KING TIGER tank question? (1 Viewer)

[wayne556517]

"Fear is the path to the Dark Side. Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering."

YODA

Funny YODA was small and over rated as well.........................^&grin

 

[Rob]

Wayne,

I think TCS King Tigers go perfectly with K&C figures. I use them with my K&C figures a lot and think they give the correct massive impression that a real King Tiger gave on the battlefield.

I very much agree Duke, hope you don't mind me adding one of mine here;

 

[jbonzo1]

I very much agree Duke, hope you don't mind me adding one of mine here;

Great shot Rob.

 

[Rob]

Great shot Rob.

Thank you:smile2:

Rob

 

[Firebat]

Rob


Thanks for proving my point, the figures in your scene look big and gloppy, the guns are a nightmare, the scene is an excellent setup and the tank looks incredible, but the figures bring a toyishness to a well thought out scene.


To my eye the scene below is more in scale and refined with the TGM figure.

This discusion is not about manufacturer loyalty I am talking upscale diorama making, no matter who the manufacturer is and remaining flexible and open minded as various manufacturers bring new products to the table . Being loyal to a manufacturer will never move you forward, keeping a sharp eye for detail will.

But in the end I will be happy with my TGM and FL and you will enjoy your K&C....Funny Hobby isn't it. We all have eyes to see, but we all see it so differently.

So if I am asked for an opinion by a fellow modeler / collector I will always do my best to convey my best experience and knowledge.

 

[OzDigger]

From the left we have similar poses of TCS, K&C and TGM. TGM are slightly taller figures and a tad slimmer in the face than TCS and K & C figs however there's not much difference between them and they mix ok in the same dio. As we all know FL WW2 figs are smaller than their other ranges which vary as much as most other TS companies and I was surprised Firebat/Alex suggests they suit TGM figs.

The TCS King Tiger is an excellent model and blends well with TCS figures as well as K & C and TGM figures.

 

[Firebat]

From the left we have similar poses of TCS, K&C and TGM. TGM are slightly taller figures and a tad slimmer in the face than TCS and K & C figs however there's not much difference between them and they mix ok in the same dio. As we all know FL WW2 figs are smaller than their other ranges which vary as much as most other TS companies and I was surprised Firebat/Alex suggests they suit TGM figs.

The TCS King Tiger is an excellent model and blends well with TCS figures as well as K & C and TGM figures.

I Never said the K&C figures didnt work. Digest the entire conversation not just certain passages. I also speak of price point and overall detail. Figarti and TCS work also. I just said for various reasons I think the TGM look best.

MY perference may be different than others. I am loyal to no manufacturer, I experiment and try all of the new products I can. I am currently doing a USAF diorama with ALL K&C products, because their figures fit well with their aircraft.

I am not a groupie for any manufacturer and I am flexible. I do what looks best to my eye in each project. This also helps my collecting as I set parameters for myself. I currently dont by any K&C figures with guns but I do buy others, I like TCS's action poses but they are generally larger than most, so I dontusually buy them and Figarti Figures are erratic so I dont usually buy them. That kind of leaves TGM and FL. This works for ME.

Here is Figarti, they look good too. These particular figures worked very well note their size as compared to the pic you posted with K&C and TGM. So there are always exceptions.

 

[OzDigger]

I Never said the K&C figures didnt work. Digest the entire conversation not just certain passages. I also speak of price point and overall detail. Figarti and TCS work also. I just said for various reasons I think the TGM look best.

MY perference may be different than others. I am loyal to no manufacturer, I experiment and try all of the new products I can. I am currently doing a USAF diorama with ALL K&C products, because their figures fit well with their aircraft.

I am not a groupie for any manufacturer and I am flexible. I do what looks best to my eye in each project. This also helps my collecting as I set parameters for myself. I currently dont by any K&C figures with guns but I do buy others, I like TCS's action poses but they are generally larger than most, so I dontusually buy them and Figarti Figures are erratic so I dont usually buy them. That kind of leaves TGM and FL. This works for ME.

Here is Figarti, they look good too. These particular figures worked very well note their size as compared to the pic you posted with K&C and TGM. So there are always exceptions.

Alex, I never said that you said that K & C figures didn't work ^&confuse

I posted my photo of a K & C figure together with a similar TCS figure and a TGM figure in front of a TCS King Tiger in response to Wayne's initial query on this thread. Which was; "I was just wondering how these (TCS King Tiger) look with K&C figures are they BIG? I like TCS vehicles but i want it to be huge next to figures thanks." I think the photo demonstrates that K & C figures do fit well with TCS vehicles as do TGM and TCS figs.

For some reason you decided to drag First Legion figures into the mix. Why? I don't know as it's well known First Legion WW2 figures are on the small end of the currently confused 1/30 scale spectrum. You said you like to use TGM and FL figures. I agree that FL have excellent detail but they are small figures compared to the other 1/30 figures and as TGM figures are LARGE 1/30 guys I wondered how you display them with FL figs. Do you put the small FL figures in the background to provide more depth perspective?

BTW, you are not the only person that tells it like it is, nor are you the only modeller or ex-modeller on the forum.

 

[Firebat]

Alex, I never said that you said that K & C figures didn't work ^&confuse

I posted my photo of a K & C figure together with a similar TCS figure and a TGM figure in front of a TCS King Tiger in response to Wayne's initial query on this thread. Which was; "I was just wondering how these (TCS King Tiger) look with K&C figures are they BIG? I like TCS vehicles but i want it to be huge next to figures thanks." I think the photo demonstrates that K & C figures do fit well with TCS vehicles as do TGM and TCS figs.

For some reason you decided to drag First Legion figures into the mix. Why? I don't know as it's well known First Legion WW2 figures are on the small end of the currently confused 1/30 scale spectrum. You said you like to use TGM and FL figures. I agree that FL have excellent detail but they are small figures compared to the other 1/30 figures and as TGM figures are LARGE 1/30 guys I wondered how you display them with FL figs. Do you put the small FL figures in the background to provide more depth perspective?

BTW, you are not the only person that tells it like it is, nor are you the only modeller or ex-modeller on the forum.

I brought First Legion in to show that I have nothing against K&C and FL Figures work well with some K&C AFV's. I just dont like the big guns on K&C's figures, I wish they would correct that.

AND....

My two favorite combos are TGM Figures with TCS AFV's

FL Figures with Figarti and some K&C AFV's ( I also have a LITTLE problem with the K&C muddy treads )


Thats about it

Best
Alex

 

[OzDigger]

I brought First Legion in to show that I have nothing against K&C and FL Figures work well with some K&C AFV's. I just dont like the big guns on K&C's figures, I wish they would correct that.

AND....

My two favorite combos are TGM Figures with TCS AFV's

FL Figures with Figarti and some K&C AFV's ( I also have a LITTLE problem with the K&C muddy treads )


Thats about it

Best
Alex

You say you brought First Legion in to show you had nothing against K & C ^&confuse

Fair enough but it seemed like an unwarranted complication to me as one of the reasons I started buying TCS sets was to get away from the K & C fanatics V First Legion fanatics scene and I'm sure I'm not the only person with that in mind. Despite what some members may think I have never been on any 'side' other than trying to see better quality products with figures in proportion to their vehicles. As you know TCS is the only company that has increased the size of its vehicles to better complement their figures, as usual this idea wont please every collector but I'm happy they did it. Can't say I'm happy about everything TCS does, but at least they did that right, imo of course.

 

[Firebat]

You say you brought First Legion in to show you had nothing against K & C ^&confuse

Fair enough but it seemed like an unwarranted complication to me as one of the reasons I started buying TCS sets was to get away from the K & C fanatics V First Legion fanatics scene and I'm sure I'm not the only person with that in mind. Despite what some members may think I have never been on any 'side' other than trying to see better quality products with figures in proportion to their vehicles. As you know TCS is the only company that has increased the size of its vehicles to better complement their figures, as usual this idea wont please every collector but I'm happy they did it. Can't say I'm happy about everything TCS does, but at least they did that right, imo of course.

I agree TCS did a great service for sure, because prior to them making their AFV's bigger, technically there was no AFV's that you could use with main stream figures to get the proper proportion.

Once again I mentioned FL because I like their figures, and as we know they are expensive along with their AFV's. So when I found out that some other manufacturers AFV's actually worked with their figures I was happy. Now I could use the main stream AFV's with them and get good proportion.

I got into this hobby because I didnt want to build models any more, but of course plastic models have great detail and refinement. Some stuff that is being put out by the Toy Soldier manufacturers as of late has remarkable detail, that is why I experiment and try to seek out the best combinations that bring in the most proportion and detail where possible.

All of the manufacturers have their strong and weak points that is why combining the best assets of the individual manufacturers in a scene produces impressive results. And of course budget comes into play also.

That is why I said I am not loyal to any manufacturer I use all of them to my best advantage. But as I continue experimenting I am gaining favorite combinations.

 

[OzDigger]

I agree TCS did a great service for sure, because prior to them making their AFV's bigger, technically there was no AFV's that you could use with main stream figures to get the proper proportion.

Once again I mentioned FL because I like their figures, and as we know they are expensive along with their AFV's. So when I found out that some other manufacturers AFV's actually worked with their figures I was happy. Now I could use the main stream AFV's with them and get good proportion.

I got into this hobby because I didnt want to build models any more, but of course plastic models have great detail and refinement. Some stuff that is being put out by the Toy Soldier manufacturers as of late has remarkable detail, that is why I experiment and try to seek out the best combinations that bring in the most proportion and detail where possible.

All of the manufacturers have their strong and weak points that is why combining the best assets of the individual manufacturers in a scene produces impressive results. And of course budget comes into play also.

That is why I said I am not loyal to any manufacturer I use all of them to my best advantage. But as I continue experimenting I am gaining favorite combinations.

Thanks for the clarification Alex. Getting back to the TCS King Tiger, like some other collectors have mentioned before, I'm not happy with the brighter Green that TCS have used on their Normandy AFV's and wondered if you had tried out some methods of making the Green less vivid. I was thinking of trying a wash or similar to reduce the brightness, like the dusty appearance of their Normandy Ambush JP (CS00549), which is among their best AFV models imo.

 

[Firebat]

Thanks for the clarification Alex. Getting back to the TCS King Tiger, like some other collectors have mentioned before, I'm not happy with the brighter Green that TCS have used on their Normandy AFV's and wondered if you had tried out some methods of making the Green less vivid. I was thinking of trying a wash or similar to reduce the brightness, like the dusty appearance of their Normandy Ambush JP (CS00549), which is among their best AFV models imo.

OZ

Absolutely......AK Products washes etc make it super easy. The Tiger below is a winter job, but look at the turret. That does not have the winter treatment yet, that is just the wash.

TCS's AFV's are a Grand Slam they are priced right, the right size and with some very minor work they give a killer result.

Just getting back to the size thing again. It is funny................

If you want proper proportion. You can't use TCS Figures with TCS AFV's.........You cant use K&C figures with K&C AFV's.......You cant use TGM Figures with TGM AFV's and you cant use Figarti Figures with Figarti AFV's. This is what I mean between the collector mentality VS the old time modeler mentality. The pure collectors are satisfied with anything and for the most part it looks OK. But if you are a true modeler you look a little deeper, this is where I am coming from and the members of the International Society of Battleground Artists ( Check our Facebook page, Technical Forum and Website ).

Taking this hobby to a new level, which attempts to rival the 1/35th scale plastic model hobby.

Disclaimer..I have no affiliation with any manufacturer mentioned in this post. These are MY findings.




A well done plastic model



My end result...Good enough for me without extreme rivet counting and hours of work...Thanks Brian for giving us these beasts to work with

 

[Firebat]

I just wanted to mention one more thing.

There are exceptions to my post above, due to most manufacturers products being erratic at times. Unfortunately there is nothing Iron Clad in this hobby. These are my personal rough guidelines and they also serve to limit and guide my collecting. It is working our very well for me, I am doing a lot of selling and some buying as of late to tighten up my collection. Alex

 

[OzDigger]

I'm also selling off some excess models which is why I'll most likely brush on some light pigment rather than use a wash just in case I decide to sell my KT at a later date. That isn't likely atm but I do have a history of changing my collecting theme.

As for the size/scale issue. I truly don't understand why there is so much variation, but on the plus side I have saved thousands of dollars over the past Two years or so, partly because I refuse to buy items that don't match in size.

 

[Firebat]

I'm also selling off some excess models which is why I'll most likely brush on some light pigment rather than use a wash just in case I decide to sell my KT at a later date. That isn't likely atm but I do have a history of changing my collecting theme.

As for the size/scale issue. I truly don't understand why there is so much variation, but on the plus side I have saved thousands of dollars over the past Two years or so, partly because I refuse to buy items that don't match in size.

Yes AK Interactive among other manufacturers have great pigments also.

Same here on the collecting habits, it can be a blessing in disguise. Once you get into the scale / size / proportion thing there is no turning back. I see it immediately when a scene is not properly scaled. That is the one thing I have to give to FL their figures and AFV's for the most part are a perfect match, but you pay dearly for that.

You should check out the requirements for joining our orginization, which is on my website. We dont have a member from Down Under yet :wink2:

 

[Mitch]

Alex...

You seem to be talking as if every CS release is 1/28th that is just not the case. The Tiger I is the only one however that I have heard them say was made specifically to make the troops look smaller!!!!

I did not see much in the Konigstiger that made it look bigger than the K&C BBG version. Making an AFV bigger but keeping it written as 1/30th is a rather confusing way to make them fit larger figures which sit on large bases.

Not sure if that comes from true collector, collector modeller, true modeller converter or painter et al????
Mitch

 

[Firebat]

Alex...

You seem to be talking as if every CS release is 1/28th that is just not the case. The Tiger I is the only one however that I have heard them say was made specifically to make the troops look smaller!!!!

I did not see much in the Konigstiger that made it look bigger than the K&C BBG version. Making an AFV bigger but keeping it written as 1/30th is a rather confusing way to make them fit larger figures which sit on large bases.

Not sure if that comes from true collector, collector modeller, true modeller converter or painter et al????
Mitch

Yes confusing but it works. Off the top of my head I find all of TCS's later products that I have to be bigger than the rest of the manufacturers. Tiger I, Tiger II, Raupenschlepper, Shermans and NEW Stewart ( The Biggest actually can be used with their own figures, doing a dio now with it )

You decide which category you fit in. I know exactly where I am at.

 

[OzDigger]

Yes confusing but it works. Off the top of my head I find all of TCS's later products that I have to be bigger than the rest of the manufacturers. Tiger I, Tiger II, Raupenschlepper, Shermans and NEW Stewart ( The Biggest actually can be used with their own figures, doing a dio now with it )

You decide which category you fit in. I know exactly where I am at.

TCS is like every other TS company, the sizes of their vehicles and figures do vary despite what the respective owners assert. BTW I don't agree with those that claim the larger 1/30 figures from say TCS, TGM and K & C are 1/28 scale figures, they are just larger soldiers in 1/30 scale ^&grin

Here's some of my BIG guys with their BIG gun. I don't need to get a ruler out to check if they are the correct 1/30 scale, I just know they go well together. If other forum members reckon they have the only true 1/30 scale figures, well good luck to you dudes and happy collecting :salute::

 

[OzDigger]

Yes AK Interactive among other manufacturers have great pigments also.

Same here on the collecting habits, it can be a blessing in disguise. Once you get into the scale / size / proportion thing there is no turning back. I see it immediately when a scene is not properly scaled. That is the one thing I have to give to FL their figures and AFV's for the most part are a perfect match, but you pay dearly for that.

You should check out the requirements for joining our orginization, which is on my website. We dont have a member from Down Under yet :wink2:

Thanks Alex, I decided to make do with talcum powder for now. I used to use chalk for temporary weathering and Winterizing but found that talcum powder was finer and more convenient to use.