Jack the Ripper-your suspects (2 Viewers)

[Rob]

Ok guys I know its not military but I was wondering if any of you know much about this legendary killer and whether you have any favourite suspects.From Royals to royal doctors,from Butchers to freemasons,or just a plain nutjob.I find this series of crimes and the era they are set in although so gruesome very interesting and I love the whole dark underbelly of British society cheek by jowel with the shocked upper classes in London.Fascinating stuff.

Rob

 

[UKReb]

Suspect Number 1:- The Duke of York-later to become King George V and his coach was driven by a young Lt Douglas Haig.

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[Louis Badolato]

On a plane a few years ago, I read a book by Patricia Cornwell called Portrait of a Killer: Jack the Ripper Case Closed. She made a pretty compelling case that the artist Walter Sickert was Jack the Ripper.

 

[Louis Badolato]

Suspect Number 1:- The Duke of York-later to become King George V and his coach was driven by a young Lt Douglas Haig.

Reb

That might explain how he kept his job after the Somme. He had serious dirt on the king that prevented him from being sacked.

 

[UKReb]

That might explain how he kept his job after the Somme. He had serious dirt on the king that prevented him from being sacked.

Louis

You got it in one-remember where you heard it first

Bob

 

[Rob]

Suspect Number 1:- The Duke of York-later to become King George V and his coach was driven by a young Lt Douglas Haig.

Reb

He had to go through the east end Bob, the French were putting pressure on him

Rob

 

[Rob]

On a plane a few years ago, I read a book by Patricia Cornwell called Portrait of a Killer: Jack the Ripper Case Closed. She made a pretty compelling case that the artist Walter Sickert was Jack the Ripper.

Yes there was a tv docu about this sometime back,very interesting suggestion.

Rob

 

[damian]

Joseph Silver
A Polish Jewish immigrant to London who ran prostitutes in New York, Johannesburg, Cape Town and South America. He was in London at the time and had a violent misogynist background. It would never have been a Royal.The killer knew his way around Whitechapel
Book to read is "The Fox and The Flies" by Charles van Onselen.

 

[UKReb]

He had to go through the east end Bob, the French were putting pressure on him

Rob

Got an idea Rob that it was Whitechapel where he first became obsessed with the "Big Push"

Bob

 

[UKReb]

It would never have been a Royal.The killer knew his way around Whitechapel

And so did Edward VII and all of his sons

 

[Rob]

Got an idea Rob that it was Whitechapel where he first became obsessed with the "Big Push"

Bob

So I don't want to know where Plumer got his 'Bite and Hold' from then!

Rob

 

[UKReb]

Rob

Funny you should bring this subject up but after the London show last June (as you know we always make a week-end of it) on the Sunday morning I took my good lady to Petticoat Lane & Old Spitalfields. She is a well bred Devon girl and knows absolutely nothing about the seedy side of Victorian London

Finding ourselves on Commercial Street I said come on let's get a drink in Jack the Ripper pub having to explain it was originally called The Ten Bells and is the very pub that Mary Kelly (Ripper's last victim) took her last drink in on her last night on earth.

Imagine my surprise that the pub's name has been changed back to The Ten Bells by order of the brewery-but still a great atmospheric Victorian pub with bags of Ripper memorabilia on the walls. Trudi found it eerie

Bob

 

[Rob]

Rob

Funny you should bring this subject up but after the London show last June (as you know we always make a week-end of it) on the Sunday morning I took my good lady to Petticoat Lane & Old Spitalfields. She is a well bred Devon girl and knows absolutely nothing about the seedy side of Victorian London


Finding ourselves on Commercial Street I said come on let's get a drink in Jack the Ripper pub having to explain it was originally called The Ten Bells and is the very pub that Mary Kelly (Ripper's last victim) took her last drink in on her last night on earth.

Imagine my surprise that the pub's name has been changed back to The Ten Bells by order of the brewery-but still a great atmospheric Victorian pub with bags of Ripper memorabilia on the walls. Trudi found it eerie

Bob

Sounds like a good trip to the local Bob!. Along with the 'Blind Beggar' must be one of Londons most famous. We had a guide at the museum who was a Beefeater at the tower, he also had a sideline as a 'Ripper walk' guide, have never done it yet as the missus doesn't like the idea, but must do one day.

Rob

 

[damian]

There are over 100 possible suspects as to who was the Ripper.
Personally I doubt it was an upper class person, but am willing to be corrected.
Do yourselves a favour and read von Onselen's book.
He is a respected social historian who has researched the origins of prison gangs in SA, the life of share croppers in the Transvaal and has new book which I have not read about highway robbers in the pre-Boer war Transvaal, Seems many were Irish deserters from the British army garrison in PMB.
The Fox and the Flies is a fascinating account of "white slavery" during the late Victorian era. It is pretty hair raising stuff. He ran brothels and prostitution rings on four continents.
I agree that saying he is the ripper is speculation but the book is a real insight into the sordid underbelly of the Atlantic in the late 19 th and early 20 th century.

 

[Louis Badolato]

Rob

Funny you should bring this subject up but after the London show last June (as you know we always make a week-end of it) on the Sunday morning I took my good lady to Petticoat Lane & Old Spitalfields. She is a well bred Devon girl and knows absolutely nothing about the seedy side of Victorian London

Finding ourselves on Commercial Street I said come on let's get a drink in Jack the Ripper pub having to explain it was originally called The Ten Bells and is the very pub that Mary Kelly (Ripper's last victim) took her last drink in on her last night on earth.

Imagine my surprise that the pub's name has been changed back to The Ten Bells by order of the brewery-but still a great atmospheric Victorian pub with bags of Ripper memorabilia on the walls. Trudi found it eerie

Bob

Bob,

When I took my then girlfriend, now wife, Meredith, to London (where I popped the question at around 3:00 a.m. Greenwich Mean Time - another story entirely) all she talked about wanting to do was go to "the London Dungeon" and see recreations of Jack the Ripper and his victims. When I took her, she found it very eirie as well.

Whoever the Ripper was, he was either killed, imprisoned, or moved elsewhere to kill again after the last London victim. Serial Killers just don't stop.

 

[lancer]

So I don't want to know where Plumer got his 'Bite and Hold' from then!

Rob

Why, from Bram Stoker's "Dracula", of course. -- Al

 

[Mitch]

Everyone who has been linked with it has by some historian or other respected or not been dispelled just as quickly.

I suspect that if it were possible to know who really did it everyone would go.... Who?
Mitch

 

[OzDigger]

Suspect Number 1:- The Duke of York-later to become King George V and his coach was driven by a young Lt Douglas Haig.

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Case closed

 

[trooper]

The best suspect so far would appear to be Tumbelty, or Timulty (various versions of the name are given), an American who Scotland Yard were very interested in. He left for America and the Yard sent detectives after him.There was a lot of circumstancial evidence to link him to the crimes and he stands out as a very good suspect.

 

[Rob]

The best suspect so far would appear to be Tumbelty, or Timulty (various versions of the name are given), an American who Scotland Yard were very interested in. He left for America and the Yard sent detectives after him.There was a lot of circumstancial evidence to link him to the crimes and he stands out as a very good suspect.

Yes I think he makes a very good suspect indeed. I remember a tv docu that put forward the case for him, it included descriptions of dinner parties he gave with the diners eating at the table surrounded by jars containing female body parts,charming, suddenly Gordon Ramsey doesn't seem so bad!. William Gull the Royal family doctor was suspected in an ITV Drama starring Michael Caine back in the eighties and of course Albert Victor Victoria's granson was also suspected, but I think it was later proven he was in Scotland during some of the murders.

Rob