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My recipe for the Super Bowl:
1) Don't watch a single second of the endless pregame show.
2) Don't watch any of the ridiculous, overblown halftime show.
3) Don't buy into the hype that the commercials are amusing. Mute them all except for the promo for that new show "Smash" which looked so bad that I had to watch no matter how many times they ran it. Like a car accident. Difficult to look away. I couldn't believe that was for real, but confirms that the end of western civilization can't come too soon.
4) Find something else to do between the 2nd and 4th quarter. Check the score once or twice.
5) Watch the last five minutes. Then turn the TV off before the post game marathon starts up.
1) Don't watch a single second of the endless pregame show.
2) Don't watch any of the ridiculous, overblown halftime show.
3) Don't buy into the hype that the commercials are amusing. Mute them all except for the promo for that new show "Smash" which looked so bad that I had to watch no matter how many times they ran it. Like a car accident. Difficult to look away. I couldn't believe that was for real, but confirms that the end of western civilization can't come too soon.
4) Find something else to do between the 2nd and 4th quarter. Check the score once or twice.
5) Watch the last five minutes. Then turn the TV off before the post game marathon starts up.
Just like to congratulate the NFC East again on their 12th Super Bowl Championship. This is far ahead of the 2nd place division, the AFC North, which has 7 wins. The NFC East also has the most SB appearences with 20. The AFC East is 2nd with 17. The NFC East is thus 12-8 in the SB while the AFC North is 7-4 and the AFC East is 6-11. So thank you to the Giants for upholding the honor of th NFC East.^&grin -- Al
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Al...I knew the NFC East has been strong over the years...I didn't realize they had been that dominant over the years...
Michael, your Cowboys lead with 5 wins, the Giants have 4, and my Redskins have 3. Only the Eagles, at 0-2, have failed to add to the glory of the NFC East, but at least they got to the game. Twelve 1st place finishes and eight 2nd place finishes is not to shabby a record for 46 total titles. -- Al
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First of all, I have to appologize to George. During the game last night, which I watched at a volunteer fire house with some firemen buddies of mine (those of you who attend the Symposium know my buddy Morgan Hoffman, and Chuck Karen (Evilchuck here in the forum) was there as well), I killed a bottle of Tyrconnell, my favorite single malt Irish Whiskey, and after the game was over I did a shot to celebrate, so I was a little the worse for the wine, and I did something I have never done before: I drunk dialed George. I remember enough of the conversation that I think I was inviting George to come to the Symposium, and we would drink whiskey and only talk about his Red Sox beating my Yankees in 2004, so I didn't actually gloat, but it was still not the right time to make that call. George, I was an @ss for calling you, and I'm sorry.
I also need to appologize to Tom Coughlin and Perry Fewell. As you who participated in this thread are aware, I thought the Giants would go 7-9 this season, miss the playoffs, and that Tom Coughlin had lost the team and needed to go. I, like a lot of Giants fans and most of the New York sports media, had my head up my you know what. Coughlin deserved better, and did an amazing job with a team decimated by injuries for most of the season, which got healthy, came together as a team, and got hot at the right time.
The New England Patriots played a tremendous game, and had Wes Welker caught a pass he catches 7 times out of 10 (it was thrown a little high and behind him, but had to be to avoid him being creamed by a closing safety), the Patriots win the game. After the game, Bill Belichick, whom the media loves to portray as a poor sport, came over to his long time friend and bitter rival Tom Coughlin, gave him a hug, and, according to Coughlin, said some beautiful and gracious things to him. Belichick demonstrated he is as good a man as he is a coach, and thay is saying something. Tom Brady, one of the best men in the NFL was also gracious in defeat, as befits one of the all time greats.
Eli Manning punched his ticket to the hall of fame, as did Tom Coughlin. Interestingly, if came out on talk radio this morning that Eli Manning audibled on every pass play on the final drive, reading the defense correctly and going to the receiver who drew only single coverage. On the big 38 yard pass to Manningham, Eli intended to throw the ball to Nicks or Cruz, who were lined up on the right side of the formation, but noticed as the ball was snapped that the Patriots defender had permitted Manningham an outside release (an absolutely no-no when you are running a two deep zone). Manning continued to look to the right to keep the safety from closing over the top, then threw a perfect pass to Manningham, who made a great catch.
The game was exciting, well coached, and the teams were very evenly matched. Had the Patriots won, I would have had no problem calling them champions, as they played and comported themselves in that fashion. The ball bounced the Giants way, the Giants receivers made the necessary catches, the Giants players (particularly Henry Hynoski and Chris Schnee, who recovered Giants fumbles by Nicks and Bradshaw) hustled and made plays. Despite their 9-7 record in the regular season, they played like champions. I am a very proud and very fortunate Giants fan who is taking his two kids to a parade tomorrow morning.
I also need to appologize to Tom Coughlin and Perry Fewell. As you who participated in this thread are aware, I thought the Giants would go 7-9 this season, miss the playoffs, and that Tom Coughlin had lost the team and needed to go. I, like a lot of Giants fans and most of the New York sports media, had my head up my you know what. Coughlin deserved better, and did an amazing job with a team decimated by injuries for most of the season, which got healthy, came together as a team, and got hot at the right time.
The New England Patriots played a tremendous game, and had Wes Welker caught a pass he catches 7 times out of 10 (it was thrown a little high and behind him, but had to be to avoid him being creamed by a closing safety), the Patriots win the game. After the game, Bill Belichick, whom the media loves to portray as a poor sport, came over to his long time friend and bitter rival Tom Coughlin, gave him a hug, and, according to Coughlin, said some beautiful and gracious things to him. Belichick demonstrated he is as good a man as he is a coach, and thay is saying something. Tom Brady, one of the best men in the NFL was also gracious in defeat, as befits one of the all time greats.
Eli Manning punched his ticket to the hall of fame, as did Tom Coughlin. Interestingly, if came out on talk radio this morning that Eli Manning audibled on every pass play on the final drive, reading the defense correctly and going to the receiver who drew only single coverage. On the big 38 yard pass to Manningham, Eli intended to throw the ball to Nicks or Cruz, who were lined up on the right side of the formation, but noticed as the ball was snapped that the Patriots defender had permitted Manningham an outside release (an absolutely no-no when you are running a two deep zone). Manning continued to look to the right to keep the safety from closing over the top, then threw a perfect pass to Manningham, who made a great catch.
The game was exciting, well coached, and the teams were very evenly matched. Had the Patriots won, I would have had no problem calling them champions, as they played and comported themselves in that fashion. The ball bounced the Giants way, the Giants receivers made the necessary catches, the Giants players (particularly Henry Hynoski and Chris Schnee, who recovered Giants fumbles by Nicks and Bradshaw) hustled and made plays. Despite their 9-7 record in the regular season, they played like champions. I am a very proud and very fortunate Giants fan who is taking his two kids to a parade tomorrow morning.
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Al...I think the mainstay of the NFC East teams has always been great defenses with solid quarterbacking...unfortunately...Romo is coupled with a defensive secondary that leaks like a seive...they will never be competitive with their secondary...
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So Giants fans- Parcells or Coughlin???
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That's a chicken or the egg kind of question. Coughlin cut his teeth on Parcells' staff (as did Bill Belichick). Parcells inherited an improving situation from Ray Perkins (who left the Giants to coach his alma mater, Alabama), with a very talented defense (they had hall of famer Harry Carson, all-pro linebacker Brad Van Pelt, all-pro defensive end George Martin, and had just drafted or were about to draft Hall of Fame linebacker Lawrence Taylor and all-pro linebacker Carl Banks) but big problems on offense (Phil Simms, the 1979 1st round pick was hurt and the team won only 2 games Parcells first season), and with the help of George Young as GM and Bill Belichick as defensive coordinator, he turned the sad-sack Giants of the 70's into a dominant force and 2-times Super Bowl champion in the 80's and early 90's. However, he waited until Bill Belichick, who should have replaced him after the 1990's Super Bowk XXV championship as head coach, left to coach the Cleveland Browns, before announcing his retirement, thereby saddling the Giants with Ray Handley (the running backs coach), one of the worst coaches in franchise history.
Tom Coughlin, on the other hand, arrived in New York alongside first-pick in the draft and best ever New-York QB Eli Manning. While he has never quite had the utterly dominant defensive talent that the Giants of the 80's had, he has, on the other hand, had very good defenses led by future Hall of Famer Michael Strahan, and all-pro linemen Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck and most recently Jason Pierre Paul, as well as with the exception of great Tight End Mark Bavaro, much better offensive talent (I take Eli over Simms, Tikki Barber and Earth Wind & Fire over Joe Morris and Otis Anderson, and Amani Toomer, Nicks, Manningham and Cruz over Steven Baker and Phil McKonkey). Also, because Giants fans got a bit spoiled by the team's success under Parcells (who, because he followed 18+ years of utter futility, had a very long leash), Coughlin has taken a lot of (mostly underserved) abuse by Giants fans (myself included).
Right now, I think Parcells still has the edge among most Giants fans, but (perhaps out of guilt for calling for his firing) I am warming up to Coughlin. Let him win one more title, and he will definitely supplant Parcells in my heart.
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Just to echo what some of you have said; at the end of the day, it's sports, not life or death. That said, I slept about an hour last night, tossing and turning, tossing and turning, replaying the game in my mind over and over.
And for what?
At this point, I need to get a life and say goodbye to sports, I've got way too much invested in something that should not mean as much to me.
2008 and ruining the perfect season was bad enough, THIS was worse.
WAY worse.
Up 17-9 despite a boneheaded safety (a call that is NOT made in that situation 99 times out of 100, but leave it to that moron Parry ten minutes after the play to call it) and recovering a fumble but having too many men on the field, thus allowing the drive to continue and the Giants to score, the Patriots went into a moronic prevent offense, allowing the Giants to get right back into the game.
Then a wide open/soon to be free agent demanding 14 million a year/sure handed/catches everything thrown his way/Wes Welker drops a pass that would have iced the game, thus forcing the Patriots to punt the ball back to the Giants with 4:00 remaining.
At that point, it was over; I knew it, you knew it, my girlfriend who knows as much about sports as I do makeup knew it, game over, Eli marches them down the field aided by YET ANOTHER @#$%ING MIRACLE CATCH to score the game winning TD.
Ballgame.
Super Bowl Champs, New York Football Giants.
Wonderful.
Just wonderful.
Being a long time sports fan, championships take teams with talent, coaching and luck thrown in there too.
The Giants had all of that.
The Patriots forced three fumbles, one was called back and two others recoved by the Giants, one by some ham and egger fullback I've never heard of before; but hey, in 2008 I had never heard of David Tyree either; nice of the Giants to have him on the sidelines yesterday too, that was really, really swell.
Funny how they ran their mouths from the second they got off the plane and won the game; great example that sets for kids. And the whole "Win it for Myra" thing too; would have been a fairy tale ending for the team and Mr Kraft, I feel for the man, losing his wife to Cancer and now seeing the season end like that.
Oh and they should throw that dirty, cheap shot POS Bernard Pollard a few bucks too; him blowing out Gronkowski's ankle was HUGE for the Giants yesterday, he had two measly catches and was a non factor all game long.
So I guess the powerhouse all world Giants should now go 16-0 next year and win another Super Bowl; either that, or they'll start out 0-4 and fire Coughlin.
Now the Patriots and Bills are tied for the most Super Bowl losses with 4 and it's safe to say the whole Brady/BB great clutch QB and all world coach are nothing but a myth at this point, twice losing to the Giants in the Super Bowl.
And Louis as far as you drunk dialing me, that was perfect timing as I was trying to console my friends son who is a freshman at UConn and was dreading going back to school and getting harassed by Giants fans who he said were riding him all week long and he just kept his mouth shut hoping he could repay them in kind today, now the poor kid is back at school probably getting dumped all over by those kids, so again, you're timing was not very good.
But hey, all's fair in sports and war.
And for what?
At this point, I need to get a life and say goodbye to sports, I've got way too much invested in something that should not mean as much to me.
2008 and ruining the perfect season was bad enough, THIS was worse.
WAY worse.
Up 17-9 despite a boneheaded safety (a call that is NOT made in that situation 99 times out of 100, but leave it to that moron Parry ten minutes after the play to call it) and recovering a fumble but having too many men on the field, thus allowing the drive to continue and the Giants to score, the Patriots went into a moronic prevent offense, allowing the Giants to get right back into the game.
Then a wide open/soon to be free agent demanding 14 million a year/sure handed/catches everything thrown his way/Wes Welker drops a pass that would have iced the game, thus forcing the Patriots to punt the ball back to the Giants with 4:00 remaining.
At that point, it was over; I knew it, you knew it, my girlfriend who knows as much about sports as I do makeup knew it, game over, Eli marches them down the field aided by YET ANOTHER @#$%ING MIRACLE CATCH to score the game winning TD.
Ballgame.
Super Bowl Champs, New York Football Giants.
Wonderful.
Just wonderful.
Being a long time sports fan, championships take teams with talent, coaching and luck thrown in there too.
The Giants had all of that.
The Patriots forced three fumbles, one was called back and two others recoved by the Giants, one by some ham and egger fullback I've never heard of before; but hey, in 2008 I had never heard of David Tyree either; nice of the Giants to have him on the sidelines yesterday too, that was really, really swell.
Funny how they ran their mouths from the second they got off the plane and won the game; great example that sets for kids. And the whole "Win it for Myra" thing too; would have been a fairy tale ending for the team and Mr Kraft, I feel for the man, losing his wife to Cancer and now seeing the season end like that.
Oh and they should throw that dirty, cheap shot POS Bernard Pollard a few bucks too; him blowing out Gronkowski's ankle was HUGE for the Giants yesterday, he had two measly catches and was a non factor all game long.
So I guess the powerhouse all world Giants should now go 16-0 next year and win another Super Bowl; either that, or they'll start out 0-4 and fire Coughlin.
Now the Patriots and Bills are tied for the most Super Bowl losses with 4 and it's safe to say the whole Brady/BB great clutch QB and all world coach are nothing but a myth at this point, twice losing to the Giants in the Super Bowl.
And Louis as far as you drunk dialing me, that was perfect timing as I was trying to console my friends son who is a freshman at UConn and was dreading going back to school and getting harassed by Giants fans who he said were riding him all week long and he just kept his mouth shut hoping he could repay them in kind today, now the poor kid is back at school probably getting dumped all over by those kids, so again, you're timing was not very good.
But hey, all's fair in sports and war.
Tough question, but as an outsider, I think Coughlin has achieved his to SB titles with less, talent wise, than Parcells did. I know Parcells is a Giants legend, but Coughlin has done pretty well. -- Al
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That is why I've come to loathe the Giants: because of their fans -- and this from a person who use to root for both football teams in town equally. I'll take Yankee fans any day.
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You have to live here to appreciate it. Here's a good reason why: the afternoon host on WFAN, which is the number one sports station, in NY is an unabashed Giants fan but should maintain a small sliver of objectivity. He doesn't get along with Jets management and vice versa. I just turned on the radio for a second and happened to catch his latest pronouncement: "Jets should just be quiet and get lost." That's fairly typical for many Giant fans. So there is your answer.
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Anytime you have rival fanbases in close proximity there is a good chance that a few loud obnoxious fans will get out of hand. I was at the Jets/Giants Christmas Eve game with two of my wife's female friends and their nephews (both 8 years old), and a drunken Jets fan behind us was spewing profanities at the Giants and the referees. On Christmas eve. While there were at least a dozen children and quite a few women present. Sadly, I have been present for similar displays at Yankees-Mets games, Islanders-Rangers games, and Yankees-Red Sox games. Maybe its time people tried to put the sportsmanship back in sports.
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Or they should come to Minnesota {sm4}
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Anyone who thinks the Patriots are not one of the premier franchises in any sport at any point in time in history are just crazy. I thought the key to them winning was shutting down Cruz- which they did, but as you said George, there is an element of luck and simply the X Factor that happens in all sports- two fumbles by Giants, dropped passes- sometimes it just happens. Hey George, take it from me being a Dallas fan, you will miss these days immensely- like I do the 1990's and my boys running havoc over everyone- Aikman to Novacek, Smith up the middle, Haley busting up Young, those were my days. {sm4}
The thing I give the Giants credit for as an organization- they know how to identify talent and really bring it out. I think that might be a hallmark from Parcells days that rubbed off on the organization (and Bellicheck as well). I do like Coughlin a lot as well as Parcells.
I wonder if this NYG team might set a new precendent for the NFL- I have heard discussions about the potential for 2 new teams, which makes me wonder if the watered down talent might continue as a trend and we start watching teams coast/ hold on during the season, keep their guys healthy and then run and gun in the playoffs- this 9-7 superbowl champions might be a new pattern for a lot of teams to eumulate. I've watched so many teams play so hard to win so many games and it makes you wonder how much extra wear and tear these athletes have to endure- might make more sense to simply get into the playoffs and then really turn it on. Seems like the NYG have done that twice now in 4 years.
The thing I give the Giants credit for as an organization- they know how to identify talent and really bring it out. I think that might be a hallmark from Parcells days that rubbed off on the organization (and Bellicheck as well). I do like Coughlin a lot as well as Parcells.
I wonder if this NYG team might set a new precendent for the NFL- I have heard discussions about the potential for 2 new teams, which makes me wonder if the watered down talent might continue as a trend and we start watching teams coast/ hold on during the season, keep their guys healthy and then run and gun in the playoffs- this 9-7 superbowl champions might be a new pattern for a lot of teams to eumulate. I've watched so many teams play so hard to win so many games and it makes you wonder how much extra wear and tear these athletes have to endure- might make more sense to simply get into the playoffs and then really turn it on. Seems like the NYG have done that twice now in 4 years.
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Great points Chris; when Brady and BB are gone, I'll be missing these days, 5 trips to the Super Bowl in 10 years in the free agency era, will likely never see anything like this again around here.
Welker is getting killed on sports talk radio today and rightly so, he cost himself a ton of dough with that drop.
They are also talking about all the Gronkowski stuff was a ploy by the Patriots to make the Giants think he was ok, he had the walking boot on again getting off the bus on Sunday, he was a shell of himself during the game, another gigantic break the Giants caught as he's a monster to try to defend.
Another thing being discussed is the boneheaded play calling towards the end by the Giants; why in the name of God are you handing the ball off twice when all you had to do was take a knee twice, make the Patriots burn their time outs, kick what amounted to an extra point and take the lead with virtually no time left on the clock; imagine if Bradshaw fumbled there as he already fumbled once in the game.
Or better yet, if that hail mary was complete and you lost the game on the last play.
Imagine if Eli wins another Super Bowl; they'll be comparing him, not Brady, to Joe Montana.
Makes me want to puke.
Welker is getting killed on sports talk radio today and rightly so, he cost himself a ton of dough with that drop.
They are also talking about all the Gronkowski stuff was a ploy by the Patriots to make the Giants think he was ok, he had the walking boot on again getting off the bus on Sunday, he was a shell of himself during the game, another gigantic break the Giants caught as he's a monster to try to defend.
Another thing being discussed is the boneheaded play calling towards the end by the Giants; why in the name of God are you handing the ball off twice when all you had to do was take a knee twice, make the Patriots burn their time outs, kick what amounted to an extra point and take the lead with virtually no time left on the clock; imagine if Bradshaw fumbled there as he already fumbled once in the game.
Or better yet, if that hail mary was complete and you lost the game on the last play.
Imagine if Eli wins another Super Bowl; they'll be comparing him, not Brady, to Joe Montana.
Makes me want to puke.
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I took both my children, Alec (6) and Ashley (4) to the Giants parade today. My friend Paul's office at 61 Broadway overlooks the parade route, and he was kind enough to allow my children and I to join him and his family and friends at his office for the parade. I have been to the parade at the end of the Gulf War, one previous Giants (2007) and 4 previous Yankees (1996, 1998, 2000, 2009) parades, but always at ground level along the parade route. This time I was above, throwing confetti (he had his staff shred a couple of garbage pails full of blue and white paper for the kids to throw out the windows), taking it all in. It was amazing to see so many happy people in lower Manhattan, commemorating a joyous occasion instead of a tragic one (my last big event in lower Manhattan was the 10th anniversary of 9/11). I took the kids down to get a close up look at the parade for a few minutes, and was lucky enough to see Eli Manning and the Lombardi Trophy go by. I took my son to the Yankees parade in 2009, and now, at 6, he has enjoyed a ticker tape parade for each of his favorite teams. As we were leaving, a gentleman from the daily news giving out commemorative posters was kind enough to give one to each of my children, which will be hung in each of their rooms so they can remember this wonderful day.:smile2: