoping for the best vaccine we can get bearing in mind that there are multiple vaccines in third phase trials, and we will not be limited to just a single choice if multiple vaccines are approved by the FDA.

Joe
 
My feeling with the masks is it’s doing something and that’s good enough for me.
If you hold a simple tissue in front of your face and sneeze, it blocks more then if you had nothing!!! (And masks are sure better then that)
 
zblang said:
My feeling with the masks is it’s doing something and that’s good enough for me.
If you hold a simple tissue in front of your face and sneeze, it blocks more then if you had nothing!!! (And masks are sure better then that)
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it's common sense...
surgical teams always wear masks to prevent spreading their germs to you...
not too tough to figure out...
it's gotta help to some degree...
can't understand how some people think they don't help...
 
mikemiller1955 said:
it's common sense...
surgical teams always wear masks to prevent spreading their germs to you...
not too tough to figure out...
it's gotta help to some degree...
can't understand how some people think they don't help...
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I’m having an endoscopy tomorrow. When the Dr., the anesthesiologist and the nurse go to put their masks on, I think I’m going to say “No, I’m good.”
 
jazzeum said:
I’m having an endoscopy tomorrow. When the Dr., the anesthesiologist and the nurse go to put their masks on, I think I’m going to say “No, I’m good.”
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Best of luck to you Brad, best wishes...........
 
One not unreasonable outcome in the election is an electoral college tie. How about that to finish off 2020 and throw the remainder of this year into total chaos on top of the virus? As I understand it, the House gets to decide who becomes President and the Senate picks the VP. And despite the fact that the dems are the majority in the House, the vote is by state delegation to elect the president. And the repubs currently control the state delegations in 26 states. Thus, if that remained unchanged, the repub would become president. BUT - wait for it - the House vote doesn't occur under the current congressional delegation but the next incoming Congress. As a result, the dems could become majority in this election and select the next president. And if the repubs keep control of the Senate, we could end up with Biden as the President and Pence as VP. That would be interesting.
 
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