First Legion Stug III Ausf F/8 (1 Viewer)

You know what, i think life is too short for arguing about Toy Soldiers.We are totally spoilt for choice as collectors right now,so much good stuff out there for us all.Yesterday myself and James took our normal spin round the show and everywhere we went we could have spent thousands.I'm not going to name any other companies on this thread,so i'll stick to FL.The paint job on the uniforms,faces and equip was just fantastic.The finish on the German helmets was spot on,torn and faded uniforms was awsome and really added to realism.I think we should just celebrate the fact we have such great companies in the market instead of dividing ourselves into factions.Honestly guys walking round the show i could have happily been a flag waver for about ten different producers.:)

Rob
 
That is so true. We argue over what is a hobby; what we voluntarily choose to get involved with but we get distracted by side issues that have no place. I just don't get it. Maybe I'm naïve but that's what I think, and let's face it as a moderator I'm just a glorified cop.
 
When is the Stug III being released?? I did not see it on the web-site....Will it be available in panzer grey?.....
 
Rob said:
You know what, i think life is too short for arguing about Toy Soldiers.We are totally spoilt for choice as collectors right now,so much good stuff out there for us all.Yesterday myself and James took our normal spin round the show and everywhere we went we could have spent thousands.I'm not going to name any other companies on this thread,so i'll stick to FL.The paint job on the uniforms,faces and equip was just fantastic.The finish on the German helmets was spot on,torn and faded uniforms was awsome and really added to realism.I think we should just celebrate the fact we have such great companies in the market instead of dividing ourselves into factions.Honestly guys walking round the show i could have happily been a flag waver for about ten different producers.:)

Rob
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We are quite spoiled with the options and quality available at different price points. The temptations seem unrelenting no matter what your preferences. Part of me is glad I was not in London since my credit card would also have taken a beating.;):D
 
Wow, this Stug looks great! Do you eventually plan on doing some some Dday stuff such as American airborne, tanks etc...
 
Vezzolf said:
When is the Stug III being released?? I did not see it on the web-site....Will it be available in panzer grey?.....
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Hopefully the pre-order will start next month at some point. Final colors have not been decided, however, Panzer Gray is a pretty safe bet I think. Just not sure if we'll do multiple color versions or not...
 
Sahara said:
Wow, this Stug looks great! Do you eventually plan on doing some some Dday stuff such as American airborne, tanks etc...
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Thanks Sahara. Yes, we will expand to range to Western front at some point.
 
FirstLegion said:
Hopefully the pre-order will start next month at some point. Final colors have not been decided, however, Panzer Gray is a pretty safe bet I think. Just not sure if we'll do multiple color versions or not...
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Schwartzgrau (dark grey) was the factory base coat of all German armour until February 1943. There were no authorized disruptive camo colours. Whitewash was applied over the Schwartzgrau in Winter and removed in the Spring. As the Battle of Stalingrad ended in February 3, 1943, schwartzgrau is the only likely camo colour of armour in Stalingrad (plus whitewash as appropriate).

It was only in February 1943 that the factory applied basecoat of armour was changed to dunkelgelb (dark yellow) for all new AFVs, with authorized disruptive patterns in Olivgrun (olivgreen) and/or shockoladenbraun (chocolate brown). New AFVs could be of dunkelgelb by itself or with 1 or 2 disruptive colours. Existing schwartzgrau AFVs were ordered not to be repainted in dunkelgelb, but were allowed to apply dunkelgelb patches and/or Olivgrun (olivgreen) and/or shockoladenbraun disruptive patterns. This resulted in a wide range of camo colours even among AFVs in the same unit.

After February 1943, all of the Stalingrad german schwartzgrau AFVs were partly repainted with a red star and whitewash slogans in cyrillic writing. :D

Terry
 
Looks good but I think the price will be way out of my price range.I like alot of the ideas you are bringing out and can see you are listening to collectors wants.Russian war a big yes from me.Simmo.
 
Phantom Warrior said:
Schwartzgrau (dark grey) was the factory base coat of all German armour until February 1943. There were no authorized disruptive camo colours. Whitewash was applied over the Schwartzgrau in Winter and removed in the Spring. As the Battle of Stalingrad ended in February 3, 1943, schwartzgrau is the only likely camo colour of armour in Stalingrad (plus whitewash as appropriate).

It was only in February 1943 that the factory applied basecoat of armour was changed to dunkelgelb (dark yellow) for all new AFVs, with authorized disruptive patterns in Olivgrun (olivgreen) and/or shockoladenbraun (chocolate brown). New AFVs could be of dunkelgelb by itself or with 1 or 2 disruptive colours. Existing schwartzgrau AFVs were ordered not to be repainted in dunkelgelb, but were allowed to apply dunkelgelb patches and/or Olivgrun (olivgreen) and/or shockoladenbraun disruptive patterns. This resulted in a wide range of camo colours even among AFVs in the same unit.

After February 1943, all of the Stalingrad german schwartzgrau AFVs were partly repainted with a red star and whitewash slogans in cyrillic writing. :D

Terry
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It appears that some vehicles originally destined for Africa with DAK color schemes were redirected to the eastern front. The color on FL's model does look like it could be RAL 8020 rather than 7028.
 
Phantom Warrior said:
Schwartzgrau (dark grey) was the factory base coat of all German armour until February 1943. There were no authorized disruptive camo colours. Whitewash was applied over the Schwartzgrau in Winter and removed in the Spring. As the Battle of Stalingrad ended in February 3, 1943, schwartzgrau is the only likely camo colour of armour in Stalingrad (plus whitewash as appropriate).

Terry
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Hi, Terry - please see below an excerpt from the excellent Achtung Panzer website....

"In addition, starting in spring of 1942, vehicles used in the southern parts of Russia, were often applied with tropical camouflage, similar or identical to those used in North Africa. In March of 1942, both colours used in North Africa were replaced by brown (dark sand) (RAL 8020) and dark (panzer) grey (RAL 7021)."

The master we showed was painted to reflect this use of brown/sand DAK colors in southern Russia....
 
FirstLegion said:
Hi, Terry - please see below an excerpt from the excellent Achtung Panzer website....

"In addition, starting in spring of 1942, vehicles used in the southern parts of Russia, were often applied with tropical camouflage, similar or identical to those used in North Africa. In March of 1942, both colours used in North Africa were replaced by brown (dark sand) (RAL 8020) and dark (panzer) grey (RAL 7021)."

The master we showed was painted to reflect this use of brown/sand DAK colors in southern Russia....
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I'm no expert, but I like what I see . . .
 
fmethorst said:
It appears that some vehicles originally destined for Africa with DAK color schemes were redirected to the eastern front. The color on FL's model does look like it could be RAL 8020 rather than 7028.
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Frank, I agree.

I have a rather light library on Stalingrad, something I will rectify with your good reading suggestions.

In the book, The Onslaught ' The German Drive to Stalingrad Documented in 150 Unpublished Color Photographs from the German Archive for Art and History ' there are 2 color photos of Stug III's, apparently taken on 15 October 1942 at the Tractor Factory in north Stalingrad. These Stug III's are indeed painted in the desert scheme. Infact the Stug's pictured in the book seem to show these AFV in a much lighter shade than the FL's color version. The photos also show these Stalingrad Stug III's as having just their Cannon Barrels painted in Dark Gray color ;)


Cheers
 
IXEC said:
Frank, I agree.

I have a rather light library on Stalingrad, something I will rectify with your good reading suggestions.

In the book, The Onslaught ' The German Drive to Stalingrad Documented in 150 Unpublished Color Photographs from the German Archive for Art and History ' there are 2 color photos of Stug III's, apparently taken on 15 October 1942 at the Tractor Factory in north Stalingrad. These Stug III's are indeed painted in the desert scheme. Infact the Stug's pictured in the book seem to show these AFV in a much lighter shade than the FL's color version. The photos also show these Stalingrad Stug III's as having just their Cannon Barrels painted in Dark Gray color ;)


Cheers
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I stand corrected. I thought the desert camo colours were mainly in Crete, Greece and in the Balkans. I knew there were some in the Ukaine and south Russia as well but did not know any had been used inside Stalingrad.

Terry
 
Phantom Warrior said:
I stand corrected. I thought the desert camo colours were mainly in Crete, Greece and in the Balkans. I knew there were some in the Ukaine and south Russia as well but did not know any had been used inside Stalingrad.

Terry
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Terry, I as well wasn't aware of this until Frank pointed it out.

Infact, when looking at the color of Stalingrad Stug's In my pictures I was completely baffled at just what it was, I was seeing. I've learned when it comes to the color of German AFV, the saying , never say never really does apply :)


Cheers
Paul
 
Rob said:
You know what, i think life is too short for arguing about Toy Soldiers.We are totally spoilt for choice as collectors right now,so much good stuff out there for us all.Yesterday myself and James took our normal spin round the show and everywhere we went we could have spent thousands.I'm not going to name any other companies on this thread,so i'll stick to FL.The paint job on the uniforms,faces and equip was just fantastic.The finish on the German helmets was spot on,torn and faded uniforms was awsome and really added to realism.I think we should just celebrate the fact we have such great companies in the market instead of dividing ourselves into factions.Honestly guys walking round the show i could have happily been a flag waver for about ten different producers.:)

Rob
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Well said Rob, I'm just sorry I did not make the show, ah well maybe one day!
 
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