First Legion Stug III Ausf F/8 (1 Viewer)

[BrianW]

Thanks Paul.

 

[IXEC]

Frank, I agree.

I have a rather light library on Stalingrad, something I will rectify with your good reading suggestions.

In the book, The Onslaught ' The German Drive to Stalingrad Documented in 150 Unpublished Color Photographs from the German Archive for Art and History ' there are 2 color photos of Stug III's, apparently taken on 15 October 1942 at the Tractor Factory in north Stalingrad. These Stug III's are indeed painted in the desert scheme. Infact the Stug's pictured in the book seem to show these AFV in a much lighter shade than the FL's color version. The photos also show these Stalingrad Stug III's as having just their Cannon Barrels painted in Dark Gray color


Cheers

One detail note about the Dark Gray cannon barrel, only the Barrel and Muzzle Break and not the Mantle are paint in DG.




Cheers

 

[Nick Nasta]

This is a beauty Matt.
Why don't you send me a couple and we will promote it for you.

Regards,

Nick
Battle Scene Productions
www.battlesceneproductions.net

Ok, in the vein of "talk" being cheap, here you go...........

Caveats....
1. This is NOT the final model. Many details are missing.
2. Because of 1. I won't anwer any questions.
3. If any K&C or HB or Figarti vehicles are this good, I'll eat my hat.

Oh, you want to see the BEST part? Well. wait for it...........


Scroll down...........














A bit more.........

Yeah, that's right, the crew are FULL figures....Dispaly them inside the tank or display them outside.


Seriously, if there is anything better available, please point it out to me.

Regards,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Frank, I agree.

I have a rather light library on Stalingrad, something I will rectify with your good reading suggestions.

In the book, The Onslaught ' The German Drive to Stalingrad Documented in 150 Unpublished Color Photographs from the German Archive for Art and History ' there are 2 color photos of Stug III's, apparently taken on 15 October 1942 at the Tractor Factory in north Stalingrad. These Stug III's are indeed painted in the desert scheme. Infact the Stug's pictured in the book seem to show these AFV in a much lighter shade than the FL's color version. The photos also show these Stalingrad Stug III's as having just their Cannon Barrels painted in Dark Gray color


Cheers

Could you give me the Author and ISBN number. I couldn't find it at chapters online.

Terry

 

[IXEC]

Could you give me the Author and ISBN number. I couldn't find it at chapters online.

Terry

Sure thing Terry,


ISBN 0-393-01939-X

The book is a translation from the German title.. Der Uberfall

There is no Author..

Introduction by Heinrich, Graf von Einsiedel.

Foreword by Max Hastings.

It is a rare out of print book.

First published in Germany in 1984 & In the U.S. 1985

Hope that helps......



Cheers

 

[IXEC]

This is a beauty Matt.
Why don't you send me a couple and we will promote it for you.

Regards,

Nick
Battle Scene Productions
www.battlesceneproductions.net

Ha..Ha..good one Nick, good luck

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Sure thing Terry,


ISBN 0-393-01939-X

The book is a translation from the German title.. Der Uberfall

There is no Author..

Introduction by Heinrich, Graf von Einsiedel.

Foreword by Max Hastings.

It is a rare out of print book.

First published in Germany in 1984 & In the U.S. 1985

Hope that helps......



Cheers

Thanks. There are several available online.

Terry

 

[fmethorst]

Frank, I agree.

I have a rather light library on Stalingrad, something I will rectify with your good reading suggestions.

In the book, The Onslaught ' The German Drive to Stalingrad Documented in 150 Unpublished Color Photographs from the German Archive for Art and History ' there are 2 color photos of Stug III's, apparently taken on 15 October 1942 at the Tractor Factory in north Stalingrad. These Stug III's are indeed painted in the desert scheme. Infact the Stug's pictured in the book seem to show these AFV in a much lighter shade than the FL's color version. The photos also show these Stalingrad Stug III's as having just their Cannon Barrels painted in Dark Gray color

Cheers

Hi Paul,

Is this one of the pictures you have in color?

Clearly this StuG is not RAL 7021. This is a picture of long barreled StuG from Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 245 taken on October 16 in the southern sector of the Barrikady Gun Factory.

Isn't it interesting that the unit emblem on FL's StuG appears to be from...you guessed it, Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 245.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Sturmgeschutzeinheiten/Sturmgeschutzabteilung245.htm

In browsing through some of my color pictures from 1942 in Russia I came across this beauty. Note the Kubelwagen. This also demonstrates how RAL 7021 was a very dark grey.

 

[Capitolron]

Matt

Congratulations - Very Nice Tank - wonderful detail.

Ron

 

[IXEC]

Hi Paul,

Is this one of the pictures you have in color?

Clearly this StuG is not RAL 7021. This is a picture of long barreled StuG from Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 245 taken on October 16 in the southern sector of the Barrikady Gun Factory.

Isn't it interesting that the unit emblem on FL's StuG appears to be from...you guessed it, Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 245.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Sturmgeschutzeinheiten/Sturmgeschutzabteilung245.htm

In browsing through some of my color pictures from 1942 in Russia I came across this beauty. Note the Kubelwagen. This also demonstrates how RAL 7021 was a very dark grey.

Thank's Frank for those fantastic photos...

But no, my color photo is not the tank in your B&W photo. The color picture I'm looking at is of somewhat poor quality because it's small. It shading is lighter than the color photo you provided of the group AFV's, notably in the skies color. But it may be from the same series of photos. This needs more study.

My color photo Stug has the large storage box on the rear deck like FL's example. But the shading of the Stug in your photo has the same bright hue as my Stug's.

It looks like this color blends in perfect with the plaster of the surrounding buildings.

My photo is small...It's the gun barrel color that throwing me of. Maybe it's a new replacement barrel that is unpainted, or the shadowing it affecting the photo.

Boy I need to get a new scanner...I'll work on this.

Cheers,
Paul

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Hi Paul,

Is this one of the pictures you have in color?

Clearly this StuG is not RAL 7021. This is a picture of long barreled StuG from Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 245 taken on October 16 in the southern sector of the Barrikady Gun Factory.

Isn't it interesting that the unit emblem on FL's StuG appears to be from...you guessed it, Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 245.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Sturmgeschutzeinheiten/Sturmgeschutzabteilung245.htm

In browsing through some of my color pictures from 1942 in Russia I came across this beauty. Note the Kubelwagen. This also demonstrates how RAL 7021 was a very dark grey.

Interresting photos, especially the colour photo a the group which clearly shows what camo the vehicles are. The B&W photo of the Stug is overexposed and with the info lost due to the overexposure, can't tell what colour it is. If it wasn't for the summer uniforms, the Stug could even be white.

Do you have any more colour photos? the one of the group is one of the best I have seen.

Terry

 

[FirstLegion]

Clearly this StuG is not RAL 7021. This is a picture of long barreled StuG from Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 245 taken on October 16 in the southern sector of the Barrikady Gun Factory.

Isn't it interesting that the unit emblem on FL's StuG appears to be from...you guessed it, Sturmgeschütz-Abteilung 245.

It is interesting isn't it?

This is a great image of an upgunned Stug III Ausf F (note tow cable setup and headlamps which distinguish it from the F/8). What's even interesting, however, is note the height of the man next to the Stug. This image shows very well about how tall a person is next to a stug. For what it's worth, our Stug is exactly 1/30th scale (Scaling an AFV is much easier than scaling a figure as AFVs don't have helmets, bases, or genetic height differences) and our figures are pretty much exactly this tall against it. AFV's aren't as small as you would think they are if you get your history from toy soldier figures and vehicles.

Great images Frank.

Best,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

 

[OzDigger]

You agreed that your figures are only 60mm in overall height, which by most standards makes them 1/32 scale.

Subsequently you said the models were exactly 1/30 scale.

Wouldn't the models be 1/32 rather than 1/30 scale if your figures match them in size the same as in real life per the photo you supplied below?

It is interesting isn't it?

This is a great image of an upgunned Stug III Ausf F (note tow cable setup and headlamps which distinguish it from the F/8). What's even interesting, however, is note the height of the man next to the Stug. This image shows very well about how tall a person is next to a stug. For what it's worth, our Stug is exactly 1/30th scale (Scaling an AFV is much easier than scaling a figure as AFVs don't have helmets, bases, or genetic height differences) and our figures are pretty much exactly this tall against it. AFV's aren't as small as you would think they are if you get your history from toy soldier figures and vehicles.

Great images Frank.

Best,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

 

[FirstLegion]

You agreed that your figures are only 60mm in overall height, which by most standards makes them 1/32 scale.

Subsequently you said the models were exactly 1/30 scale.

Wouldn't the models be 1/32 rather than 1/30 scale if your figures match them in size the same as in real life per the photo you supplied below?

Sigh. I guess you know more about our products than I do. Unlike figure scale, vehicle scale is an exact science and our Stug is exactly 1/30th scale. Perhaps it's the bases/helmets that make the figures match the vehicles so well.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Sigh. I guess you know more about our products than I do. Unlike figure scale, vehicle scale is an exact science and our Stug is exactly 1/30th scale. Perhaps it's the bases/helmets that make the figures match the vehicles so well.

Maybe you could do a very limited edition with scale feet / meter marks. You could call it the special Polemical version.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Maybe you could do a very limited edition with scale feet / meter marks. You could call it the special Polemical version.

Very good. But they would just argue about whether the thickness of the marks was included in the measurements.

It will all be resolved once someone buys an FL Stug with figures and puts it beside a K&C/CS Stug with figures and takes a few photos. It would be hilarious if the Stugs turned out to all be the same size. Whatever would they do with all of the split hairs then?

Terry

 

[Spitfrnd]

.... Whatever would they do with all of the split hairs then?

Terry

Make a shirt perhaps?

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Make a shirt perhaps?

A hair shirt as a sign of repentance and atonement?

Terry

 

[OzDigger]

Sigh. I guess you know more about our products than I do. Unlike figure scale, vehicle scale is an exact science and our Stug is exactly 1/30th scale. Perhaps it's the bases/helmets that make the figures match the vehicles so well.

Your models may well be 1/30 scale. And based on the photos I've seen of the model(s) with the figures the models do look close to 1/30 as the figures look too small to me.

Your company would not be the first to make figures and models in slightly different scales so please don't think that I'm picking on First Legion. It just seemed to me you are going to some lengths to suggest they are exactly the same scale. And if this is not the case I imagine there will be some upset collectors in due course.

 

[Blowtorch]

Hi Terry, there was a discussion of Russia '42 colors in this thread:

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10753&highlight=spiegel

If you look for my post on the German magazine "Spiegel", it will lead you to the color photos.

Southern Russia in 1942 was really an anything goes time in terms of painting. There are other books which have lesser known photos from veterans collections of this time period, & it is true camouflage anarchy!