N.f.l. 2012 (3 Viewers)

NFL Network is reporting that in the SB era, teams with 4 + TOs are 21-133. However, I think the game is trending NOs way.
 
NFL Network is reporting that in the SB era, teams with 4 + TOs are 21-133. However, I think the game is trending NOs way.

You cannot keep making TOs and expect to win. But for the TOs the Saints would be in control. The Saints D is just killing the SF O line.
 
SF offense looks pretty weak. As Brad said, Saints winning this game if not for TO's. SF just broke a long run as I write this. About time they movd the ball. Brees has 50 pass attempts, so far, while the 49er's have only 50 total offensive plays. Akers kicks the FG, but a 6 point lead could easily turn into a one point loss the way Brees is going. SF's D-line has to keep the pressure on Brees as NO is only 3 of 12 on third downs. Still a one TD game, right up Brees' alley. Getting interesting. -- Al
 
SF offense looks pretty weak. As Brad said, Saints winning this game if not for TO's. SF just broke a long run as I write this. About time they movd the ball. Brees has 50 pass attempts, so far, while the 49er's have only 50 total offensive plays. Akers kicks the FG, but a 6 point lead could easily turn into a one point loss the way Brees is going. SF's D-line has to keep the pressure on Brees as NO is only 3 of 12 on third downs. Still a one TD game, right up Brees' alley. Getting interesting. -- Al
SF's defense has let them down. Brees does this all the time. But here comes SF with a big play. A VERY entertaining game. Headed for OT, or so it seems. :D Scratch that OT thing. SF wins. What fun that was, unless you are a fan of defense. Almost 900 yards total O between the two teams. -- Al
 
Fabulous game in the end and Alex Smith really came through. I picked the Niners by three and was not wrong. Saints scored more than I predicted but in the end they couldn't win on grass.
 
Fabulous game in the end and Alex Smith really came through. I picked the Niners by three and was not wrong. Saints scored more than I predicted but in the end they couldn't win on grass.

Brad...SF was getting 3...but great pick...I had NO -3...SF's secondary played great...fantastic game...hope the second one tonight is as good...
 
Tom Terrific (apologies to Seaver fans) has put the game away. Hard to see how Tebow Time is going to even make an appearence. About what I figured. Denver needs to be practicing it's "No Mas, No Mas" plea. -- Al
 
From what I've been told, all of this Tebow talk is not sitting well with Brady, expect a monster effort from him in less than 23 hours from now.

Well my source was correct, Brady was a man on a mission tonight, I think he had enough of all the Tebow talk.

Baltimore/Houston; one of you is on deck.
 
What a day, great first game but as has been said, turnovers were the key, but taking nothing away, Alex Smith stepped up, nice to see that happen for him.

Onto more important topics.........Gentleman, turn the lights off, lock the doors..............the Second Coming has left the building........................or never arrived. Way to go Tom Brady, what a terrific finish to the day, it could not have gone more to script. Let's see what the overblown windbags in the press have to say about Tebow now. A weaker than normal Pats defense showed the league exactly what skills this guy has. Bend but don't break, just good solid pressure and zone coverage defense. Simple solution yet our wizard (who I love) in Pittsburgh last week outcoached himself.

Anyhow, I say Good night and good riddance to the T sensation. Welcome to the NFL and reality.

Happy Camper in Maryland. Alright Sammy, now Go Ravens!

TD
 
As I have said since he first burst on the scene after the Miami game, Tebow is just a gimmick player. The Steelers postponed the inevitable by one week by failing to show up, but it is evident that you cannot win consistently in this league with an option quarterback, no matter how good he is at running the triple option. The Chiefs completely shut him down the second time they saw him, the Patriots shut him down the second time they saw him. Denver will start him for the first couple of weeks next season, lose, and replace him. Tebow time is over.

The Saints are now 0-5 in outdoor playoff games in the history of the franchise. If the Saints do not clinch home field throughout the playoffs, they have no chance of winning a Superbowl, if they get home field, they have nearly a 100% chance of winning it all. In the History of the NFL, no dome team has ever won an NFC or AFC championship game outside. At some point, doesn't his tell the league that domed stadiums are a stupid idea for a game like football, meant to be played in the elements?

You want my crazy but true prediction? If the Giants manage to win today (again, a very big if, the Packers should win) the Giants will win the Superbowl. Other than the Packers, the Giants are better at this point in the season than the 49ers and the Ravens, the teams I see them playing if they advance.
 
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One more point about my pet peave, the b.s. "defenseless receiver" rule. It ended up not mattering, because of an excellent last minute drive by the 49ers, but did you see the last Saints touchdown to Graham? The 49ers safety had Graham lined up for a hit that would (probably) have separated him from the ball or (at the the very least) knocked him down at about the 40 yard line. The safety pulled up and tried (unsuccessfully) to reach around Graham's body and slap the ball loose, falling past him and taking himself out of the play. As a result, Graham was able to run pretty much unmolested the final 40 yards for the go ahead score with about 1:30 seconds remaining.

It is pretty clear to me that he pulled up because he knew he would have gotten flagged for an unnecessary roughness, defenseless receiver penalty. If Graham is defenseless, it is because his quarterback threw the ball where he had to jump and extend himself to catch it, and he decided to lay out for the ball knowing full well there was a safety closing over the top. I have a better "defenseless receiver" rule that will protect the players: how about the defensive player being allowed to two hand touch the receiver on his jersey if he goes up for one of these "defenseless receiver" catches, and if the defensive player is in a position to do it, the play is dead, the pass is declared incomplete, and the ball is placed at the spot of the last snap, with a loss of down. I know I am advocating two hand touch tongue in cheek, but that's basically what the rule does in favor of the offense. You can't hit the receiver to separate him from the ball, so he either makes the catch, or you get flagged for 15 yards and an automatic first down (plus fined $25,000 for the first offense, $50,000 for the second offense and suspended a game for the third offense).

I hate the new everything in favor of the passing offense rules, they are making the game ridiculous. In the first 75 years of the NFL, there was ONE 5,000 yard passing season, by Dan Marino in 1984. In the last 3 years, since the new rule changes started going into effect, there were FOUR 5,000 yard passing seasons (Drew Breeze, 2009, Drew Breeze, 2011, Tom Brady, 2011, and Matthew Stafford, 2011). Plus, Eli Manning missed 5,000 yards by 60 yards, and Aaron Rogers would have had 5,000 if he hadn't have sat out the final game. This is getting silly.
 
I didn't see much of the Pats game but after seeing the great 49er game I probably had little emotion left to watch it. Anyway, it went as I thought it would although I thought the Broncos would score another touchdown or so.

On today's game, the first game, the undercard, doesn't figure to be much of a game, something like 33-14 Ravens. I figure the Ravens will manhandle the QB like they manhandled Sanchez and Alex Smith (only two Ravens games I saw this year).

The piece de resistance, the Giants Packer game, will probably go the Packers way. I think the Giants have an excellent chance to win and they could win. The Packers, being at home, also have an excellent chance to win and probably will win. That is the difference between the teams: "could" and "probably will".

I think the jury is out on Tebow. Can he be a good NFL QB? Time will tell. He will probably have to ditch the option. Here's an interesting article from today's NY Times Fifth Down blog, Tebow's Unclear Future. An interesting excerpt from the article:


Of course, Tebow could improve, and if anybody can will it to happen through hard work, he’s an excellent candidate. But in his postgame comments, Tebow said he needed improvements in “fundamentals, understanding defenses, my reads, footwork, everything.” That’s a long list, and Elway, who knows a thing or two about quarterbacking, may eventually want a passer in his image.​
 
One more point about my pet peave, the b.s. "defenseless receiver" rule. It ended up not mattering, because of an excellent last minute drive by the 49ers, but did you see the last Saints touchdown to Graham? The 49ers safety had Graham lined up for a hit that would (probably) have separated him from the ball or (at the the very least) knocked him down at about the 40 yard line. The safety pulled up and tried (unsuccessfully) to reach around Graham's body and slap the ball loose, falling past him and taking himself out of the play. As a result, Graham was able to run pretty much unmolested the final 40 yards for the go ahead score with about 1:30 seconds remaining.

It is pretty clear to me that he pulled up because he knew he would have gotten flagged for an unnecessary roughness, defenseless receiver penalty. If Graham is defenseless, it is because his quarterback threw the ball where he had to jump and extend himself to catch it, and he decided to lay out for the ball knowing full well there was a safety closing over the top. I have a better "defenseless receiver" rule that will protect the players: how about the defensive player being allowed to two hand touch the receiver on his jersey if he goes up for one of these "defenseless receiver" catches, and if the defensive player is in a position to do it, the play is dead, the pass is declared incomplete, and the ball is placed at the spot of the last snap, with a loss of down. I know I am advocating two hand touch tongue in cheek, but that's basically what the rule does in favor of the offense. You can't hit the receiver to separate him from the ball, so he either makes the catch, or you get flagged for 15 yards and an automatic first down (plus fined $25,000 for the first offense, $50,000 for the second offense and suspended a game for the third offense).

I hate the new everything in favor of the passing offense rules, they are making the game ridiculous. In the first 75 years of the NFL, there was ONE 5,000 yard passing season, by Dan Marino in 1984. In the last 3 years, since the new rule changes started going into effect, there were FOUR 5,000 yard passing seasons (Drew Breeze, 2009, Drew Breeze, 2011, Tom Brady, 2011, and Matthew Stafford, 2011). Plus, Eli Manning missed 5,000 yards by 60 yards, and Aaron Rogers would have had 5,000 if he hadn't have sat out the final game. This is getting silly.
Thus the reason I advocate a new rule for the NFL: No more than 35 passes per game, per team. This would force a return to balanced offenses and give defenses a chance. I do, of course, realize that this suggstion is insane, but it was a realistic number back before the NFL went to the air more often and further than NASA. -- Al
 
I hate the new everything in favor of the passing offense rules, they are making the game ridiculous. In the first 75 years of the NFL, there was ONE 5,000 yard passing season, by Dan Marino in 1984. In the last 3 years, since the new rule changes started going into effect, there were FOUR 5,000 yard passing seasons (Drew Breeze, 2009, Drew Breeze, 2011, Tom Brady, 2011, and Matthew Stafford, 2011). Plus, Eli Manning missed 5,000 yards by 60 yards, and Aaron Rogers would have had 5,000 if he hadn't have sat out the final game. This is getting silly.

You can blame Polian and the Colts for todays version of the NFL; after the Patriots manhandled them in the 2004 AFC Championship game, Polian whined to the league and several rules where changed as a result, the main one being you can't touch a reciever after 5 yards from the LOS. The following year the Colts set all sorts of offensive records and came to New England again for the playoffs and scored a whopping 3 points in a 20-3 beat down.

So much for changing the rules..........
 
The reason Graham scored wasn't because of that rule but because nowadays instead of tackling the man, many defenders are trying to get the ball and become a hero. You see this all the time unfortunately. This is what happened on the play.

Considering the circumstances of the game -- loser go home and less than 1:50 or so left in the game -- you don't think the defender would risk the fifteen yarder and the fine that goes with it? That just defies logic.

Even the announcers were talking about this: he couldn't decide whether to tackle him or go for the ball. He made the latter decision and it nearly cost the team the game and maybe possibly the SB title.
 
The reason Graham scored wasn't because of that rule but because nowadays instead of tackling the man, many defenders are trying to get the ball and become a hero. You see this all the time unfortunately. This is what happened on the play.

Considering the circumstances of the game -- loser go home and less than 1:50 or so left in the game -- you don't think the defender would risk the fifteen yarder and the fine that goes with it? That just defies logic.

Even the announcers were talking about this: he couldn't decide whether to tackle him or go for the ball. He made the latter decision and it nearly cost the team the game and maybe possibly the SB title.

The announcers got it wrong. All of the analysts on the NFL network (two hall of fame players [Deon Sanders and Michael Irvin], a future hall of fame player [Kurt Warner], and a former NFL Head Coach) agreed that "this is the New NFL, you can't hit the receiver, so you have to go for the ball." The safety couldn't choose to hit the receiver, if he had he would have been flagged, probably for pass interference, certainly for unnecessary roughness, thus, his only option was to go for the ball. Its the way the NFL has been conditioning players to react all season. The few players who have refused to change their style of play, like Harrison, end up fined and suspended.
 
The announcers got it wrong. All of the analysts on the NFL network (two hall of fame players [Deon Sanders and Michael Irvin], a future hall of fame player [Kurt Warner], and a former NFL Head Coach) agreed that "this is the New NFL, you can't hit the receiver, so you have to go for the ball." The safety couldn't choose to hit the receiver, if he had he would have been flagged, probably for pass interference, certainly for unnecessary roughness, thus, his only option was to go for the ball. Its the way the NFL has been conditioning players to react all season. The few players who have refused to change their style of play, like Harrison, end up fined and suspended.



You're exactly right about the new NFL. It's become a joke. I thought the last 4 minutes of the SF-NO game was ridiculous. How do the Saints let the 49ers go 85 yards for a touchdown in one minute? I thought maybe they'd get a chance at a long field goal. The touchdown to Graham was a joke. It's almost impossible to play defense anymore. Also the tackling is horrendous. It doesn't look like great offense, it just looks like no defense at all. It's become too easy. They should just get rid of the offensive and defensive lines and just have 7 on 7 passing drills be the game. That's just about what it is now.
 
Looks like the Raven game is going to be a dogfight to the end. Big turnover on the muffed punt (what was the Houston player thinking?) to allow Baltimore to lead right now. Plus the "good" Flacco needs to show up and get into gear. -- Al
 
I was out doing errands for most of the first half but it's a lot closer than I thought it would be. Watching the Ravens O is like watching the Jets: very frustrating. I thought by now the game would be out of reach.
 
Ravens got a break in the form of forcing the turnovers, which won the game, but without them, Houston wins. Houston outplayed Baltimore and stifled the Raven offense and the "bad" Flacco. Ravens will have to do better or they may as well stay home against Tom Terrific and gang. Baltimore also made a horrible decision on the 4th and goal by going for it when they hadn't run worth a darn all day. The 3 points would have sealed the game. -- Al
 

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