July 20, 1969 (3 Viewers)

[Scott]

 

[wayne556517]

But did it really happen....................{eek3}:wink2:^&grin^&grin

 

[marco55]

I believe it did.If it didn't I'm sure the Russians would have known it wasn't true and would have let the world know loud and clear.
Mark

 

[Mitch]

I wonder if it did. I have read a few very well put together documents that cast doubt on getting there at that time. If they did then its a technological marvel and thanks should be given to the German scientists and the V weapons that were light years ahead of anything the west dreamt of.
Mitch

 

[wayne556517]

So true mate Wernher Magnus Maximilian, Freiherr von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977) was a German rocket engineer and space architect. He was one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in Germany during World War II and, subsequently, in the United States. He is credited as being the "Father of Rocket Science".

 

[BLReed]

Well, those days are gone for good.

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[Terp152]

So true mate Wernher Magnus Maximilian, Freiherr von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977) was a German rocket engineer and space architect. He was one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in Germany during World War II and, subsequently, in the United States. He is credited as being the "Father of Rocket Science".

Always thought that title belonged to Robert Goddard. He was launching rockets in the '20s while Von Braun was still sharpening his pencils in school. Chris

 

[Mitch]

I always associated Goddard with the early bazooka. Yes he was doing what you said however, he died in 45 and the US scurried Braun and his colleagues away to safety and, the rest is history in terms of what we are talking about.
Mitch

So true mate Wernher Magnus Maximilian, Freiherr von Braun (March 23, 1912 – June 16, 1977) was a German rocket engineer and space architect. He was one of the leading figures in the development of rocket technology in Germany during World War II and, subsequently, in the United States. He is credited as being the "Father of Rocket Science".

Always thought that title belonged to Robert Goddard. He was launching rockets in the '20s while Von Braun was still sharpening his pencils in school. Chris

 

[jazzeum]

I believe you are both right; although Von Braun made important, key contributions, Gooddard is considered the Father of modern rocket propulsion.

 

[Rutledge]

I wonder if it did. I have read a few very well put together documents that cast doubt on getting there at that time. If they did then its a technological marvel and thanks should be given to the German scientists and the V weapons that were light years ahead of anything the west dreamt of.
Mitch

AH yes, american ingenuity, teamwork, organizational talents and technical and engineering proficiency were of purely secondary value, quite certainly, and no doubt the Yanks just stood about and picked their noses as the Krauts did all the heavy lifting.

And thank goodness indeed for the Germans, never mind the incredibly courageous efforts of the fellas who actaully had the nads to get on top of the g++d*** rocket and land on the big rock. But by all means, lets say thanks to the lab coated....Germans!

Or, of course, peraps it was one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on the entire world. Seems likely doesnt it, as there would have been 100s if not 1000s of particiapants involved in pulling off such a scam, and it certainly seems more than plausible that all these years later not one has come forward to expose the lies and make a buck or two. Yes yes, completely and totally likely, I couldnt agree more.....

 

[Mitch]

Even US scientists admitted they were far behind the Germans when they started working with them. If they were not so advanced do you think the US would have scooped them away.? Could have let the russki's have them. Simply they were desperately needed as the Germans were technologically superior to the western allies. If not Braun would have been at Nuremburg for screaming for more slave labourers to build his projects.

Hope all that eye rolling has not made you a little dizzy??LOL
Mitch

AH yes, american ingenuity, teamwork, organizational talents and technical and engineering proficiency were of purely secondary value, quite certainly, and no doubt the Yanks just stood about and picked their noses as the Krauts did all the heavy lifting.

And thank goodness indeed for the Germans, never mind the incredibly courageous efforts of the fellas who actaully had the nads to get on top of the g++d*** rocket and land on the big rock. But by all means, lets say thanks to the lab coated....Germans!

Or, of course, peraps it was one of the greatest frauds ever perpetrated on the entire world. Seems likely doesnt it, as there would have been 100s if not 1000s of particiapants involved in pulling off such a scam, and it certainly seems more than plausible that all these years later not one has come forward to expose the lies and make a buck or two. Yes yes, completely and totally likely, I couldnt agree more.....

 

[BLReed]

Even US scientists admitted they were far behind the Germans when they started working with them......

True, but then US Scientists had very little incentive. The US Government wasn't funding projects
to kill, deport, or enslave the Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Jewish, and other Slavic populations, deemed
inferior, and to repopulate the world with a master race.

 

[Rutledge]

Even US scientists admitted they were far behind the Germans when they started working with them. If they were not so advanced do you think the US would have scooped them away.? Could have let the russki's have them. Simply they were desperately needed as the Germans were technologically superior to the western allies. If not Braun would have been at Nuremburg for screaming for more slave labourers to build his projects.

Hope all that eye rolling has not made you a little dizzy??LOL
Mitch

Desperately needed the Germans were, ah yes. Perhaps then, instead of the American flag, our lame brained astronauts should have planted the German flag on the moon? Or even a nazi one? I mean to "thank" the Krauts for getting us there it would surely have been the right thing to do. (dont have enough eye rolls for that one)

I may be remiss, do we also owe the Krauts for Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Surely us pitifully untalented Americans couldnt have developed ground breaking technology all by our pathetical little selves.

I forget, was it the Ameicans who bailed out the Brits, or vice versa? The memory gets a little foggy in my advanced years.....

 

[Mitch]

I think I have replied to a thread with facts about the US need for German brains after WWII in terms of the rocket programme. It seems some have taken this as some slight against the US when its a historical fact.

Was the segregation of the blacks not a master race move? German POW's could roam freely attend cinema's and restaurants yet Black people could not. one master race decides to kill the other segregate and oppress. Were the UK a master race enslaving half the world? You bet we were. Please tell me though that no blacks were killed in the US while Germany was eradicating the European jews.
Mitch

True, but then US Scientists had very little incentive. The US Government wasn't funding projects
to kill, deport, or enslave the Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Jewish, and other Slavic populations, deemed
inferior, and to repopulate the world with a master race.

 

[Rutledge]

I think I have replied to a thread with facts about the US need for German brains after WWII in terms of the rocket programme. It seems some have taken this as some slight against the US when its a historical fact.

Was the segregation of the blacks not a master race move? German POW's could roam freely attend cinema's and restaurants yet Black people could not. one master race decides to kill the other segregate and oppress. Were the UK a master race enslaving half the world? You bet we were. Please tell me though that no blacks were killed in the US while Germany was eradicating the European jews.
Mitch

You just jumped the shark. By-Bye.

 

[BLReed]

........ Please tell me though that no blacks were killed in the US while Germany was eradicating the European jews.

Not six million of them, plus another twenty million. Key word here is eradicating.

 

[Poppo]

Not six million of them, plus another twenty million. Key word here is eradicating.

Stalin is the winner ever with six million ukrainians starved to death in the late thirties, and roughly 10, 15 millions considering the "gulag" starvations, executions and other kind of annihilations, deads during the deportations ( POW, eastern populations) from the 20ies till 1953.



PS: Twenty million....Do you mean killed by the germans during ww2? How do you get this number? And how many soldiers, how many civilians? It s normal to kill enemy soldiers in a war. And also allied killed a huge number of civilians ( especially the russians, but also the western allied in revenge bombings on the civilian quarters of german cities).

Mitch forgot the indians eradicated in the US during 300 years and sistematically annihilated phisically, and psychologically.

 

[damian]

And this thread will be closed
in 10, 9 , 8

 

[Scott]

I think I have replied to a thread with facts about the US need for German brains after WWII in terms of the rocket programme. It seems some have taken this as some slight against the US when its a historical fact.

Was the segregation of the blacks not a master race move? German POW's could roam freely attend cinema's and restaurants yet Black people could not. one master race decides to kill the other segregate and oppress. Were the UK a master race enslaving half the world? You bet we were. Please tell me though that no blacks were killed in the US while Germany was eradicating the European jews.
Mitch

It was more of a policy of economic enslavement rather than eradication . Low wages and keep one group of poor people enforcing the system on other poor people with some myth of a superior race.

 

[jazzeum]

I don't understand how a thread celebrating the culmination of the goal of the space program could become so vituperative. It took many people to accomplish this feat, Americans, Germans and many other nationalities.

I was living in Madrid at the time and remember watching it on TV. It was a stunning achievement.