N.F.L. Season 2018-19 (3 Viewers)

jazzeum said:
Mike, that may all be true but in a 54-51 game you can't really say there was much defense.
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Also 900 yards of offense. When the ball goes up 95 times in a game, there are bound to be some turn-overs related to that, such as interceptions and sacks with fumbles. Nature of the beast, but not what I would define as true defense. Pin-ball football at it's best/worst. -- Al
 
mikemiller1955 said:
Brad...

you can skew it anyway you want...
but the stats don't lie...
those are facts...

you have 2 QB's with strong accurate arms...
coupled with a host of receivers that can get separation......

the running game was held in check by both teams...

their passing games...
that's what they do...
they go deep with consistency a lot...

they are having a debate segment on ESPN right now over the idea of...
were the fans treated to an excellent offensive performance or did they witness no defense in last night's game...

the hosts have good arguments on either side...
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Not sure I would say the running game was held in check. There were only 41 combined running plays in the game and 10 of those were by the Qb's, so only 31 touches by the RB's, combined, for a 4.2 average combined per carry. Not too bad for a running game. KC averaged a very good 4.9 yards per carry. The running games weren't so much held in check as just ignored. It's just a different game these days. -- Al
 
The media spin on the game is that this is the future of the NFL. Basically a high scoring, video game style of play. More appeal to the younger generation. It was fun to watch but a different game from old school football. The athletes are such now that the offense can't be stopped when a team has the system and players. Not just a matter of the silly penalties but the game is so fast that no D can cover five receivers. You can't blitz these QBs because their release is so quick you get burned in a one on one situation that is going to result in a big play more often than not. And the Rams even lost one of their top receivers to injuries for the season.
 
Combat said:
The media spin on the game is that this is the future of the NFL. Basically a high scoring, video game style of play. More appeal to the younger generation. It was fun to watch but a different game from old school football. The athletes are such now that the offense can't be stopped when a team has the system and players. Not just a matter of the silly penalties but the game is so fast that no D can cover five receivers. You can't blitz these QBs because their release is so quick you get burned in a one on one situation that is going to result in a big play more often than not. And the Rams even lost one of their top receivers to injuries for the season.
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Yep. I'm afraid many of us are no longer in the target demographic, so our dollars don't count as much. The advertising dollar is king and will remain so and the 'baby boomers' among us have just aged out of being important to the advertisers. Too bad, because the changes in the game to make it more appealing to the younger generations have completely killed what I found to be the most interesting aspects of football, such as the strategy of a well executed running attack, complimented by the surprise downfield strike and the resulting defensive chess game, trying to outguess the offense. No guessing in today's game as the defense (and everyone else) always knows what is coming, a non-stop dink and doink passing attack complimented by the occasional downfield pass. Perhaps, one day, the viewers that matter (those in the target demographic) will tire of the same ol', same ol', and the NFL will rediscover real football with a balanced run/pass attack and a defense that hasn't had it's hands tied by ridiculous pro-offense rules. Perhaps. -- Al
 
Al...
the physicality of the game is slowly being removed...
smash mouth football is a thing of the past...
you can't hit them high...
you can't hit them low...
you can't lead with your helmet...
you can't fall on them with your full weight...
you can't hit a defenseless player...
it favors the offense...

high scoring games are the future of the NFL...

still...
if you told either defensive coordinator that they could hold both Hunt and Gurley to 70 and 55 yards respectively...
they would consider it a huge defensive success...
 
lancer said:
Yep. I'm afraid many of us are no longer in the target demographic, so our dollars don't count as much. The advertising dollar is king and will remain so and the 'baby boomers' among us have just aged out of being important to the advertisers. Too bad, because the changes in the game to make it more appealing to the younger generations have completely killed what I found to be the most interesting aspects of football, such as the strategy of a well executed running attack, complimented by the surprise downfield strike and the resulting defensive chess game, trying to outguess the offense. No guessing in today's game as the defense (and everyone else) always knows what is coming, a non-stop dink and doink passing attack complimented by the occasional downfield pass. Perhaps, one day, the viewers that matter (those in the target demographic) will tire of the same ol', same ol', and the NFL will rediscover real football with a balanced run/pass attack and a defense that hasn't had it's hands tied by ridiculous pro-offense rules. Perhaps. -- Al
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I agree, but can't blame the NFL. Unlike MLB which has effectively allowed the game to die a slow death, the NFL is trying to garner a modern audience. Faster and higher scoring games appear to be the way. There doesn't appear to be any tactical answer from the defense. They simply can't cover all the fast modern athletes in the passing attack. Just hope to break serve at some point by sitting back in zone and hoping for a mistake. Don't give up the home run. Make the opposition drive the field and run as many plays as possible. Maybe get a sack or turnover at some point. The game eventually comes down to who can score last.
 
I’m generally with Al but agree with Mike and Doug that is the future. It’s the Madden video game come to life. My son said it was like playing Madden, except that he makes his team the 49ers the best team so he can win 100-3 or something like that. We now have the Madden generation and this is what they apparently want.
 
Did anyone see the 60 minutes piece on Tim Green? Very disturbing. We just can’t have human beings subjecting their bodies to that kind of punishment. Its just too gladiator like. The crowd will roar for more blood and pain. Meanwhile the participants sacrifice their future for the crowds approval. Sure, one can dismiss the dangers, but to do so from the couch seems a lot more than callous, it seems almost barbaric. Sorry but we can’t allow a sport to thrive because it satiates the mobs blood lust.
 
lancer said:
Terrible coincidence story: Redskins Qb Alex Smith suffered a broken leg (tibia/fibula fracture) in today's game. It is the same injury suffered by Redskin Qb Joe Theismann 33 years ago to this very date. The injury ended Theismann's career. -- Al
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I wish Smith nothing but the best.

They guy was the epitome of class in SF. When he got a concussion and lost his starting job to Kaepernick he never complained. He told the press that he didn't want to talk about himself, the team and winning is what mattered.

I am not alone in this, Chiefs and Redskins fans can also attest to his class both on and off the field.
 
Rutledge said:
Did anyone see the 60 minutes piece on Tim Green? Very disturbing. We just can’t have human beings subjecting their bodies to that kind of punishment. Its just too gladiator like. The crowd will roar for more blood and pain. Meanwhile the participants sacrifice their future for the crowds approval. Sure, one can dismiss the dangers, but to do so from the couch seems a lot more than callous, it seems almost barbaric. Sorry but we can’t allow a sport to thrive because it satiates the mobs blood lust.
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I did see it and it is tragic and it also points to the very real problem that the NFL must deal with, the CTI/ALS scandel. If my boys were of an age to begin playing football today, knowing what has been revealed over the past decade, there is no way I let them near a tackle football game as players. No way is the game worth the risk to their health. -- Al
 
jrsteel said:
The Monday Night Football announcing crew is absolutely horrible. Witten and McFarland have the excuse that they're ex players and this is their first year announcing. But Joe Tessitore is supposed to be a professional broadcaster. He was trying way too hard to hype the game. His constant screaming was annoying as hell. He belongs on pro wrestling not football. Everyone praises Vin Scully and Pat Summerall as the gold standard of broadcasting but announcers now do everything the exact opposite of those guys.
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Great post; Tessitore is horrible, it's like someone's drunk Dad doing a Gus Johnson impression, he's God awful.

I am convinced he literally **** his pants five times last night.

Dial it down a couple of notches.

And I can understand every other word McFarland says, it's the audio from that moronic perch he sits in high above the field, too much background noise as he tries to make a point.
 
Combat said:
The media spin on the game is that this is the future of the NFL. Basically a high scoring, video game style of play. More appeal to the younger generation. It was fun to watch but a different game from old school football. The athletes are such now that the offense can't be stopped when a team has the system and players. Not just a matter of the silly penalties but the game is so fast that no D can cover five receivers. You can't blitz these QBs because their release is so quick you get burned in a one on one situation that is going to result in a big play more often than not. And the Rams even lost one of their top receivers to injuries for the season.
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I in no way, shape or form am advocating for these guys to go out there and try to kill each other on Sunday, but to basically legislate defense out of the game is foolish; that penalty last night on the Rams defender was example #1, he tried to take out the Chef receiver's legs and the Chef lowered his head and their helmets collided, so the defender drew a penalty. There was another such penalty where the defender threw his shoulder into the receiver, but he got flagged for targeting a defenseless player.

That was a so called all star crew last night; for most of the night they were a tire fire, must have been part of the same crew that threw 900 flags in the second half of the Steelers/Jags game.

The games for me have come down to waiting until every big play is over for five minutes before I react; all I do is wait for the flag on a third down stop, a kick off or punt return, a TD or a first down.

I find it interesting that the NFL has changed the sport to attract the younger fantasy football crowd types and turned off the 40 and over crowd; you know, the crowd that made the sport what it is regarding popularity in this country.

So alienate the people who made it the sport that it is; yeah, that's always a good idea.
 
Warrior said:
I in no way, shape or form am advocating for these guys to go out there and try to kill each other on Sunday, but to basically legislate defense out of the game is foolish; that penalty last night on the Rams defender was example #1, he tried to take out the Chef receiver's legs and the Chef lowered his head and their helmets collided, so the defender drew a penalty. There was another such penalty where the defender threw his shoulder into the receiver, but he got flagged for targeting a defenseless player.

That was a so called all star crew last night; for most of the night they were a tire fire, must have been part of the same crew that threw 900 flags in the second half of the Steelers/Jags game.

The games for me have come down to waiting until every big play is over for five minutes before I react; all I do is wait for the flag on a third down stop, a kick off or punt return, a TD or a first down.

I find it interesting that the NFL has changed the sport to attract the younger fantasy football crowd types and turned off the 40 and over crowd; you know, the crowd that made the sport what it is regarding popularity in this country.

So alienate the people who made it the sport that it is; yeah, that's always a good idea.
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The one thing they didn't do much of last night. Those endless video reviews. Pretty amazing given all the action. I think the train has left the station on the penalties and over 40 crowd. That was apparently the highest rated MNF game in a long while. The media is buzzing about the game as maybe the greatest regular season game of all time. The NFL is loving it. Some rare good news after the dumpster fire of last season.
 
Warrior said:
Great post; Tessitore is horrible, it's like someone's drunk Dad doing a Gus Johnson impression, he's God awful.

I am convinced he literally **** his pants five times last night.

Dial it down a couple of notches.

And I can understand every other word McFarland says, it's the audio from that moronic perch he sits in high above the field, too much background noise as he tries to make a point.
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They need to bring back Sean McDonough. He was the best play by play guy ESPN ever had on Monday night football. He has a great voice, smooth delivery and he calls a neutral game.
 
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25342741/adrian-peterson-uses-belt-discipline-son

Sometimes you just have to keep your mouth shut...

I can't believe Peterson is still doing this or at least confessing to the public that he still does...
it's a new day and age in child rearing...
you can't do this anymore...

50-55 years ago...that was the norm...a common form of discipline...
I was spanked with a belt by my dad as a kid...so was my brother...
one or two swats on the ***...nothing brutal...
my sister was never spanked...ever...but she was a good kid...
me and my brother were screw ups...

and it wasn't that he capriciously whipped us cause he had a bad day...
or that he was a sadistic man that liked to beat children...
he was a compassionate loving man that I admired and respected my entire life...
he became my best friend as I got older...
but we did get some whippings because we were bad and did a lot of things we were told not to do...
and I deserved every single spanking I got...

and we didn't get beatings like Peterson's son did...
cuts and bruises all over the boy's body, including his buttocks and scrotum...
my dad would never hurt us like that...
we got spanked...we didn't get beaten...
again...we got a couple of swats on the *** when we screwed up...
and he never spanked us nearly as hard as he was capable of...
I honestly believed I needed discipline as a kid...
I was a screw up...always pushing the envelope...seeing what I could get away with...
if he ever said...
"this is gonna hurt me more than it hurts you"...
I would have believed it....
he got no pleasure from it...

Peterson almost ruined his career when this became public...
he was very lucky he was able to resume his NFL career...
spanking a child is old school...
not accepted anymore...period...

for him to brag to a reporter that he still spanks his children...
he must be really stupid...
Roger Goodell had admonished Peterson for not showing proper remorse for his conduct...
I wonder if he will get another suspension for admitting he still does this...
 
The teams playing today didn't get the memo about the new high octane NFL. Some ugly offenses at work.
 
I enjoyed the Bears game (inasmuch as I’m a Bears fan), not to mention it’s more like the games should be played.

My son and I were out doing errands yesterday and we talked about these high scoring games. I asked him if he preferred these high scoring games or something along 30-27. He said he liked games with a little defense. If every game was like the one on Monday night he said, it would be pretty boring.
 
mikemiller1955 said:
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25342741/adrian-peterson-uses-belt-discipline-son

Sometimes you just have to keep your mouth shut...

I can't believe Peterson is still doing this or at least confessing to the public that he still does...
it's a new day and age in child rearing...
you can't do this anymore...

50-55 years ago...that was the norm...a common form of discipline...
I was spanked with a belt by my dad as a kid...so was my brother...
one or two swats on the ***...nothing brutal...
my sister was never spanked...ever...but she was a good kid...
me and my brother were screw ups...

and it wasn't that he capriciously whipped us cause he had a bad day...
or that he was a sadistic man that liked to beat children...
he was a compassionate loving man that I admired and respected my entire life...
he became my best friend as I got older...
but we did get some whippings because we were bad and did a lot of things we were told not to do...
and I deserved every single spanking I got...

and we didn't get beatings like Peterson's son did...
cuts and bruises all over the boy's body, including his buttocks and scrotum...
my dad would never hurt us like that...
we got spanked...we didn't get beaten...
again...we got a couple of swats on the *** when we screwed up...
and he never spanked us nearly as hard as he was capable of...
I honestly believed I needed discipline as a kid...
I was a screw up...always pushing the envelope...seeing what I could get away with...
if he ever said...
"this is gonna hurt me more than it hurts you"...
I would have believed it....
he got no pleasure from it...

Peterson almost ruined his career when this became public...
he was very lucky he was able to resume his NFL career...
spanking a child is old school...
not accepted anymore...period...

for him to brag to a reporter that he still spanks his children...
he must be really stupid...
Roger Goodell had admonished Peterson for not showing proper remorse for his conduct...
I wonder if he will get another suspension for admitting he still does this...
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Adrian Peterson Could Face NFL Suspension After Admitting He Still Uses A Belt To Spank His Son

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-peterson-could-face-nfl-162423955.html
 
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