COVID the 3rd (1 Viewer)

[mikemiller1955]

I read an article yesterday about a young lady here in SA who attended a COVID party, whereby everyone puts money in the pot and who ever gets the virus first wins the money. I couldn't believe my eyes and sure enough her dying words were "I thought it was a hoax". She passed.

John from Texas

you're okay...great news...


unbelievable...how irresponsible can you get to taking care of your fellow American...

 

[Louis Badolato]

First, John, I am thrilled to hear you tested negative.

Second, I am appalled at the stupidity of those party goers.

Third, I have been conversing with a good friend, and very intelligent person, who is convinced that Covid is "fake news," basically a mild version of the flu, and that hospitals are declaring deaths Covid deaths because they get extra funding for Covid deaths. While I can certainly believe that hospitals might be encouraged to declare any death a Covid death to get extra funding, I personally know 8 people who have passed from the virus, 4 of which were my age or younger, and the 3 of the 4 my age or younger did not have any high risk factors. But this brings me back to another point: we have so completely lost confidence in our news sources that even a pandemic that has killed nearly 150,000 Americans so far can be dismissed by intelligent, reasonable people as fake news if they have not been personally affected. I grew up listening to giants like Walter Kronkite on the evening news. What passes for news today would make Mr. Kronkite turn over in his grave. Many of my friends believe in one news outlet or another, conservative friends trusting Fox News, or liberal friends trusting CNN, but, frankly, I don't trust any of them. I've reached a point were if I don't see the reported event or statement on film or first hand, I just don't believe what any news commentator says about it.

 

[Combat]

I do wonder what is causing the enormous disparity of new cases between the US with other countries. A record 60,000+/day while countries like Germany had about 200. It's difficult to believe per the media that disparity can be chalked up entirely to just some folks not wearing masks or social distancing. I doubt that people in the US are acting all that much differently from the typical citizen in other countries. One of those issues that the media doesn't really bother to investigate. Easier to blame it on something simple like a few people objecting to masks. Just wait until there is a vaccine and we have the debate about whether that should be mandated.

 

[Warrior]

I do wonder what is causing the enormous disparity of new cases between the US with other countries. A record 60,000+/day while countries like Germany had about 200. It's difficult to believe per the media that disparity can be chalked up entirely to just some folks not wearing masks or social distancing. I doubt that people in the US are acting all that much differently from the typical citizen in other countries. One of those issues that the media doesn't really bother to investigate. Easier to blame it on something simple like a few people objecting to masks. Just wait until there is a vaccine and we have the debate about whether that should be mandated.

As far as I know, a vaccine can't be mandated. The flu vaccine is not, it's your choice whether you want one or not.

My cousin yammers on about how he's never had a flu shot, hasn't had the flu in ages and has zero plans on getting a COVID vaccine.


Good for him; as far as a flu shot, I get one every year, if he chooses not to, that's on him. The older I get, screwing around with the flu is no joke, my Dad getting it is what partly contributed to his death.

From the looks of things, a vaccine will no be widely available until the Spring of 2021 at the earliest.

Here in MA, we keep hovering around 125 to 150 positives a day, 25 to 50 deaths a day.............may not sound like alot, but that works out to about four thousand positives a month, one thousand deaths a month.


No joke.

We're in phase 3 of our reopening now, phase 4 is large gatherings like concerts, sporting events, conventions, weddings and such. From what I am being told by a friend who works in the convention business, most governors around the country are in agreement that no phase 4 until a vaccine is widely available.

So, no gatherings for the next 10 to 12 months from the looks of things.

 

[DMNamiot]

Interesting posts. You guys on the East coast certainly And in high density places like cities run a higher risk due to population density. Here in Colorado it appears from the data that the numbers are going down. Hopefully this crap will dwindle and pass so we can get back to semi normal. I really doubt it will ever get back to normal that we recognize from before it started.
Stay healthy

Dave

 

[tdubel]

Maryland historical cases 73100. Deaths 3188. Out of 3188, 1961 deaths occurred in nursing home type facilities. Furthermore out of the remaining 1200 cases, 3 counties account for the majority of them. Interesting statistics. I am personally happy I am not in any of those areas.
Td

 

[Combat]

As far as I know, a vaccine can't be mandated. The flu vaccine is not, it's your choice whether you want one or not.

My cousin yammers on about how he's never had a flu shot, hasn't had the flu in ages and has zero plans on getting a COVID vaccine.


Good for him; as far as a flu shot, I get one every year, if he chooses not to, that's on him. The older I get, screwing around with the flu is no joke, my Dad getting it is what partly contributed to his death.

From the looks of things, a vaccine will no be widely available until the Spring of 2021 at the earliest.

Here in MA, we keep hovering around 125 to 150 positives a day, 25 to 50 deaths a day.............may not sound like alot, but that works out to about four thousand positives a month, one thousand deaths a month.


No joke.

We're in phase 3 of our reopening now, phase 4 is large gatherings like concerts, sporting events, conventions, weddings and such. From what I am being told by a friend who works in the convention business, most governors around the country are in agreement that no phase 4 until a vaccine is widely available.

So, no gatherings for the next 10 to 12 months from the looks of things.

Yes, it's pretty astounding what people get worked up about. The government mandates a lot of things like wearing seat belts, driving on the right side of the road, stopping at red lights. No one complains about that but they go nuts about "freedoms" such as not being forced to wear a mask or taking a shot. I think a vaccine has to be mandated for anyone who has contact with the public. They are free not to get it but if so they can't go to work or have any contact with the public, and if they do and give it to someone because they didn't get a shot, then others should be able to exercise their freedom by suing them. Most school kids have to get certain vaccines already to go to school. If there was ever a situation that called out for similar treatment, it is this one.

 

[nysoldiers]

For the first time since early March New York City has no recorded deaths from the virus.
I only hope we keep our guard up and stay smart with masks, social distancing,avoiding crowds and proper hygiene.
It can be done even in the most densely populated city in our country when people listen to science and practice self
discipline.

 

[Warrior]

For the first time since early March New York City has no recorded deaths from the virus.
I only hope we keep our guard up and stay smart with masks, social distancing,avoiding crowds and proper hygiene.
It can be done even in the most densely populated city in our country when people listen to science and practice self
discipline.

I find it interesting that NY and MA were two certified hot zones, case counts out of control, deaths mounting day after day, yet here both states are about 3 months later with it basically under control while it's blowing up in other areas now.

If you put a time line on it, it will be roughly October before other states have it under somewhat of control, but who knows.

Comparing Europe to the United States is apples to hand grenades, Europe seems to have put a lid on it, it's out of control here.

What a mess.

 

[Combat]

I find it interesting that NY and MA were two certified hot zones, case counts out of control, deaths mounting day after day, yet here both states are about 3 months later with it basically under control while it's blowing up in other areas now.

If you put a time line on it, it will be roughly October before other states have it under somewhat of control, but who knows.

Comparing Europe to the United States is apples to hand grenades, Europe seems to have put a lid on it, it's out of control here.

What a mess.

I think every vulnerable person in NY, NJ, and MA probably was already exposed and infected or died. The number of cases and deaths in those areas were enormous in March-April despite some of the most stringent lockdown measures. Something like 40% of the total deaths are from NY and NJ alone. So I don't see them as success stories but unmitigated disasters that have played out. No doubt many people fled those areas carrying the virus elsewhere.

 

[Warrior]

I think every vulnerable person in NY, NJ, and MA probably was already exposed and infected or died. The number of cases and deaths in those areas were enormous in March-April despite some of the most stringent lockdown measures. Something like 40% of the total deaths are from NY and NJ alone. So I don't see them as success stories but unmitigated disasters that have played out. No doubt many people fled those areas carrying the virus elsewhere.

Probably true, Florida as example A of a place they likely fled to................

 

[jazzeum]

The reason NY, NJ, MA and other northeastern states have this under control but not beaten is because these states closed down and reopened very slowly; NJ is still not fully reopened. I’d like to go to the gym but who knows when that will happen. Unfortunately, theses states don’t have moats around them and there is no guarantee how long this situation will last. We still have new cases every day. In our county the numbers are steadily low. European countries have had flare ups and unless the state governments are vigilant this may come back as badly as it’s occurring in other states.

 

[nysoldiers]

It is obvious why NY and the metro area would be the hardest hit from the virus. More densely populated than any other city in the US, an entry point for world travelers and the most visited city for tourists and business people.
Without the stringent regulations and health care resources the cases and deaths would have been exponentially higher. Now the test is whether we can keep the numbers under control as people start to loosen up their behavior.

The toughest decision will be going back to school in the fall.

 

[ExRanger]

As a life long NYer and not a fan of Gov. Cuomos politics prior to the Virus striking, I will give him two thumbs up for the handling of the virus. Shut it down when needed and no rush to reopen before its time. Some of these other Govs should read his playbook. They might learn something. We've come too far to continue to lose lives.

 

[mikemiller1955]

The German company BioNTech has entered into collaborations with Pfizer, based in New York, and the Chinese drug maker Fosun Pharma to develop their mRNA vaccine. On July 1, they announced that all the volunteers for their Phase I/II trial produced antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, while some experienced moderate side effects such as sleep disturbances and sore arms. The company expects to start Phase III trials in July. Based on the results so far, the F.D.A. gave the vaccine fast track status on July 13, which speeds up the approval process. If approved, Pfizer said they expect to manufacture up to 100 million doses of the vaccine by the end of this year, and potentially more than 1.2 billion doses by the end of 2021.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html

 

[mikemiller1955]

[h=1]Spain's coronavirus antibodies study adds evidence against herd immunity[/h]
Madrid (CNN)Spain's large-scale study on the coronavirus indicates just 5% of its population has developed antibodies, strengthening evidence that a so-called herd immunity to Covid-19 is "unachievable," the medical journal the Lancet reported on Monday.

The findings show that 95% of Spain's population remains susceptible to the virus. Herd immunity is achieved when enough of a population has become infected with a virus or bacteria -- or vaccinated against it -- to stop its circulation.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/06/health/spain-coronavirus-antibody-study-lancet-intl/index.html

 

[jazzeum]

For clarity Pfizer and BioNTech entered into collaboration arrangements back in March.

 

[Panzer ace]

I look at the pandemic through the eyes of Texas and California as I have lived in both states during the lockdown.

Texas re-opened relatively quickly and California has truly never re-opened.

Both of them are now designated as in an “uncontrolled spread”.

I wish we could all be honest with ourselves and admit that we have no idea what we are doing when it comes to controlling an uncontrollable entity.

 

[hotel3alpha]

All,

Yeah, the news in Okinawa is pretty startling. Some Marines who recently got stationed there or came back home from leave brought with them COVID and now the Governor of Okinawa is having a head fit about infections and rightly so. Its a island with no where to hide. Okinawa is going to be an interesting story as to how it affects the Americans and the locals.

Here's the article about the woman who when to the "COVID Party" and died as a result of it:

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/a...30s-dies-after-reportedly-citing-15402165.php

..."I though it was a hoax" and then she died.

The signs here and everywhere on business doors are pretty simple "NO MASK, NO SERVICE". So, if you need to go someplace that it is it. I find though at smaller locations like gas stations and small business people are more brazen about challenging or complaining about mask wearing. I haven't witnessed it, but when I talk to the gas station attendants they tell me some wild stories or anger, yelled profanities and out right refusal to wear a mask to get a pack of smokes. Yet, in the big box stores there is no problem. I think people when they are one on one with a service provider and more importantly no witnesses ***** and complain about the mask situation. On the other hand, in a big box store violators think twice about airing out there mask grievances because of fear of embarrassment or ridicule in front of other people. Again I have yet to witness it and I have mentioned before that if I happened to be around one of the "Its against my constitutional rights to wear a mask" there will be a slapping coming and I look forward to explaining it to the judge.

Some observations from yesterday:

A guy from Boston (accent and MA license plates) was in line at Home Depot yesterday wearing a Boston Red Sox muscle shirt with no muscles. He had lobster red arms, sweating like a beast and was headed for a sun burn with blisters. Brother...welcome to Texas man and coverup them shoulders.

A car with Florida plates was weaving in and out of traffic in a construction zone not using their signal light and doing the "speed up to get no where" driving technique. It was dangerous, careless and the last time I saw that was in Florida.

I saw a beautiful, brand new white F-350 dually at the gas yesterday with New York plates. I was admiring his truck until he passed me by and I saw he stuck 22 inch chrome pimp rims on this truck. I was like "C'mon man" but hey at least it was a 4x4.

Yesterday we had a temperature record here in San Antonio as the temp hit 107 degrees. It was smoking hot and I got all my construction stuff done early and was finished by 11AM.

And lastly, both my son and daughter are grounded from driving with the exception of work. Why? Well, both their phone have the app 360 on them and on it you can see how fast they were driving. In one month my son son sped over the speed limit over 400 times with an average highway speed of 84 mph. Daughter #2 rated half of that with over 200 over the limit speeding with an average highway speed of 90 mph. The wife and I came down HARD on them to the point of tears from the both of them. It was inevitable that one of them was going to get into an accident or worse and guess what? Daughter number #2 had a fender bender the other day. Who did she hit? An undercover narcotics cop in a GOVT vehicle on his way to make a bust. Thank god nobody was hurt.

Yeah, we came down HARD...I'm talking obsidian hard...like folded Japanese steel hard. It was ugly and our kids were so ashamed of themselves that we didn't see the for 3 days as they self imposed themselves to being grounded to their room. We didn't do that, they just did as they knew we did not want to even see them. Not even a peek. In fact, they didn't even come down for dinner and got take out and went back to their rooms. The line "I am so disappointed in you" resonated with them pretty fierce.

COVID and real world problems.

John from Texas

 

[marco55]

All,




The signs here and everywhere on business doors are pretty simple "NO MASK, NO SERVICE". So, if you need to go someplace that it is it. I find though at smaller locations like gas stations and small business people are more brazen about challenging or complaining about mask wearing. I haven't witnessed it, but when I talk to the gas station attendants they tell me some wild stories or anger, yelled profanities and out right refusal to wear a mask to get a pack of smokes. Yet, in the big box stores there is no problem. I think people when they are one on one with a service provider and more importantly no witnesses ***** and complain about the mask situation. On the other hand, in a big box store violators think twice about airing out there mask grievances because of fear of embarrassment or ridicule in front of other people. Again I have yet to witness it and I have mentioned before that if I happened to be around one of the "Its against my constitutional rights to wear a mask" there will be a slapping coming and I look forward to explaining it to the judge.

I would be very careful doing that John as a few has tried that and unfortunately they are no longer with us.The question was asked here in Jersey about making a citizen's arrest on someone without a mask.It could be legal but cops,lawyers,judges and even the great Bozo our governor strongly recommends against this.
Mark