Eagle Design Tiger I (1 Viewer)

Again I have the ED Grey Tiger which I re-painted....it is larger then 1:30th and it has been communicated by Hunter Rose that it "likely measures out" to be a "large-ish 1:29th" scale.....It does not work well with Figarti Tigers which are accurate 1:30th.....However it does work well with WB and War Park Winter German Soldiers
 
The German Commander is a K/C figure which is likely 1:28th scale
 
Frank could you please provide the dimensions of your ED Tiger I? Nice paint job and the K&C figure looks very realistic. I have the same K&C figure sitting in the cupola of my Figarti Tiger I and it looks about the same in proportion to the Tiger I IMO. K&C Panzer Kommander 3/4 figures tend to be smaller than 1/28 scale; since the K&C Panzers are usually 1/30; except when they are not; as is the case with the BG-016 Kingtiger.


Vezzolf said:
Again I have the ED Grey Tiger which I re-painted....it is larger then 1:30th and it has been communicated by Hunter Rose that it "likely measures out" to be a "large-ish 1:29th" scale.....It does not work well with Figarti Tigers which are accurate 1:30th.....However it does work well with WB and War Park Winter German Soldiers
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I am not good at taking accurate dimensional measurements of AFV's ....But there is no question that the ED Tiger is larger then 1:30th scale.....I know that some expert forum members can provide very accurate detailed measurements that will confirm the size of this ED Tiger....
 
The dimensions of a 1/30 scale Tiger I should be: OAL 11", Hull Length 8.2", Width 4.8", Height 3.9" The Figarti late Production Tiger I is the most accurate 1/30 scale model I have measured to date. The TCS and K&C Tiger I's are close. I am still waiting to receive dimensions on the ED and FL Tiger I's
 
ccdc11 said:
This thread has me confused. I just started to buy afv so it may be just my newness at it but,
Chuck
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Cdc, I usually don't post here but your question has pulled a string in my heart. You seem new to WW2, you have certain criteria for what you want to collect, and models are too expensive now to be buying outside of your criteria. So let me offer the following:

What Katana says is generally true, but could use some further refinement. There is a large scale fig, that being the K&C, TCS, & TGM brands. These go better with the larger scale brand AFVs which are generally, K&C & TCS. K&C uses a sliding scale. They make their smaller vehicles truer to large scale (1/28+ or even ++) and larger vehicles closer to 1/30. Some of the older models of the Witmann Tiger generation can even be found in 1/32 scale. TCS is also a larger scale, and generally come out 1/28 + or even ++. TGM, which copies the K&C fig scale, make their vehicles close to 1/30 which means that some of their smaller vehicles look rather strange with their figs.

FL, Figarti , most TGM and some ED hover around 1/30 and go better with FL, WB, KP & WP figs.

Keep in mind that FL can run 1/31-1/30, while Figarti can run 1/29-1/30, which means there will be differences between those brands.

Every model from every manufacturer has it's own unique scale. I don't think any model I've ever measured has been 1/30 or 1/whatever in every dimension. For example, off the top of my head, the FL Tiger came out to 1/30 in deck height and chassis length, and 1/31 in width. The Figarti Tigers came out over 1/30 (perhaps 1/28.5 iirc) in height, but were 1/30 in length and width. And there is a similar story from every model from every brand.

I usually don't read and post here, but you can reach me at the HB forum. We have a thread there dedicated to scale requests. I may not have the exact model to measure, but I have the line drawings for nearly everything of major interest for WW2 and Cold War. You can post a request over there if you want some scale information. With luck, I will have the model to measure. If not, I can post the dimensions for chassis length, deck height and width at 1:1 scale, show you to points I measured, and you can repost the information over here for someone to compare (who actually has the model). I also have measuring instructions over there posted for people who just have a simple ruler rather than professional calipers.

I generally use the Bradford diagrams for reference, and I do check for drawing distortion from the scanning/printing process (usually a 3% error). For German equipment I double check against Hilary Doyle diagrams as he is an engineer who has actually measured the surviving vehicles (as some government supplied drawings were found to have errors).

Hope I am able to help you. Offer goes to anyone else who wants the help.

What I can help to avoid are unnecessary argumentative scale threads like the Figarti Pershing thread for example. That thread should be no more than 4 posts tops, but you can see how this subject can get out of control.

You want the data...I'll give it to you, you can post over here, and anyone who has the model can follow some quick measuring instructions and give you a high confidence answer.
 
Blowtorch said:
Cdc, I usually don't post here but your question has pulled a string in my heart. You seem new to WW2, you have certain criteria for what you want to collect, and models are too expensive now to be buying outside of your criteria. So let me offer the following:

What Katana says is generally true, but could use some further refinement. There is a large scale fig, that being the K&C, TCS, & TGM brands. These go better with the larger scale brand AFVs which are generally, K&C & TCS. K&C uses a sliding scale. They make their smaller vehicles truer to large scale (1/28+ or even ++) and larger vehicles closer to 1/30. Some of the older models of the Witmann Tiger generation can even be found in 1/32 scale. TCS is also a larger scale, and generally come out 1/28 + or even ++. TGM, which copies the K&C fig scale, make their vehicles close to 1/30 which means that some of their smaller vehicles look rather strange with their figs.

FL, Figarti , most TGM and some ED hover around 1/30 and go better with FL, WB, KP & WP figs.

Keep in mind that FL can run 1/31-1/30, while Figarti can run 1/29-1/30, which means there will be differences between those brands.

Every model from every manufacturer has it's own unique scale. I don't think any model I've ever measured has been 1/30 or 1/whatever in every dimension. For example, off the top of my head, the FL Tiger came out to 1/30 in deck height and chassis length, and 1/31 in width. The Figarti Tigers came out over 1/30 (perhaps 1/28.5 iirc) in height, but were 1/30 in length and width. And there is a similar story from every model from every brand.

I usually don't read and post here, but you can reach me at the HB forum. We have a thread there dedicated to scale requests. I may not have the exact model to measure, but I have the line drawings for nearly everything of major interest for WW2 and Cold War. You can post a request over there if you want some scale information. With luck, I will have the model to measure. If not, I can post the dimensions for chassis length, deck height and width at 1:1 scale, show you to points I measured, and you can repost the information over here for someone to compare (who actually has the model). I also have measuring instructions over there posted for people who just have a simple ruler rather than professional calipers.

I generally use the Bradford diagrams for reference, and I do check for drawing distortion from the scanning/printing process (usually a 3% error). For German equipment I double check against Hilary Doyle diagrams as he is an engineer who has actually measured the surviving vehicles (as some government supplied drawings were found to have errors).

Hope I am able to help you. Offer goes to anyone else who wants the help.

What I can help to avoid are unnecessary argumentative scale threads like the Figarti Pershing thread for example. That thread should be no more than 4 posts tops, but you can see how this subject can get out of control.

You want the data...I'll give it to you, you can post over here, and anyone who has the model can follow some quick measuring instructions and give you a high confidence answer.
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I can vouch for the great info BT can provide. Has helped me immensely.
 
ccdc11 said:
This thread has me confused. I just started to buy afv so it may be just my newness at it but, by reading other threads over the years I "think" I have learned that.
KC and TG figs work well with TCS and KC tanks because they are all a bit larger? figs and afv's work well together. I own these and believe they do.
Wb, Conte, Fl and now WP figs work well with FL and JJ tanks because they are all a bit smaller than KC and TG and the figs and afv work well together.



SOOO if thats correct, wouldn't the ED tiger work well with KC and TG figs due to its larger size? most people said at the start of ED threads that they thought KC/TG figs would be too big for ED.
I do not want a scale war here, But man I really don't get it and I just started WW2 again so I am trying to to stay in one scale as space is a major concern for me now.
This is why I drink btw.
Chuck
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Chuck,
Sorry you're feeling confused; truth be told, the whole scale dilemma is indeed confusing, so don't feel bad. You're not starting a scale war either.

The bottom line is it's the responsibility of the manufacturers to get things right; if they are calling their AFV's 1/30th, they should in fact be 1/30th, not 1/29th, not 1/31st, not 1/28th, but 1/30th.

It's not rocket science to follow scale measurements and shrink down an AFV to the exact, proper scale.

I collect 20mm figures and 1/72nd scale AFV's. A lot of my AFV's are model kits and kits are exact in scale; 1/72nd is 1/72nd, not 1/70th, not 1/71st, not 1/69th, but true 1/72nd. The other option for me is 1/76th scale, I only buy that scale if the vehicle is not available in 1/72nd scale.

Full disclosure, I used to dismiss the scale arguments, but when you're spending 250.00 to 360.00 for a tank/AFV, it should come as advertised, end of story. I don't blame the collectors for doing their homework and calling into question AFV's that are not what they are purported to be, the hobby has come a long way in that there are a lot of knowledgeable, well versed collectors out there, this forum and the HB Forum have a lot of members who know their stuff.

My advice is read through the threads and make your purchasing decisions based on the opinions of those who've done the legwork for you.
 
Thanks everyone for the offers of help,
I am unable to post a longer response due to only having mobile devices for Internet access for a few weeks. I have been in the background reading this forum for 7 years or so and I have read the scale post over the years ( quite entertaining they were to) and understand the general consensus of what AFVs work with what figs. And agree with most of it. My confusion may have been more I misread something and I will reread the whole thread in a week or two when at a real computer and explain it then. I just recall seeing that it worked like the Ed panzer 3s I own with WB/FL figs better than KC/TG. Then it seemed I saw pictures with KC figures.
Give me a bit and I'll explain in better. Sorry mobile sucks

Chuck
 
A really fine example of an early production Tiger I. The fact that all the hatches open puts it in a class beyond Figarti and FL; as do the metal tracks. I presume ED will next produce a Kingtiger or a Panther! ED replaces Figarti in terms of quality and fills the roll quite well.
 
I ordered mine on Monday thru the website so here hoping its here quick.
Hopefully about the same time as the WP smoking set.
Has anyone tried the WP panzer figures on a ED tank yet ?
Chuck
 
Y-Weido ships fast; typically a week to 10 days for large item I have ordered from him. 5 days for small items; he is very reliable.


ccdc11 said:
I ordered mine on Monday thru the website so here hoping its here quick.
Hopefully about the same time as the WP smoking set.
Has anyone tried the WP panzer figures on a ED tank yet ?
Chuck
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Yeah, I think I recall last time it was quick.
So far, nice company to do business with.
 
Does Eagle design have a website? I’m curious as to their future Stug III release.
 
Some disparaging comments have been made about the quality of the ED metal tracks on the FL thread. They look really good in photos; as good as Minichamps. . Can someone who has an ED Tiger I comment on the quality of the metal tracks. FL Panzers should have metal tracks at their price point IMO.
 
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